Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[EmuWarsVeteran]

STUPID ALERT: After california decides to pass law letting infected prisoners out of prison (supposedly to keep the prison to become an otbreak) the OBVIOUS happens a video is recorded of californian inmates passing around a supposedly infected bottle trying to get infected so they're left out!

 

[JosephStalin]

The man has a point here. Believe a two-week max lockdown would have worked. The present situation - political, verging on criminal.

Top Stanford Medical Scientist: Lockdowns Are a Big Error

Robert Wenzel

www.economicpolicyjournal.com

EconomicPolicyJournal.com: Top Stanford Medical Scientist: Lockdowns …

archived 12 May 2020 17:17:50 UTC

archive.vn

Another op-ed in the same vein, a little older.

The data is in — stop the panic and end the total isolation

Americans are now desperate for sensible policymakers who have the courage to ignore the panic and rely on facts.

thehill.com

https://archive.vn/69jlO

 

[FatalTater]

Has anyone checked in on the Amish communities lately? I haven't heard much about how they're coping with this.

 

[Stoneheart]

some news from germany, the lock down is pretty much done, people are grilling everywhere, some people played football in the park, etc.
i doubt merkel will have the political power to keep this up for much longer. we will drop below 10k active cases end of this week or start of next week.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

We’re leading the country in both unemployment rate and percentage of deaths coming from nursing homes.

About three weeks back we tested everyone in LTCs and started moving positive cases to the hospital.

It was a good move.

 

[Shaka Brah]

Given that even counting NYC and bloating the death count literally as much as humanly possible they can only get the death count to 1k a day nationwide, there's no excuse for a lockdown anywhere anymore.

20k infected, 800 dead, 16k recovered? Sorry. but the outbreak panic is just done. It makes me wonder how many states have only a handful or zero deaths yesterday.

Most of the rural states have less than 20 deaths total. Hawaii, shockingly, also has less than 20 despite major contact with Asia. This really is not looking like what was projected by the "experts."

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

MedCram did a video on N-Acetylcysteine (NAC) . It seems like NAC might reduce the seriousness of COVID infections.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr_6w-WPr0w

https://archive.vn/R7PzL

Has anyone checked in on the Amish communities lately? I haven't heard much about how they're coping with this.

If they stay away from 'the English' they'll probably be fine.

 

[Smug Chuckler]

Has anyone checked in on the Amish communities lately? I haven't heard much about how they're coping with this.

Dude they think soap is the devil, Coronachan isn't gonna infect people who fall into horse shit without bathing.

 

[deeplyhigh]

About three weeks back we tested everyone in LTCs and started moving positive cases to the hospital.

It was a good move.

No idea why that wasn’t done here and as far as I can tell, it’s not part of the plan even now. Some do get moved to the hospital, but not all. There’s no issue with hospital capacity, so I’m not sure what the decision making process was.

 

[CIA Nigger]

The lockdowns are lifting in my area. Traffic on the road's increased, gas prices are rising again, and fewer people are out walking on the sidewalks compared to a month ago. Masks aren't required by law but they're store policy in many places and Target was selling face masks at the entrance. Some jobs are also handing out disposable masks to employees.

MedCram did a video on N-Acetylcysteine (NAC) . It seems like NAC might reduce the seriousness of COVID infections.

NAC supplements are mostly sold online or at GNC in my area. I wouldn't be surprised if sales shoot up though, sales of Zinc, Vitamin C, and Vitamin D3 have shot up and many local stores are sold out. GNC however has loads in stock and I know they're stocking tons of that.

 

[metroid_fetish]

Has anyone checked in on the Amish communities lately? I haven't heard much about how they're coping with this.

I tried calling them but nobody answered the phone.

 

[Powder Puff Gorl]

The worst is France in this, they forbidden the use of hydroxychloroquine, on the pretense it had slight undesirable effect, that have yet to be proven of course, every meds have side effects, but Authorized a forbidden drug suddenly early in February, the Rivotril, to be administrated swiftly on the "suspition" only, not even needing a fucking test, on the sole suspicion of a cold / fever / cough symptoms. Pure fear driven euthanasy. And listen to this :

This drug was forbidden to use especially in case of respiratory issues !! It is actually the most painful , stressful and inhumane way to kill an human being possible that is suffering from any breathing / pulmonary infection !!!

