YABookgate

Then there's booktube or whatever, a few years back you would find these booktubers giving weird writing advice like "how to write like JK Rowling" or "the great writing of Harry Potter". Ah yes the pinnacle of writing, Harry Potter...

Gonna have to disagree with you on this one just in a relative sense. Yeah, Rowling is nobody's idea of Shakespeare, but she has a workmanlike prose style and can produce at a decent clip. Compared to the "first person present tense stream of consciousness" style that's been all the rage since... Hunger Games, I think?... she's fucking Dostoevsky.
 
It was a book with a trans character. The reeing commenced because the author is cis and the character was the victim of a hate crime.
I marked this as informative but almost marked it as lunacy because holy shit that's ridiculous. This honestly makes people scared to write, because apparently writing anything you haven't experienced personally is horrible and wrong and you just don't get it (but high fantasy is popular...).
 
Then there's booktube or whatever, a few years back you would find these booktubers giving weird writing advice like "how to write like JK Rowling" or "the great writing of Harry Potter". Ah yes the pinnacle of writing, Harry Potter...
If nothing else, JK is a great "character writer"

She's got that thing down where a nothingy bit character has some depth from just a few lines of dialogue, and all of the mains and B-cast pass Mr Plinkett's character tewt, in that you can describe them effectively without referring to their appearance or occupation. You could tell who's talki g even if all tags were removed.
 
If you ignore the reviews, Goodreads is an excellent website for keeping track of what you read and want to read. I think it's less a problem of the website than it is a problem of the users (who, incidentally, can add or subtract books to lists as they like whether it fits or not): Unless there is evidence of harassment on threats from one user to another, a website isn't just going to ban someone because they're an annoying SJW clique-brat.

As with all things, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. For every one loud, obnoxious Tumblr-esque twit on Goodreads, there are dozens of others who just mind their own business and don't get involved in drama. Most readers will not allow themselves to be told what to do by some uppity child on social media- but they're also not interested in picking a fight over it either. They've got better shit to do than argue with someone who's not going to listen at best and actively harass them at worst.

I agree that it's good for keeping track of what you've read and for setting goals, and even for keeping track of books that authors you like are planning to release. When I used it I didn't follow anyone and no one followed me so it was fairly drama-free. So as someone who stayed out of the "social media" part of it, my main complaint would be that you can't give half or quarter ratings, you can only use full-star ratings which doesn't work as well for me. Now I just use a Word doc to keep track of it all
 
Why is Twitter going crazy for Percy Jackson right now? I don't get it. # 1 Trending on Twitter in my local area.

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All I hope is that Disney curb stomps all the LGBTQIABBQ representation they're babbling about on Twitter and we get all kinds of salt from that. (Was that even in the books? I only read the first one.)

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Why is Twitter going crazy for Percy Jackson right now? I don't get it. # 1 Trending on Twitter in my local area.

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All I hope is that Disney curb stomps all the LGBTQIABBQ representation they're babbling about on Twitter and we get all kinds of salt from that. (Was that even in the books? I only read the first one.)

Percy Jackson Series in Development at Disney Plus

There is a character, the son of Hades, who is gay. But it's not a huge part of his character or anything (late into The Heroes of Olympus he gets a boyfriend and there are some implications early on that he's gay but nothing major). I don't think it ever even came up until THoO. He's honestly a great character and I will be so angry if they crank up the gay factor to an 11 and make that his primary personality trait instead of a background mention.
 
Gonna have to disagree with you on this one just in a relative sense. Yeah, Rowling is nobody's idea of Shakespeare, but she has a workmanlike prose style and can produce at a decent clip. Compared to the "first person present tense stream of consciousness" style that's been all the rage since... Hunger Games, I think?... she's fucking Dostoevsky.

