Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Derped223]

H.R.6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act

 

[Jeffrey Epstein]

So, basically there are a lot more immune or have gotten it it seems, and it's not been horrible for them. It's probably fucking everywhere no matter if we quarantine more or not. So, that's a good thing. Also, whatever the media says, just do the opposite okie!? I've been ordering quality food now that the diners are opening back up! Grilled cheeses,BLTs and fries! I think next place get will be very nice mexican fewd.

 

[dunbrine47]

H.R.6666 - COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act

Love how (((they))) are not even being subtle with the numbering of this one.

 

[RodgerDodger]

So, basically there are a lot more immune or have gotten it it seems, and it's not been horrible for them. It's probably fucking everywhere no matter if we quarantine more or not. So, that's a good thing. Also, whatever the media says, just do the opposite okie!? I've been ordering quality food now that the diners are opening back up! Grilled cheeses,BLTs and fries! I think next place get will be very nice mexican fewd.

A good indicator as to how overall devastating and dangerous CV is, watch Mexico. Are there bodies piling up in the streets? A unprecedented mass herd of panicked refugees storming the US border? Has the cloud of Buzzards circling Mexico City noticeably increased lately? The answer is pretty clearly no. We may want to think on that a bit before extending any lockdowns?

 

[Jeffrey Epstein]

A good indicator as to how overall devastating and dangerous CV is, watch Mexico. Are there bodies piling up in the streets? A unprecedented mass herd of panicked refugees storming the US border? Has the cloud of Buzzards circling Mexico City noticeably increased lately? The answer is pretty clearly no. We may want to think on that a bit before extending any lockdowns?

Yes and keep a little crevice in the border not walled up completely, so the orange Don and muhself can still sneak some good Mexican food and beer every so often.

Also, the order 6666 thing seems like double star wars and double retarde.d which are actually the same thing. More dumbshit commitee retar.d referendums that are introduced (several in a day mind you), so ONE of the numbers had to be 6666 lol, so don't think anything of it, or you're a dum dum. They pop these out like candy, just go on the site, and you won't have to think of some parentheses guilded caped master waggling his dick saber in front of pelosi's freddy kruger pizza maw.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

So New Orleans binmen went on strike over Coronavirus protection concerns (no gear, no hazard pay, no sick leave for suspected cases). Whilst I'm not fully convinced the concerns are justified they're the worker's concerns to have, not mine. How did New Orleans respond? Prison labour.

they certainly have the right to express their concerns, but demanding extra pay when cities are going to find themselves light on cash when summer tax bills go partially or fully unpaid is neither a good idea not bad optics. Meanwhile, non-violent prisoners who would love to get out of their cells and get some fresh air probably enjoyed the chance to work at something, even if it's for the paltry amounts prisoners earn towards their commissary accounts and restitution payments.

So I think if perhaps from the start it had been, we estimate it will take two months to flatten the curve to an acceptable (measurable!) level following these restrictions: <whatever short of house arrest for all Americans>. People would complain but they would have in their heads something to hope for. Instead the combination of no time limit and abandoning the measurable curve flattening factor in favor of bleating MAYBE TWO YEARS just meant no one was going to take it much longer. You cannot expect people to agree to suffer indefinitely.

This goes hand in hand with what @EmuWarsVeteran said about Spain's current plan. If American leaders actually evaluated their situations every two weeks to say, "OK, a, b, and c can reopen, but everything else can't yet. They're restricted for 2 more weeks and we'll evaluate again then," it might be easier to sell to the public. Indefinitely-extended mass-restrictions and piecemeal reopenings aren't all that helpful or reassuring, especially for small business owners and employees suffering the most while they remain in indefinite limbo. As someone else mentioned, the $600/week Federal unemployment is set to expire July 31 and there is a lot of resistance to extended it because of all the people who are currently earning more in unemployment than their normal weekly pay. I'm surprised nobody thought to cap it at that, even if the Democrats would get salty over it.
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This is why the "go fuck yourself" letter needs to be accompanied by a bit of action to back it up. In our case, after chastising them for caring about property values above all else (and not even bothering to acknowledge kung flu or ask after our well-being), I included a brief mention of having contracted a landscaping company to replace the dying lawn and gave contact information for them to verify. Because we're doing exactly what they demanded of us, all they can do is stew in their own juices if they don't like the tone of my response. If they try to litigate, we can just show the judge the contract and receipt and say "wtf dude, we literally acted within days of receiving the letter, what the hell do they want?"

Not to mention that some areas may still prohibit landscaping businesses from operating. If that applies to your area, @moocow, I'm sure you were happy to point out that while you've contacted someone about your lawn, it can't be addressed until the company can resume work -- and there might be a backlog before they can get to you. Any HOA that would pitch a hissyfit in that scenario is really showing its true colors in throwing authority around and putting less interest in maintaining the neighborhood.

