Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Cast Iron Pan]

It's gross that Neelix fucked ANYONE.

Him and Doctor Phlox would have made a believable gay couple.

 

[ditto]

I forgot about that, that actually makes a little more sense as to why they were so child-like. The diddler-vibes weren't from Kes' age (so she's 2 in space years -- how long is that on their planet, even?) it was from her appearing so damn innocent and child-like next to Neelix.

So now I'm wondering, did every Caretaker have such an ant farm?

Those Caretakers accidentally rendered the Ocampa planet surface inhospitable which is why they were providing for them. In my headcanon the Caretakers are just changleings that ventured too far into the Delta quadrant.

And then indefinitely barred from promotion by Janeway.

Harry Kim is not allowed to have sex. Starfleet rules.

When Tom gets promoted back to Lieutenant, Harry says nervously "I didn't notice a little box on my chair..". Unfortunately we don't get to see the reaction from the other senior staff.

In Janeway's defense when Harry is captain of the Nightingale he manages to screw that up pretty good.

 

[Judge Holden]

When Tom gets promoted back to Lieutenant, Harry says nervously "I didn't notice a little box on my chair..".

"You have a chair!? Tuvok, correct this oversight."

Joke shamelessly stolen from sfdebris

 

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"You have a chair!? Tuvok, correct this oversight."

I think the writer's really resented having to keep Garret Wang. He was supposed to be killed in Scorpion but he won sexiest man (!!!) so the powers that be kept him on. And so they got rid of Kes instead.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

I've asked what Star Wars would be like if it were just the 1977 movie. With that thought, what if Star Trek had remained just the 1960s original series (TOS)? How would things be different then?

Read a bunch of the 1960s and 1970s novels. The ones by James Blish are surprisingly good. You can also find scans of early fanzines online; I can find evidence of slash dating back to the 70s fanzines, with rumors that it was in the late 60s fanzines. Yes, yaoi girls have always wanted to watch Spock bang Kirk.

I think the writer's really resented having to keep Garret Wang. He was supposed to be killed in Scorpion but he won sexiest man (!!!) so the powers that be kept him on. And so they got rid of Kes instead.

Is he really that sexy, or did he blow the editors of People Magazine?

 

[Flexo]

Those Caretakers accidentally rendered the Ocampa planet surface inhospitable which is why they were providing for them. In my headcanon the Caretakers are just changleings that ventured too far into the Delta quadrant.

When Tom gets promoted back to Lieutenant, Harry says nervously "I didn't notice a little box on my chair..". Unfortunately we don't get to see the reaction from the other senior staff.

In Janeway's defense when Harry is captain of the Nightingale he manages to screw that up pretty good.

Or as SFDebris also pointed out, the future we see in "Endgame" (voyager's last episode)... isn't really that bad other than Tuvok crazy and 7 of 9 dead - but a lot of the crew had died at that point. So what is Janeway doing going back in time?

Harry Kim being a captain is the only explanation. She had to go get Voyager home early to ensure such a thing would never happen.

Is he really that sexy, or did he blow the editors of People Magazine?

He wasn't "sexiest" but was in the top 25 or 50 "sexiest" of the year.

 

[BIG BILL HELL'S]

I went digging through old TV Guide covers to see when Pothead Wang was named sexiest person of the year (or whatever), and I saw this, and, well, now you have to see it too.

Side note: I was surprised at how many times Star Trek was on the cover of TV Guide in those years (1993-1995); I didn't really remember that at all.

 

[Flexo]

I went digging through old TV Guide covers to see when Pothead Wang was named sexiest person of the year (or whatever), and I saw this, and, well, now you have to see it too.

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Side note: I was surprised at how many times Star Trek was on the cover of TV Guide in those years (1993-1995); I didn't really remember that at all.

Well I misread that subtitle there a few times.

Garratt wasn't on TV Guide - it was People magazine that saved him, btw.

 

[ditto]

I went digging through old TV Guide covers to see when Pothead Wang was named sexiest person of the year (or whatever), and I saw this, and, well, now you have to see it too.

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Side note: I was surprised at how many times Star Trek was on the cover of TV Guide in those years (1993-1995); I didn't really remember that at all.

And they're in a hammock

Or as SFDebris also pointed out, the future we see in "Endgame" (voyager's last episode)... isn't really that bad other than Tuvok crazy and 7 of 9 dead - but a lot of the crew had died at that point. So what is Janeway doing going back in time?

Harry Kim being a captain is the only explanation. She had to go get Voyager home early to ensure such a thing would never happen.


He wasn't "sexiest" but was in the top 25 or 50 "sexiest" of the year.

"50 Most Beautiful People"

Maybe it was supposed to be "50 Most Beautiful People who can't get a transporter lock.."

And it this thread wasn't horrifying enough :-

Spoiler: Fake News (I Hope)

 

[rabo]

I was kinda glad when they broke them up (Kes and Neelix) but it was done in such a weird way. Kes gets possessed by this other guy and this is when she dumps him. Then later she's saved and restored to herself yet they remain broken up from thereon.

I would have loved to see that conversation,
"Hi, Sweetest, um, when you broke up, you had that man inside you(kek) right?"
"Yes, Neelix."
"Um....Does that mean we didn't really break up?"
"Yeah, I dunno, it felt pretty official to me.Let's keep it that way for now and see how it works out?"
"H..Huh...Okay sure if that's what you want, sweetest."
"Okay, you probably don't wanna call me that anymore, anyhow I gotta go, I'm meeting Tom on the holodeck."
",,,,,,,,,,"

 

[Flexo]

I was kinda glad when they broke them up (Kes and Neelix) but it was done in such a weird way. Kes gets possessed by this other guy and this is when she dumps him. Then later she's saved and restored to herself yet they remain broken up from thereon.

