Snowflake Chloe Wilkinson / DissociaDID and Nanette Zuniga / Nan / TeamPinata

This is the first time I have watched this video and I'm really confused... She titled the video "My ALTER Does My Makeup" even though she clearly states it is Chloe who is putting on the makeup aka the host. She also refers to herself as an alter at the beginning of it and says "This is Chloe, I'm the alter who does the makeup..." even though she literally has a text underneath calling her the host. She probably knows she won't get as many views if she doesn't title it "MY ALTER DOES MY MAKEUP!!" so she had to clickbait like that even go as far as call her own self an alter. Am I wrong to think she never did this before? I literally haven't heard her (as the host) call herself an alter.

I think her first video collaboration with Nan was about whether hosts counted as alters or not. They defined hosts as 'the alter who fronts the most', but they never referred to themselves as alters outside of clickbaity titles after that.

Tangentially related: Nadia was supposedly the host for some time during school. I'm not sure exactly where she said that, though, I'll take a look.
 
I think her first video collaboration with Nan was about whether hosts counted as alters or not. They defined hosts as 'the alter who fronts the most', but they never referred to themselves as alters outside of clickbaity titles after that.

Tangentially related: Nadia was supposedly the host for some time during school. I'm not sure exactly where she said that, though, I'll take a look.

I think that was one of her first videos where she addresses her friend from school who asks why she was just normal Chloe in school. Last time I checked she had taken that video down, probably because it raises questions about why she never turned into a ghost or a child at school and also because she switches into Nadia but shows no amnesia whatsoever and just carries on where Chloe left off.

She switches into Nadia and then says "actually it was mainly me, Nadia, who you knew at school" and then spews out some rubbish about how Nadia didn't know she wasn't the main altar so it wouldn't have been obvious to others, totally sidestepping the fact that everyone would have been calling this totally unaware girl called "Nadia" Chloe. If everybody started calling me a completely different name then my own it would certainly raise questions at least, but probably freak me out so much I would beg to be admitted into a psych ward.
 
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But that could be NPD with BPD traits rather than the other way around.
Most Cluster B's have a LOT of tendencies from (an)other Cluster B disorder(s), like many ASPD's have tendencies of NPD, most BPD's have tendencies of NPD and HPD, etc. Like some dude on youtube said (can't remember who): "Cluster B is more of a soup/spectrum" (Although I will admit, BPD has the least in common with the rest of Cluster B)
"This is Chloe, I'm the alter who does the makeup..."
There was a video where Nadia did the make-up (Day in her life video I believe), and Kyle said he had watched the girlS do make-up, so, not that it matters but it was a slip-up

Something else that doesn't really matter but I noticed: earlier on in her Youtube 'endeavours' she would call it the "internal world", later on she started calling it the "inner world". I honestly don't know why.
 
I think her first video collaboration with Nan was about whether hosts counted as alters or not. They defined hosts as 'the alter who fronts the most', but they never referred to themselves as alters outside of clickbaity titles after that.

Tangentially related: Nadia was supposedly the host for some time during school. I'm not sure exactly where she said that, though, I'll take a look.
there 6:40 ish (apparently being a bit more hyperactive means you are so totally different person.)
 
I think that was one of her first videos where she addresses her friend from school who asks why she was just normal Chloe in school. Last time I checked she had taken that video down, probably because it raises questions about why she never turned into a ghost or a child at school and also because she switches into Nadia but shows no amnesia whatsoever and just carries on where Chloe left off.

She switches into Nadia and then says "actually it was mainly me, Nadia, who you knew at school" and then spews out some rubbish about how Nadia didn't know she wasn't the main altar so it wouldn't have been obvious to others, totally sidestepping the fact that everyone would have been calling this totally unaware girl called "Nadia" Chloe. If everybody started calling me a completely different name then my own it would certainly raise questions at least, but probably freak me out so much I would beg to be admitted into a psych ward.

So "Nadia", a fully formed conscious entity who believes to have the appearance of a Native American girl with long braided hair, fronted the most often for a certain period of time and didn't know she wasn't the main alter despite not only being called "Chloe" by everyone, but also despite the fact that she was clearly inhabiting the body of a pasty white British girl whose face in the mirror didn't match what she supposedly thinks she looks like.

Okay, I see why she took down/privated this video, because the bullshit is so apparent. I think Chloe's mistake was when talking to the friend she probably made up a lot of shit on the fly so that it would match the friend's experience with her. It's hard to keep a story straight when you have woven such an intricate web of lies while also doing improv on it.
 