Around here we don't bother the cops with that kind of stuff. If a property has waist-high grass and corpses rotting on the lawn we contact the health department.

My part of KiwiLand is similar. City/municipal level code enforcement officers are supposed to make random spot checks (if time and resources allow) and investigate citizen complaints about poorly-maintained property. Any property with code violations results in a form letter being sent that spells out the exact violations and sections of the code being violated along with instructions to bring the property back into compliance by a certain date or making a call with questions or concerns if that deadline might not be met for a good reason.

For items such as lawns not mowed or snow not shoveled, municipalities usually reserve the right to take care of it themselves and bill a hefty fee to the property owner via a lien on their property or an assessment appearing on their next property tax bill. Most people that aren't slumlords usually work to resolve the matter quickly so that further enforcement action isn't needed.

Sometimes, enforcement officers can be a PITA, though. In the city I work in, the code enforcement officer came in one winter day to ask about the snowplowing. I truthfully told him the office next door hired the snowplow service. He pointed out that snow was plowed so high along the side of the road that it obstructed the view of oncoming traffic for those pulling out onto the main road. When I politely asked where the plower was supposed to put 9+ inches of snow being removed from three business' parking spaces, however, he was unable to offer any suggestions. It must have driven the point home because he never returned to complain further even though the snow remained there until it finally melted -- same as every other corner that had snow plowed just as high up and down the same road.
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[Shaka Brah]

Which conservative news outlet did you pick this up from?

We've been HCQ + zithro + zinc for a while.

I read the study that claimed HCQ didn't work. Their only drug regimens were HCQ + z-pack, HCQ by itself, and nothing. Zinc was not listed as utilized in their trials, and levels of vitamins in patients didn't get reported.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

A High-Tech Coronavirus Dystopia

It would be nice if we could get off this ride.

 

[Dog-O-Tron 5000v5.0]

Dr. Faucet is now pushing "fall death wave" again, and postulating no school in the fall. So, if the initial models that suggested no death wave and that a few weeks of "social distancing" would "flatten the curve" weren't accurate, why keep kicking the can further down the road? The more they keep shifting around the numbers and imposing martial law in blue areas the more people are going to get upset.

Warmer weather has been historically linked to riots, and at this point, the longer they keep on the pressure is going to build in these major cities to the point where ordinary normies are going to be on the streets, and once all hell inevitably breaks loose, every psycho looking to set things on fire is going to be out there.

Spoiler: Major American city, 2020 (colorized)

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Gawd I hope so. Livestream riotcams haven't been anywhere near good as they were during the Obama admin. We need Tim Pool on the frontlines risking his Iphone for our entertainment!

 

[That_Guy]

Seems Pittsburgh is trying out the sand-the-skateparks tactic.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/pittsburgh-skate-park-sand-city-hall
Archive: https://archive.vn/QIAKu

Someone voiced a polite objection. From the article it sounds like they'll just double down on this rather than be seen saying "Yeah, Maybe that wasn't our best idea."

If they don't find themselves a clue, I hope it's a dumptruck full next time.

 

[Intensening Rapeye]

Theres a load of instagram moments. Lol holy shit dudes.

https://youtu.be/JxCI4odOYuY

 

[Sweetpeaa]

Things I've learned in the last week:

This virus can cause meningitis even in young healthy people.

The virus can get in through your eyes more than your nose or mouth through aerosols

It is more contagious than measles

 

[moocow]

State seeks new court hearing after judge rules in favor of Owosso barber shop

God damn that headline pisses me off. What the fuck is wrong with Whitmer? You don't get to just keep re-hearing an issue over and over again until the judge does what you want.

 

[CeleryStalks]

Michigan, USA

Governor Gretchen Whitmer (D)'s legal team have submitted their arguments in the lawsuit brought by the legislature over her alleged overreach of her emergency authority. The Michigan House Democratic Caucus has filed an amicus curiae brief. I have not seen a copy of the documents as of yet, but the news are reporting that they are saying:
that she does indeed have the power, under the law, to unilaterally keep a state of emergency in effect as long as she deems necessary;
that the legislature is attempting "a power grab cloaked in the fineries of unfounded legal reasoning begging for judicial imprimatur";
that ruling against her at this point would be harmful to the State and its citizens, both by the confusion that will result from her orders abruptly ceasing, and by the danger to public health.
Oral arguments will be heard (virtually, of course) Friday, May 15.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/05/12/whitmer-response-michigan-legislature-lawsuit-power-grab/3120042001/