So France forbid hydroxychloroquine, the US media has vilified it (in favor of Big Pharma)--any other countries downplay or forbid the use of it for the virus?

Looking at that nursing home map--NY is less than 20%? Even with Cuomo's genius decision of sending sick patients in their nursing homes?

I'm starting to believe the release of WuFlu wasn't an accident and I've been following this thread since January. Someone convince me otherwise.

 

[CeleryStalks]

Michigan, USA

Governor Whitmer's legal team is supposed to submit their arguments today in the lawsuit brought by the legislature over her alleged overreach of her emergency authority. Oral arguments will be heard Friday, May 15.

U. S. Rep. Paul Mitchell III, (R-The Thumb) has formed a committee to begin work on a petition to change our state-of-emergency laws, with the intent of reducing the governor's authority in future crises. Such a petition would require 340,047 signatures to be collected (Michigan has 7.7 million registered voters). It would be veto-proof if approved by the legislature, and would go on the next general election ballot if denied by them.
I don't plan on posting any articles until something is official.

The saga of the Owosso barber continues. Karl Manke, aged 77, has reopened his barbershop in defiance of Governor Whitmer (D)'s executive orders. Shiawassee County judge Matthew Stewart has refused to sign a temporary restraining order requested by the State Attorney General's office. Governor Whimer says that Mr. Manke is risking his business license.

Judge won't order Owosso barber to close shop yet, but he faces 2 misdemeanors after reopening during shutdown

Karl Manke, 77, is charged with a health department violation and with violating Gov. Gretchen Whitmer's stay home order.

www.freep.com

(archive)
And now the State is seeking a new court hearing.

State seeks new court hearing after judge rules in favor of Owosso barber shop

Judge Matthew Stewart denied a request for a temporary restraining order.

www.mlive.com

(archive)

Michigan animal park near Grand Rapids says they will reopen Friday, despite Governor Whitmer's orders. Article. Archive.
Upper Peninsula man Erik Kiilunen has been buying billboards and otherwise advocating for businesses to reopen, with or without Governor Whitmer's approval. Article. Archive.

Another protest in Lansing (the capitol) planned for Thursday, May 14, from 9 to 1.
freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/05/12/michigan-lansing-protest-whitmer-stay-home-order/3115967001/
(archive)

Spoiler: Michigan Recap

SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN
Shelter-in-place order from Tuesday March 24 to Monday April 13. Friday, May 1, Friday, May 15, May 28 May 1, maybe? (archive) (executive order saved on KF) . The Republican-controlled legislature has refused to extend Governor Whitmer's emergency authority. Governor Whitmer insists her emergency orders are all still in effect (Rundown on the laws).
State attorney general Dana Nessel (D) is also leaving enforcement of the stay-at-home order to local discretion until the courts weigh in on it (archive). She has stated Governor Whitmer's orders are valid and are to be enforced (archive). The legislature is not calling for civil disobedience at this time (archive).
The legislature has filed a lawsuit against the governor (archive). The defense must submit arguments by May 12, and oral arguments will be heard May 15 (archive).
State senate leader Mike Shirkey (R) is also supporting a petition drive to change the law. Such a petition would require 340,047 signatures to be collected. It would be veto-proof if approved by the legislature, and would go on the next general election ballot if denied by them (archive 1, archive 2, archive 3).
U. S. Rep Paul Mitchell (R - The Thumb) has filed a lawsuit independently against Governor Whitmer, in federal district court. Link, pdf on KF. He has also founded a committee to work on the petition recommended by Sen. Shirkey.
There have been at least six other lawsuits against portions or the entirety of the shut-down order, in various stages of progress and in various courts (summary of eight lawsuits). However, "all deadlines applicable to the commencement of all civil and probate actions and proceedings" are suspended until the end of the states of emergency and disaster. Executive order, and thus in limbo. (archive).