After the second or third book she really hit her stride with her work and starting producing quality above the median. With the competent prose, she explored well worn territory and structure with great evils, brave heroes, strong friendships, growth and courage, self sacrifice yadda yadda. All tried and true stuff that followed the same formulas that worked for millennia. Her greatest weakness was long-term grand plotting and worldbuilding, with some plot holes big enough to drive trains through, but yeah. Put that next to the rest of the dreck like Twilight or Hunger games and it shines.

Rowling was serving up a decent New York strip with a baked potato while everyone else was pushing week-old tilapia, bottom line.
 
After the second or third book she really hit her stride with her work and starting producing quality above the median. With the competent prose, she explored well worn territory and structure with great evils, brave heroes, strong friendships, growth and courage, self sacrifice yadda yadda. All tried and true stuff that followed the same formulas that worked for millennia. Her greatest weakness was long-term grand plotting and worldbuilding, with some plot holes big enough to drive trains through, but yeah. Put that next to the rest of the dreck like Twilight or Hunger games and it shines.

Rowling was serving up a decent New York strip with a baked potato while everyone else was pushing week-old tilapia, bottom line.

She sucked at actual writing. There's a part in Goblet of Fire near the end where Cedric changes where he's standing on the same page.
 
speaking of twilight, the woke twitter is trying to generate another drama because the new book is coming out or something. They had to dig up an old interview with the director of the first movie calling her "racist" because she refused to racebend her characters.

I can believe I'm saying this but JK "Actually Hermione is black" Rowling should take some notes. Like, Meyer is crazy and shit writer but at least she has balls to stand up for her characters.

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I had a difficult time getting into any of those YA fantasy series (Those with the Percy Jackson/Harry Potter formula, Eragon, etc.) when I was actually in the target age bracket for them. I really can't understand why so many grown adults treat them like the pinnacle of literature.

speaking of twilight, the woke twitter is trying to generate another drama because the new book is coming out or something. They had to dig up an old interview with the director of the first movie calling her "racist" because she refused to racebend her characters.

I can believe I'm saying this but JK "Actually Hermione is black" Rowling should take some notes. Like, Meyer is crazy and shit writer but at least she has balls to stand up for her characters.

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"Your OC is now Asian because that's what I want."
"... But she's not tho?"
"Wow, you are a selfish bigot."

Never thought I'd say this, but good for Stephanie Meyer. More people need to not cave in to this shit, it's their work, they decide what's in it.
 
I had a difficult time getting into any of those YA fantasy series (Those with the Percy Jackson/Harry Potter formula, Eragon, etc.) when I was actually in the target age bracket for them. I really can't understand why so many grown adults treat them like the pinnacle of literature.


"Your OC is now Asian because that's what I want."
"... But she's not tho?"
"Wow, you are a selfish bigot."

Never thought I'd say this, but good for Stephanie Meyer. More people need to not cave in to this shit, it's their work, they decide what's in it.

I saw tweets saying that the Percy Jackson announcement had "saved 2020 from being a complete shitshow." 😐
 
speaking of twilight, the woke twitter is trying to generate another drama because the new book is coming out or something. They had to dig up an old interview with the director of the first movie calling her "racist" because she refused to racebend her characters.

I can believe I'm saying this but JK "Actually Hermione is black" Rowling should take some notes. Like, Meyer is crazy and shit writer but at least she has balls to stand up for her characters.

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Lol quirky glompy pixie-haired Alice was gonna be Japanese in her mind. Fucking hell, stereotyping fictional characters is one hell of a drug.
 
That reminds me of Describe Yourself Like a Male Author Would meme some feminist writers on twitter tried to force. It eventually backfired when most of them realised male writers wouldn't write about them at all. They got so triggered they had to start a support group for each other (yes, that really happened...Wish I still had the receipts).
Most of those are so hamfisted and forced. Yikes... only one I really found funny because she made the author sound like an alien trying to describe humanoids.
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Why is Twitter going crazy for Percy Jackson right now? I don't get it. # 1 Trending on Twitter in my local area.