So "Nadia", a fully formed conscious entity who believes to have the appearance of a Native American girl with long braided hair, fronted the most often for a certain period of time and didn't know she wasn't the main alter despite not only being called "Chloe" by everyone, but also despite the fact that she was clearly inhabiting the body of a pasty white British girl whose face in the mirror didn't match what she supposedly thinks she looks like.

Okay, I see why she took down/privated this video, because the bullshit is so apparent. I think Chloe's mistake was when talking to the friend she probably made up a lot of shit on the fly so that it would match the friend's experience with her. It's hard to keep a story straight when you have woven such an intricate web of lies while also doing improv on it.

As far as I can tell, the idea that these were other personalities didn't enter Chloe's brain until a crisis counselor (I think) told her that having a dialogue in her head wasn't normal. (It was.)

Despite that, Glass the fairy says she remembers fronting at the age of three. Chloe treats her alters like they're all fully formed spiritual protectors rather than personality states. She really just writes the rules as she goes. IMO, it's closer to having metaphysical, magical-thinking based time with friends, feeding into each other's delusions Heavenly Creatures-style than it is a recognized version of what any competent mental health professional would call DID.

I think that Chloe really got into things when her YouTube channel took off. She had liked the angst-flavored LARP'ing, cast of fun OCs look of the DID community before, but now she was actually getting an audience. Despite her diagnosis being brand new, she presented herself as an expert. And people believed it, because the DID community is already conditioned to group-think and biased towards anything that reinforces their magical thinking. That Chloe says she's an expert and copies and pastes sources she hasn't read is enough. They aren't going to fact check her anyway.

So Chloe doubles down on the DID, becomes more immersed in the ridiculous community. It's scratching a lot of itches for her by giving her attention, money, and feeding her martyr complex. So I think in those early days she was especially scrambling to convince herself of her own diagnosis, filling in any space she could with "evidence." Like, "Oh, I was happy here. That was an alter. Oh, I was depressed here and my dad said that didn't sound like me. Ect." She's realizing her hobby could become her career while she's still in that fun faze, getting excited by every tiny synchronicity. Now she can't keep the fiction she wrote for herself straight or answer questions about its huge leaps in logic.
 
As far as I can tell, the idea that these were other personalities didn't enter Chloe's brain until a crisis counselor (I think) told her that having a dialogue in her head wasn't normal. (It was.)

Despite that, Glass the fairy says she remembers fronting at the age of three. Chloe treats her alters like they're all fully formed spiritual protectors rather than personality states. She really just writes the rules as she goes. IMO, it's closer to having metaphysical, magical-thinking based time with friends, feeding into each other's delusions Heavenly Creatures-style than it is a recognized version of what any competent mental health professional would call DID.

I think that Chloe really got into things when her YouTube channel took off. She had liked the angst-flavored LARP'ing, cast of fun OCs look of the DID community before, but now she was actually getting an audience. Despite her diagnosis being brand new, she presented herself as an expert. And people believed it, because the DID community is already conditioned to group-think and biased towards anything that reinforces their magical thinking. That Chloe says she's an expert and copies and pastes sources she hasn't read is enough. They aren't going to fact check her anyway.

So Chloe doubles down on the DID, becomes more immersed in the ridiculous community. It's scratching a lot of itches for her by giving her attention, money, and feeding her martyr complex. So I think in those early days she was especially scrambling to convince herself of her own diagnosis, filling in any space she could with "evidence." Like, "Oh, I was happy here. That was an alter. Oh, I was depressed here and my dad said that didn't sound like me. Ect." She's realizing her hobby could become her career while she's still in that fun faze, getting excited by every tiny synchronicity. Now she can't keep the fiction she wrote for herself straight or answer questions about its huge leaps in logic.
from:https://www.isst-d.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/GUIDELINES_REVISED2011.pdf
"The identity problems that occur
in personality-disordered patients may occasionally be misdiagnosed as a
symptom of DID."

"Inexperienced clinicians may also confuse a patient’s investment in
a metaphorical “inner child” or similar phenomena with clinical DID."


"patient’s desire to have a more “interesting” or elaborate disorder, resulting
in the patient coming to believe that he or she has DID..... patients with this kind of
pseudo-DID tend to be characterized by an enthusiastic embrace and display of their “identities” that is contrary to typical DID patients’ pervasive
pattern of disavowal—of dissociated aspects of themselves, of overwhelming trauma, and of the diagnosis of DID"


It can be helpful to use the terms that patients
use to refer to their identities unless the use of these terms is not in line
with therapeutic recommendations and/or, in the clinician’s judgment, certain terms would reinforce a belief that the alternate identities are separate
people or persons
rather than a single human being with subjectively divided self-aspects.