OTHER SHUTDOWNS
Recap from NPR
Major protest at the State Capitol April 15 (A&N thread). Minor protest outside Governor's Mansion April 23 (archive). Protest at the State Capitol April 30 (A&N Thread).
The Big Three Auto manufacturers (Ford, GM, Chrysler) have closed all factories in the USA, putting well over 150,000 workers out of work. This figure does not include workers at supplier factories, which were also obliged to close. (archive) (archive) (archive). Auto manufacturing expected to resume May 18. (archive)

ECONOMY AND MISCELLANY
Over 1 million unemployment claims filed = 10% of the total population of the state, nearly 25% of the workforce (Archive - April 16).
Big Brother is watching, and he approves. Massive phone-tracking project reveals Michigan travel down by 45%, compared to 40% nation-wide (website) (news article archive).
Car crashes are down, fatal car crashes are down, and overall death is actually down. (archive - April 12)

FREE STUFF!
Evictions suspended while the state of emergency lasts (archive) Executive order. May or may not still be valid.
Water will be turned back on for all households while the crisis lasts (archive) Executive order. May or may not still be valid.

HEALTH CARE
Hydroxychloroquine banned by governor's order (archive). Nevermind LOL! Now she's asking the federal government for it and claiming the ban was a mistake in the first place. (archive). Detroit-area hospitals are testing the drug's effectiveness as a preventative on first responders and health-care workers (archive). Article on results, May 8 (archive).
Elective surgeries are banned. Maybe? Who knows. If/when in effect, abortions were not included in the ban (thread).
At any rate, hospitals are resuming elective surgeries.
Up-to-date count of available hospital beds, etc. in the State (the Detroit area is "Section 2, North and South.")(government website)
State of affairs May 5 - about half as many hospitalized cases and ICU cases as on April 12 (archive).
Detroit field hospital, capacity 1,000, closed. Never had many more than 20 at any time. (archive, May 7).

LAW AND ORDER
All localities given more discretion to release prisoners early (archive). It was an executive order. Who knows if it's still valid?
Lansing (the capitol) police are not physically responding to minor crimes such as larceny, property damage, and break-ins to unoccupied buildings, including garages. Other police are adopting similar policies (archive) (archive).
Detroit shootings up, but most other crime down (archive - April 30); Muskegon police report crime is up (archive).
Breaking the lockdown is a misdemeanor, punishable by $1500 fines and 90 days jail time. (Still valid???) Governor Gretchen Whitmer (D) has stated there will not be a "ramp up" of police enforcement (archive). The attorney general has left it to local law enforcement to close businesses, as her hands are full with price-gougers and con artists (archive).
The police cannot, at present, pull drivers over simply for being out during the shutdown (archive). Multiple sherrifs from the rural north to Detroit suburbs have stated they will not be enforcing parts or the entirety of the order (archive).

OFFICIAL DEATH TOLL

The Michigan Department of Health and Human Services reviews deaths and adds overlooked cases to the count three days a week: Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday. Recovery counts are updated on Saturdays.
19 deaths were added today.

Regular reviews of death certificate data maintained in Vital Records reporting systems are conducted by MDHHS staff three times per week. As a part of this process, records that identify COVID-19 infection as a contributing factor to death are compared against all laboratory confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the Michigan Disease Surveillance System (MDSS). If a death certificate is matched to a confirmed COVID-19 case and that record in the MDSS does not indicate the individual died, the MDSS record is updated to indicate the death and the appropriate local health department is notified. These matched deaths are then included with mortality information posted to the Michigan Coronavirus website.