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All I hope is that Disney curb stomps all the LGBTQIABBQ representation they're babbling about on Twitter and we get all kinds of salt from that. (Was that even in the books? I only read the first one.)

Percy Jackson Series in Development at Disney Plus

I'm Pagan and was in the right age range for this series at the time but never read it or had any interest in it. It's really annoying to see teens come into groups thinking they are the child of x deity because of this series. I also found a lot of Percy Jackson stuff when I was Googling for actual information on mythology. More times than I can count. There are way better works of fiction and fantasy inspired by mythology!!!
I had a difficult time getting into any of those YA fantasy series (Those with the Percy Jackson/Harry Potter formula, Eragon, etc.) when I was actually in the target age bracket for them. I really can't understand why so many grown adults treat them like the pinnacle of literature.


"Your OC is now Asian because that's what I want."
"... But she's not tho?"
"Wow, you are a selfish bigot."

Never thought I'd say this, but good for Stephanie Meyer. More people need to not cave in to this shit, it's their work, they decide what's in it.
That's disturbing. I noticed this too. It's not healthy and would have once been one of those quirks you didn't go around broadcasting. If you like weird shit fine but don't be so open about it especially under your real name. The only one of those super popular ya books I was into was Twilight but I read Anne Rice quickly after because I saw on the reviews of Breaking Dawn that Meyer is apparently the new Anne Rice. :story:
 
I had a difficult time getting into any of those YA fantasy series (Those with the Percy Jackson/Harry Potter formula, Eragon, etc.) when I was actually in the target age bracket for them. I really can't understand why so many grown adults treat them like the pinnacle of literature.
I saw tweets saying that the Percy Jackson announcement had "saved 2020 from being a complete shitshow." 😐
Though I’m sure this is not a surprise to either of you, but it’s just part of the greater infantilization that is going on. I used to not think it was too big of a problem when it came to entertainment since escapism is inherent (comic book movies can be a lot of fun, and I prefer Super Mario over Grand Theft Auto), but it seems a lot of people are trying to have it both ways: claiming that whatever children’s cartoon they are watching has profound life lessons and is therefore SRS BSNS. Too often do I see people in their 30s posting on Facebook about how the most recent episode of Steven Universe or DuckTales “destroyed” them. These are often the same people who think mean tweets are comparable to actual abuse or flip their shit when Martin Scorsese compares Marvel movies to theme parks, so I guess it’s not a surprise. Given how quickly they are to condemn something that doesn’t completely adhere to their beliefs, it’s no wonder they stay away from entertainment that has nuance.
 
I had a difficult time getting into any of those YA fantasy series (Those with the Percy Jackson/Harry Potter formula, Eragon, etc.) when I was actually in the target age bracket for them. I really can't understand why so many grown adults treat them like the pinnacle of literature.
When I was in that age bracket in the 00s the only YA series I liked were Harry Potter and Artemis Fowl (the first four, I heard it got fucking dumb afterwards). I didn't read many of the others, like I read a bit of Percy Jackson and the first book of Rick Riordan's Egyptian gods one (which I thought were mostly dumb, especially the Egypt ones with the black MC playing basketball with monkeys) and tried to read Hunger Games before I put it down since the first person-present tense writing style annoyed the hell out of me. I watched a few movie adaptions of YA books and some of them like The Seeker: The Dark Is Rising are among the worst and most boring shit I ever watched, although the Percy Jackson adaption was too funny/stupid to hate. When I was in that age range (around the time Harry Potter finished up) I moved onto The Hobbit (which is technically YA) and Lord of the Rings/Silmarillion pretty quickly and not long after read lots of Star Trek and especially Star Wars novels, Michael Moorcock's works, and ASOIAF.