"elaborate systems of identities are multiple traumas, multiple perpetrators, significant narcissistic investment in the nature and attributes of the
alternate identities
, high levels of creativity and intelligence, and extreme
withdrawal into fantasy, among others. ----->edit is that a fancy way of saying LARPING OC's???
 
This is the first time I have watched this video and I'm really confused... She titled the video "My ALTER Does My Makeup" even though she clearly states it is Chloe who is putting on the makeup aka the host. She also refers to herself as an alter at the beginning of it and says "This is Chloe, I'm the alter who does the makeup..." even though she literally has a text underneath calling her the host. She probably knows she won't get as many views if she doesn't title it "MY ALTER DOES MY MAKEUP!!" so she had to clickbait like that even go as far as call her own self an alter. Am I wrong to think she never did this before? I literally haven't heard her (as the host) call herself an alter.

The 'series' was My Alter Does My Make Up. She did similar videos with Nadia and Kyle. I'm not sure why she took part as Chloe. If I remember rightly, this was around the same time she was getting a little heat for being inconsistent. She had started using the 'shattered bowl' analogy and claiming that no alter is the original.

Does anyone have the file of "Non-human alter does my makeup"? The archived link in c666's post only shows a snapshot of the page and doesn't include the video. (https://archive.li/swjWE)

Is is literally the video embedded directly above those links in the OP. I'm not sure how you missed it when it is directly above and not even under a spoiler, but read in future.

ETA - I briefly rewatched the video 'Nadia Hates Me' and I didn't think to elaborate earlier. I found it interesting to note that she claims she dislikes Chloe after the way Chloe handled her ex boyfriend. That would probably be Jamie. In earlier videos when Jamie was still in the picture, Chloe and Nadia had a positive relationship. By the time this video was posted, Jamie was out of the picture, and Nadia no longer liked Chloe. So, would this suggest that Chloe has a habit of pulling her 'underage' alters into relationships with her partners?

We know she did this with Nan. We know she encouraged Nan to call herself 'Daddy' in regards to the littles. We know Nadia and other teenage alters dated 'of age' alters. And, when it comes to Jamie, we know that he was involved with the littles, so could it be that Chloe encouraged him to take on the 'Daddy' role too? It certainly seems as though Jamie was somewhat involved with Nadia - implications of romance are there. If you ask me, this is a pattern with Chloe, and supports my first theory that this is all some sort of kink based role play for her.
 
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I don't know if this has already been listed on here, but interesting. So Nan was/is living with Chloe? News article about Nan and Chloe being offended by a Barber.

 
We know she did this with Nan. We know she encouraged Nan to call herself 'Daddy' in regards to the littles. We know Nadia and other teenage alters dated 'of age' alters. And, when it comes to Jamie, we know that he was involved with the littles, so could it be that Chloe encouraged him to take on the 'Daddy' role too? It certainly seems as though Jamie was somewhat involved with Nadia - implications of romance are there. If you ask me, this is a pattern with Chloe, and supports my first theory that this is all some sort of kink based role play for her.

In one of the livestreams with Nan, Chloe mentions that Riven was wary of Amira. This was the same video where she postulated that Indian Amira was possibly a Japanese loli. Apparently, Riven was very territorial around Amira. Given the sexual relationship Chloe had with Riven, I found imagining those two circling each other in a living room pretending to be cats... I dunno. Part of me can't shake the feeling that Chloe forgot about Amira then pulled her out of her back pocket when Nan came to visit because she thought the kinky roleplay would be fun.
 
"patient’s desire to have a more “interesting” or elaborate disorder, resulting
in the patient coming to believe that he or she has DID..... patients with this kind of
pseudo-DID tend to be characterized by an enthusiastic embrace and display of their “identities” that is contrary to typical DID patients’ pervasive
pattern of disavowal—of dissociated aspects of themselves, of overwhelming trauma, and of the diagnosis of DID"

Exactly why all of DID-tube is questionable at best.

"elaborate systems of identities are multiple traumas, multiple perpetrators, significant narcissistic investment in the nature and attributes of the
alternate identities
, high levels of creativity and intelligence, and extreme
withdrawal into fantasy, among others. ----->edit is that a fancy way of saying LARPING OC's???

Yes, yes it is.
 