Detroit Metro (pop. 3,860,000 total; 1,796/sq. mi.; 694/sq km):*

32,155 confirmed / 3722 dead
32,010 confirmed / 3,653 dead yesterday
(i.e. 69 new deaths, up 34 from this day last week)
Normal Detroit Metro Death Rate: 104 per day.**

Other Michigan (6,120,000; 65/sq. mi.; 25/sq km):

15,866 confirmed / 952 dead
15,542 confirmed / 931 dead yesterday
(i.e. 21 new deaths, up 12 from this day last week)
Normal not-Detroit Death Rate: 167 per day**

All Michigan (9,990,000; 103/sq. mi.; 40/sq km):

48,021 confirmed / 4,674 dead
47,552 confirmed / 4,584 dead yesterday
(i.e. 90 new deaths, up 46 from this day last week, up 35 with no adjustments)
Normal Michigan Death Rate: 271 per day.**

Death toll doubled since: April 18.
We have been (were?) locked down since: March 24 (until April 30?),
Masks have been mandatory in stores since: April 27 (until April 30?).

Detroit Metro Daily Deaths Last Seven Days:
45 / 70*** / 36 / 69*** / 18 / 15 / 69*** = 358***

State Government site, daily - today's archive;
State Gov site, total, includes breakdowns by sex, age, race and ethnicity - today's archive.
*Here defined as the City of Detroit, and Macomb, Oakland, and Wayne Counties, minus state and federal prisoners, who are not counted towards any county's cases, but are kept in categories of their own.
** As of 2018.
*** 38, 67, and 19 statewide deaths, respectively, were added on these days upon State review. Presumably most were in Detroit, but I don't know exactly how many.
One Ann Arbor man allegedly killed by his roommate in a Corona-related dispute (archive). The suspect has been released from custody while the investigation continues (archive).
One Flint security guard allegedly murdered for telling a woman that her daughter needed to wear a mask in a dollar store. (archive, A&N thread).

 

[737 MAX Stan Account]

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

NAC supplements are mostly sold online or at GNC in my area. I wouldn't be surprised if sales shoot up though, sales of Zinc, Vitamin C, and Vitamin D3 have shot up and many local stores are sold out. GNC however has loads in stock and I know they're stocking tons of that.

I was surprised to find Vitamin D in the health food store near me. It's sold out everywhere else. I'll have a look for NAC next time I'm there.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

I'm starting to believe the release of WuFlu wasn't an accident and I've been following this thread since January. Someone convince me otherwise.

I don't believe it was some "New World Order" or "FEMA Death Camp" shit; however, I am very partial to the idea that the ChiComs used their assets to knowingly spread this shit in population centers of major rival countries.

 

[JosephStalin]

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You've got to be shitting me. Whoever is imposing this county's house arrest is truly insane, if not an outright criminal. Just a prescription for major pushback. WTF are those unemployed who can't draw unemployment going to do? They are already in dire straits. And the extra $600/week on unemployment benefits is only for 16 weeks.

I don't believe it was some "New World Order" or "FEMA Death Camp" shit; however, I am very partial to the idea that the ChiComs used their assets to knowingly spread this shit in population centers of major rival countries.

I consider the CCP's actions an act of war against the entire world.

 

[bippu_as_fuck_ls400]

L.A. County ‘with all certainty’ will keep stay-at-home orders in place through July
https://www.latimes.com/california/...pen-los-angeles-county-move-toward-new-normal (https://archive.vn/Mae16)

Los Angeles County’s stay-at-home orders will “with all certainty” be extended for the next three months, county Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer acknowledged during a Board of Supervisors meeting on Tuesday.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

So France forbid hydroxychloroquine, the US media has vilified it (in favor of Big Pharma)--any other countries downplay or forbid the use of it for the virus?

Yeah some states in the US have banned it. But that was mostly physicians stockpiling it.

It doesn't work but it's become a conservative shibboleth.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

I don't believe it was some "New World Order" or "FEMA Death Camp" shit; however, I am very partial to the idea that the ChiComs used their assets to knowingly spread this shit in population centers of major rival countries.

I think ChiCom jannies cleaned it up.Clean it up sha non. Clean it up. sorry wrong thread, the CCP covered up the outbreak in the way the Communist states always try to do. It also doesn't seem impossible that they locked down domestic travel from Wuhan but allowed international travel to try to make sure their rivals, notably the US, got hit as a badly or worse than they did but it's hard to prove malice rather than just a natural desire for Communist states to sweep things under the rug.

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Let's hope certain LA-Based comedians don't suffer a break up because of this.

OK, I'll stop now.