I would have loved to see that conversation,
"Hi, Sweetest, um, when you broke up, you had that man inside you(kek) right?"
"Yes, Neelix."
"Um....Does that mean we didn't really break up?"
"Yeah, I dunno, it felt pretty official to me.Let's keep it that way for now and see how it works out?"
"H..Huh...Okay sure if that's what you want, sweetest."
"Okay, you probably don't wanna call me that anymore, anyhow I gotta go, I'm meeting Tom on the holodeck."
",,,,,,,,,,"

I was watching the Kes character analysis again and it brought up a good point that the Occampa apparently had a strict culture of monogamy (which makes sense - you breed once in 9 years you've got no time to shop around) so she might have cultural habit to stick with Neelix. When the possession broke things up, that gave her the excuse to explore things romantically.

But yes I wanted to see that scene too.

 

[ditto]

Just saw the episode where Neelix fucks a Klingon in Tuvok's quarters.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Just saw the episode where Neelix fucks a Klingon in Tuvok's quarters.

Tuvok? more like Tucuk

 

[rabo]

I wanna see a Benny Hill style sketch between Neelix and Tuvok!

 

[ZMOT]

I think the writer's really resented having to keep Garret Wang. He was supposed to be killed in Scorpion but he won sexiest man (!!!) so the powers that be kept him on. And so they got rid of Kes instead.

the writers and people in charge resented everyone who could possibly figure out they were shit, which is voyager's biggest issue. half the crew goes nowhere and almost all their story potential is wasted (see chakotay). kim as a character had a lot more freedom for growth, considering he's starting out as the freshman/youngest member opposite an established senior cadre of officers, but it's never really touched upon besides the "forever-ensign" joke. there was a lot that could've been done story and character wise without going full wesley crusher.

kes really didn't go anywhere or could, which was always the biggest issue with her character right from the start. ocampa only work if don't think too hard about it and it would've been acceptable as a one-and-done race as plot device for the caretaker, but when they bring one along you constantly have to deal with the lazy/stupid race outline which of course affects the character too, like @The Gagh Whisperer said.

remember it's the same writers that brought in a con man as american native expert, and the ocampa stuff is the like a lot of other stuff they try to drop/get rid off once the smarter writers figured out it was retarded all things considered (like making neelix romantically involved with an ocampa, could've made him remind her of his sister or some other stuff, or simple protective instinct, for some easy to digest but story rich plots which are much easier to drop if they don't work out/don't wanna go there). still can't figure out if it was lazyness or just stupidity going with "they have to be a couple for some relationship drama!". just imagine if kes would've been written as the naive "fish out of water" evolving over the series, and it would even make fucking sense her being close to neelix since they're both outsiders to starfleet, there really never was any reason to pair them up right from the start besides "they're both aliens!" and "we want the soap audience".

kim later on works out once they put him as the straight man next to "hotheaded/juvenile" tom paris and pair them off against an even straighter tuvok and hijinks ensue, but up until that point they don't know what to do with him either (and when they do it's hardly noticeable, like kim trying to deal with the fact he's cut of from his family etc., lot of the more personal stuff got sidelined for the monster of the week ACTION&DRAMA!!).

while I don't think voyager is as bad as people say/remember, the parts where it's shit it's really shit (without any of the charm or enjoyment TNG managed to deliver).

It's gross that Neelix fucked ANYONE.
He likes having his whiskers pulled *shudders*

anyone going toe to toe with a race that considers biting your jaw off as casual foreplay has my respect, sadly they never showed how completely trashed tuvok's room was.
food for thought: if neelix is the kind of beast that can make a klingon make beg for more, what does that say about poor little kes considering neelix' taste in women?

You know there's an actual anime all about that?

"Interspecies Reviewer." I checked it out on a dare and am actually kind of embarrassed that this absolute trash show is doing more to examine how different species might boink than Star Trek ever did. i.e. The elf guy in the show is really into this 70-80 year old human woman. Since - you know - elves aren't even really adult until ~100, to him it's could be argued as pedophilia.

it's time to take the anime pill, where even the stupidest sounding plot is actually written in a competent and entertaining matter. a lot of robot stuff too!

 

[Flexo]

it's time to take the anime pill, where even the stupidest sounding plot is actually written in a competent and entertaining matter. a lot of robot stuff too!

Oh please. As if I would like anything animated.

 

[ZMOT]

Oh please. As if I would like anything animated.

what's the difference between lines and animated meat puppets?

 

[ditto]

Tuvok? more like Tucuk

Neelix won the Klingon by stealing her from Harry Kim. So as usual, it it's Harry Kuk

remember it's the same writers that brought in a con man as american native expert,

That explains why Chakotay's tribe is bascially scientology, right down to the "vision quest" e-meter and space alien prophets.

still can't figure out if it was lazyness or just stupidity going with "they have to be a couple for some relationship drama!".

It would have worked if Kes didn't appear so childlike, and Ethan Philips as an actor could say "sweetie" without sounding a total creep.
They ended up doing relationship drama pretty well with Tom and B'Ellana.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Neelix won the Klingon by stealing her from Harry Kim. So as usual, it it's Harry Kuk

Oh my god imagine being such a Soy-drinking bug man that a Klingon Woman chooses Neelix over you.

 

[ditto]

To anyone who suffered through Picard: Is it ever referenced that Icheb was bred specifically to infect the Borg with a pathogen coded into his DNA?

Very appalled to learn that Seven mercy-kills Icheb, especially since he saved her life in Voyager by donating his cortical node.