ETA - I briefly rewatched the video 'Nadia Hates Me' and I didn't think to elaborate earlier. I found it interesting to note that she claims she dislikes Chloe after the way Chloe handled her ex boyfriend. That would probably be Jamie. In earlier videos when Jamie was still in the picture, Chloe and Nadia had a positive relationship. By the time this video was posted, Jamie was out of the picture, and Nadia no longer liked Chloe. So, would this suggest that Chloe has a habit of pulling her 'underage' alters into relationships with her partners?

No. (allegedly)
In the video where Chloe was sitting on a chair starting it, then having to yet again beg Nadia to let her finish the video, Nadia ends up stating that the reason they have a quarrel is because of how messy it got. Nadia thought Chloe was rude to end the relationship (cause Nadia just wants love, which is why the whole Nan/Lacy/whatever deal is so upsetting for many viewers and themselves) when she didn't want it anymore. And Chloe was mad at Nadia for asking the ex-boyfriend if he wanted to be her boyfriend because she liked him. She got rejected, and Chloe got upset.
I can't find the video, but I'll look harder.

edit: the video, which was the first on last page,sorry.
I think it's weird Nadia states he was dating "all of us", but only having a romantic/sexual relationship with Chloe. Thinking of Nadia as a sister and therefore rejecting her.
And how she ends saying "I probably went into way too much personal detail

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It doesn't show up in regular google searchers. I did find a facebook-link, but I can't check it out.
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Is the title in here because it was to be found in the recommended on these videos?

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ETA - The first video is quite interesting. 'Nadia' is co-conscious with Chloe. Chloe is having a conversation with Nadia. Chloe 'switches' out. Nadia immediately greets the camera. Nadia then asks the camera what they're doing. She reads the notes left by Chloe. She then jumps into the video. She briefly pauses to discuss the reason she knows what she's doing - she states that she was very co-conscious and defends the fact she knew what to do the moment she 'switched in' because she saw the camera.
Red Flag: At 4:30 Chloe says (as nadia) "I don't think anyone in our system is related." She then says well I would know! She goes on "I'll ask Kyle." The curious thing is that in her meet the boys video she says Kyle and Mike (a fragment I guess) are brothers. Maybe this is one of the several discrepancies that lead her to take this one down.
 
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Nadia originally was a manga in 1992
that is the obscure children's book Nadia came from?
Welp, now we see why her fans think she’s never at fault, she views herself as some unerring messiah. There are behaviors well beyond this site that many have address for times prior, she’s just previously deleted comments showing the slightest of skepticism. What a pathetic “aDvOcaTe” to brush off any and every wrongdoing you’ve ever committed. Not even gonna address the fact you lied 3+ times in ONE comment section? Hmm imagine what she’s capable of on a larger scale. She’s just attempting to dispel attention from here completely because they know what they’ve done to Nan.
Also, who in the world would want her address. I would need immediate surgery after the brain damage suffered from 30 seconds being in her presence. Her unnerving “I’m an educator” facade blinds me with it’s audacity even through the screen.
I think she’s stupendously naive in the fact that when you’re a public figure, you’re critiqued 24/7, whether that be minimal or massive things. The more you deny mistakes, the more you’re put under fire. She takes hate to such literal extents, while other youtubers actually know how to deal with the chatter. You can’t use “mental health” as an excuse. If you’ve apparently attempted suicide, split an alter, and perpetuated an eating disorder in the span of a few weeks from internet influence, you shouldn’t even be online. If you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen. People won’t coddle you or detract incredulity just because you have mh or trauma; lots of people around the world do. You’re a whole grown adult, start being culpable. Not that deep.

there are people who now won't trust any screenshot at all now because you can fake them. yes, even ones I collect for you guys on other topics. the're all psyops.
 
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Might be off topic but I couldn't help but notice that bird in the background. She doesn't have it anymore, does she? Just makes me wonder how many quirky pets she's gone through. I know she's got guinea pigs now, and didn't she have a horse as well?

edit: alright I don't think she had a horse, just a horse alter (yikes), but my point stands.
 
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Might be off topic but I couldn't help but notice that bird in the background. She doesn't have it anymore, does she? Just makes me wonder how many quirky pets she's gone through. I know she's got guinea pigs now, and didn't she have a horse as well?

edit: alright I don't think she had a horse, just a horse alter (yikes), but my point stands.

I'm gonna say it was at her parents house. They had a family dog too so judging by the timeline and look of the space shes in it makes sense for the bird to be a family pet. How sad is this getting. She's probably hoping we give up. We're not Chloe.
 
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