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Good grief, it's lawsuit number nine eleven! Three medical providers and one patient sued Governor Whitmer, Attorney General Dana Nessel, and MDHHS Director Robert Gordon in West Michigan (Grand Rapids) Federal District Court on Tuesday, May 12, over her executive order banning elective surgeries. The lawsuit is on the now-usual grounds that her orders are unconstitutionally vague, violate separation of powers, violate due process rights, and are invalid after April 30th anyway. There is also a new (new to me, at least) argument that they violate the [Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution.]
Edit for clarity.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/05/12/3-medical-centers-patient-sue-lift-whitmer-ban-medical-services/3120619001/

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https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2020/05/health-care-groups-sue-governor-claim-michigan-coronavirus-curve-flattened-and-call-emergency-orders-unconstitutional.html

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Spoiler: Legalese Summary

I. The orders expired April 30, anyway.
II. The Governor is violating separation of powers.
III. Void for vagueness.
IV. Violation of procedural due process.
V. Violation of substantive due process, including right to intrastate travel, right to practice one's chosen profession.
VI. Violation of the commerce clause. This is the new one.

Some highlights:

Jeffery Gulick of Owosso [one of the plaintiffs]... was supposed to get his right knee replaced March 20 at Memorial Hospital in Owosso. But the governor’s order announced in the afternoon of March 20 banned non-essential procedures and meant the cancellation of the surgery and follow up care for his left knee, which had previously been replaced.
“He is in excruciating pain and unable to get prescription pain medication until he can be seen on June 11,” the lawsuit said. “As a result of the debilitating pain, Mr. Gulick has had to reduce his work hours by 80%.”...
“Grand Health furloughed most of its employees and has pushed back almost all of its patients’ procedures and post-operative support meetings,” the lawsuit said. “If the shutdown continues, Grand Health will almost certainly go out of business, and its medical staff will be out of work.”
More than 90% of the patients at Wellston Medical Center and Primary Health Services are low-income Medicaid or senior Medicare patients who require largely non-emergency, but important care, the lawsuit said. The clinic usually sees 90 to 100 patients a day, but the governor’s order banning non-essential procedures caused patient census to drop 95%.
One patient, the lawsuit said, had a stent in his ureter because of a kidney stone.
“The stent was supposed to be removed in two weeks,” the lawsuit said. “That procedure could not be scheduled for two months, resulting in a bladder and kidney infection. The infection required hospitalization and emergency surgery.”

The lawsuit claims the basis for Whitmer’s March 10 state of emergency declaration was, in part, “grossly inaccurate” data from the Centers for Disease Controlin March forecast between 160 million and 214 million coronavirus cases and 200,000 to 1.7 million deaths nationally in a worst-case scenario...
The lawsuit said Whitmer on April 27 acknowledged “the curve has flattened in Michigan.”
“Graphics depicted that while Gov. Whitmer’s administration anticipated 220,000 patients being hospitalized without social distancing efforts, there had only been 3,000 hospitalizations as of April 27,” the complaint said. “That is less than 1.4% of the projected COVID-19 hospitalizations underlying the governor’s declared states of emergency and disaster.”...
“This shutdown is risking lives and imperiling health,” Dr. Randal Baker, president of plaintiff Grand Health Partners, told the Mackinac Center. "The curve has been flattened. There will likely be spikes of cases in the future, but we can’t shut down non-COVID health care every time. We need to reassess the best practices to save the most lives, particularly where COVID-19 cases are low.
“According to data released by the state of Michigan, hospitals in the state are well-stocked with over 2,400 available ventilators, nearly 1,000 available (intensive-care) beds, and more than 7,000 available hospital beds.”

PDF of lawsuit. Not uploading it because it's 215 pages (to be fair, most of them are just exhibits).

At least seven nine other lawsuits against Governor Whitmer et al have been or are in various stages of progress. Recap here.
[ETA: Found two lawsuits I overlooked earlier, that aren't in the recap. Lawsuit 1. Lawsuit 2.]

 

[eternal dog mongler]

I read the study that claimed HCQ didn't work. Their only drug regimens were HCQ + z-pack, HCQ by itself, and nothing. Zinc was not listed as utilized in their trials, and levels of vitamins in patients didn't get reported.

Which study. 'cause there have been multiple.

 

[JosephStalin]

At this point they are practically begging for civil unrest.

Do they even realize just how badly this is going to screw over the local economy and how many people will default on rent/mortgages over this? Even if they can't offically evict, most rental properties will fail to make their own loan payments now.

Look up death spirals because we're in one.

We will be lucky to see these house arrests end without major violence. Not sure if the LA County "health officer" met with any community groups or the media to make her case for such a long extension. Our county's "health officer" doesn't say much, just issues his ukases.