Maybe it's a guy thing? The majority of YA fans seem to be women as are the majority of writers (including for Harry Potter and Hunger Games). I think teenage boys/men end up more interested in more action-y, male-centered sorts of plots so usually find their way to adult fantasy or science fiction. There wasn't a lot of YA fiction like that I recall, with Artemis Fowl as a notable exception since I remember it being focused on the MC being a badass tech genius using his wit to give the finger to all sorts of people from his school to supernatural police forces to the Russian mafia to megacorporations with lots of muscle to back him up and some police/military shit going on in the background--you know, the sort of thing your average boy would want to read as escapism and not the crap that goes on in most YA novels. The author (Eion Colfer) also did a standalone cyberpunk book I remember liking back in the day too.
 
Maybe it's a guy thing? The majority of YA fans seem to be women as are the majority of writers (including for Harry Potter and Hunger Games). I think teenage boys/men end up more interested in more action-y, male-centered sorts of plots so usually find their way to adult fantasy or science fiction. There wasn't a lot of YA fiction like that I recall, with Artemis Fowl as a notable exception since I remember it being focused on the MC being a badass tech genius using his wit to give the finger to all sorts of people from his school to supernatural police forces to the Russian mafia to megacorporations with lots of muscle to back him up and some police/military shit going on in the background--you know, the sort of thing your average boy would want to read as escapism and not the crap that goes on in most YA novels. The author (Eion Colfer) also did a standalone cyberpunk book I remember liking back in the day too.

There are some male-led YA novels (Hatchet, Gone, Maze Runner, etc) but the vast majority of YA is female-centric, in terms of both characters and authors. In the few instances I've seen where a male MC was written by a female author, they're almost always pigeonholed into an "Acceptable" category for a male character (gay, black, trans, abuse victim, mentally ill, etc).

It's a vicious cycle, tbh: Male authors writing non-"diverse" media about boys are the minority, and so they don't publish many books in the genre; boys see that they aren't really represented in YA, so they either have to go back to the kids' section or elevate to adult lit. And since the market isn't there, male authors aren't as in demand, so their numbers stay low.

Whether you like YA as a genre or not, whether you think it's trashy or idiotc, it's a bridge for teens and young adults to elevate their reading level from kids' lit to adult lit. And when you have a situation where teenage boys are less into reading as girls are, I think you'll find a tie-in to the fact that there isn't a lot of age-appropriate (in terms of reading level, not content) books available to them. Girls have a HUGE selection across a variety of topics that will appeal to them and be sufficiently challenging for their reading level; teenage boys do not. And for boys who are too advanced to be reading Harry Potter, but maybe not advanced enough to be reading Lord of the Rings, that inevitably means that they're going to have decreased interest in reading.
 
There are some male-led YA novels (Hatchet, Gone, Maze Runner, etc) but the vast majority of YA is female-centric, in terms of both characters and authors. In the few instances I've seen where a male MC was written by a female author, they're almost always pigeonholed into an "Acceptable" category for a male character (gay, black, trans, abuse victim, mentally ill, etc).
Well, Paige Cee/LegallyPaige who is discussed at the beginning of this thread will literally DNF and one-star a book just on the basis that the main character is a cishet white male, regardless of the writing quality. And for some unfathomable reason she seems to have a lot of sway in the YA book community.

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And I will say that having a cisgender, straight male character be mentally ill or an abuse victim will not get you a pass from these people. Because, as we know, men's mental health doesn't matter because "male tears", and in the realm of SocJus, men can never be abused.
 
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Well, Paige Cee/LegallyPaige who is discussed at the beginning of this thread will literally DNF and one-star a book just on the basis that the main character is a cishet white male, regardless of the writing quality. And for some unfathomable reason she seems to have a lot of sway in the YA book community.

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And I will say that having a cisgender, straight male character be mentally ill or an abuse victim will not get you a pass from these people. Because, as we know, men's mental health doesn't matter because "male tears", and in the realm of SocJus, men can never be abused.

Is there any reason not to beat this woman within an inch of her life with a sack of brass doorknobs?
 
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