People are already getting tired of the constant diet of house arrest and being fucked with by their state/county/city governments. Some places are lifting their house arrest as quickly as seems prudent. Things in CA are going too slowly.

The LA County Board of Supervisors would be well-advised to look at past history. Plugging in the phrase "los angeles riots" into my DuckDuckGo search engine shows riots in 1940, 1943, 1965, 1968, 1970, 1991, and 1992. I remember the Watts riots of 1965 and the rioting of 1992.

What might cause the next unrest? Anything - get enough people frustrated, worried, and angry, which LA County seems to be pretty good at doing.

I would walk this latest extension of house arrest back before people walk it back for them. I'd do my best to see where restrictions could be relaxed. And I would consider the residents of LA county as people instead of animals.

Once again, we see the bond of trust between the people and government/law enforcement not just breaking, but shattering.

 

[Xarpho]

Seems Pittsburgh is trying out the sand-the-skateparks tactic.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/pittsburgh-skate-park-sand-city-hall
Archive: https://archive.vn/QIAKu

Someone voiced a polite objection. From the article it sounds like they'll just double down on this rather than be seen saying "Yeah, Maybe that wasn't our best idea."

If they don't find themselves a clue, I hope it's a dumptruck full next time.

If the government really wanted to cut down social gatherings in the park, they should consider removing every basketball hoop in town. The public blowback from that and the mental gymnastics would be hilarious to watch.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Once again, we see the bond of trust between the people and government/law enforcement not just breaking, but shattering.

And yet, I bet all these little Nazi Wannabe Governors get re-elected this year.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

Didn't have the patience to watch a 3-hour hearing with Dr. Fauci, but I definitely read a transcript.

Basically, Fauci looked absolutely pissed and assmad when talking about the states that have started to re-open (in the highlights that I did watch). He, once again, bitched about the risks of re-opening before there's a vaccine.

He then proceeded to say that not only is a vaccine not even close to being finished, but that the vaccine might not be effective anyway. So I guess he expects us to be under lockdown indefinitely? Fuck you, Fauci. Trump deserves criticism here, too: I'm sick of Trump praising this guy every step of the way-- it gives him legitimacy when he's been consistently inconsistent!

The "cure" to this damn thing is herd immunity at this point. If we can't count on a vaccine to even work, then what options do we really have?

SARS from 2003 still has no vaccine, y'all. I think the idea of there being one for WuFlu is a pipe dream. Fauci is also the asshole that promised an AIDS vaccine back in the 90's too. Dude has had a history of absolute failure, yet he's treated like the only expert with any authority. Blows my mind.

 

[Underestimated Nutria]

IU is a WHO invention.

International unit - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

https://archive.vn/dBCJx


So the number of micrograms of a substance that make up one IU of that substance is arbitrary and for at least one substance the WHO-EG changed it. What a shitshow. Why not just quote the mass in (micro|milli)grams?

Wow!!! That IS very interesting.

The old British currency was superior. 240 pennies in a pound meant it was far easier to divide a pound because 240 has far more factors than 100. You can divide 12 by 6,4,3 and 2 easily. 10 you just have five and 2. The smaller terms were similarly sensible: 1 shilling = 12 pennies. So a pound is simply twenty shillings. Basically pre-decimilzation currency is actually easier to work with mathematically. Whereas post-decimialization appears easier to work with, because some people can't get past the "counting in tens is easy" stage of primary school education impressions. It's the same way SI people insisted on trying to redefine Megabytes as 1,000 Kilobytes which are 1,000 bytes, etc. completely ignoring that this makes no sense for a base-2 number system and makes things more complex for the people who actually use and understand these things and simpler only for those for whom it doesn't matter because they only use them as arbitrary units. Ralph Waldo Emerson remarked that "a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" and he wasn't wrong.

My issue with American units isn't actually that they're non-decimal. It's that they're non-standard. They're inconsistent for no good reason. There are 1,760 yards in a mile. There are three feet in a yard. An acre is one furlong by one chain and a chain is one tenth of a furlong which is one eighth of a mile. It's a pile of accumulated unplanned terms. Metric isn't better because it's decimalized. That actually makes the mathematics harder. Hell, even at a computer level I believe it would be easier to build low level libraries that worked with octal or hex rather than decimals as standard. Metric is better because it's consistent. You have metres, kilometres, square kilometres... People are fixated on tens because they have ten fingers (except in Norfolk). It's not the best number system and is thought to be so almost solely due to familiarity.

Fuck decimalization! It was a pandering move to the mathematically illiterate. But I'll take it over something that has no standard terms of scaling (kilo- mega- giga-) or self-consistency.

Fascinating.

I vaguely recall someone making a similar argument to me for temperature, saying Farenheit is more intuitively obvious, but I can't recall his line of thinking.