Trump Enslavement Syndrome - Orange man good. /r/The_Donald and any public demonstration of rabid pro-Trump enthusiasm in spite of all reason.

I totally agree we need a thread about COVID-19 deniers, but I can’t make one until later so I’m dumping this here for now:

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How fucking fragile are these people? America is “destroyed” because private businesses are enforcing public health precautions? Because they’re trying to limit the spread of disease on their premises because people like Todd Starnes have proven that they won’t follow precautions of their own volition?

I’m seeing this attitude so much and I don’t understand it. I think these are just people who hate being told what to do and think the world is ending because they’re being mildly inconvenienced while shopping.
I can just imagine this fool angrily muttering to himself as he wanders into the employee break room lost, looking for a toaster oven, his hands dripping with excess hand sanitizer. Like when are you ever allowed to leave the "approved zone for customers" at a store?
 
I’m seeing this attitude so much and I don’t understand it. I think these are just people who hate being told what to do and think the world is ending because they’re being mildly inconvenienced while shopping.

Any change in life style is the destruction of conservative values. Absurd as that is, it's one of the sticking points for why far right opinions hate the far left with a passion; change bad. Far left thirsts for too much change regardless of quality, so it's an easy target to hate.
 
I totally agree we need a thread about COVID-19 deniers, but I can’t make one until later so I’m dumping this here for now:

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How fucking fragile are these people? America is “destroyed” because private businesses are enforcing public health precautions? Because they’re trying to limit the spread of disease on their premises because people like Todd Starnes have proven that they won’t follow precautions of their own volition?

I’m seeing this attitude so much and I don’t understand it. I think these are just people who hate being told what to do and think the world is ending because they’re being mildly inconvenienced while shopping.
Is this all it takes to make sure Todd Starnes doesn't shop at my toaster store? Asking for a friend
 
I totally agree we need a thread about COVID-19 deniers, but I can’t make one until later so I’m dumping this here for now:

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How fucking fragile are these people? America is “destroyed” because private businesses are enforcing public health precautions? Because they’re trying to limit the spread of disease on their premises because people like Todd Starnes have proven that they won’t follow precautions of their own volition?

I’m seeing this attitude so much and I don’t understand it. I think these are just people who hate being told what to do and think the world is ending because they’re being mildly inconvenienced while shopping.

America was practically founded on independence and personal freedoms/choice (to put it in the simplest of simple terms), and for some people, having to give up said values, even if it's for the greater good, is like when the Wicked Witch of the West got yeeted with water.

The fact is we've got 4 generations of people who've never had to make sacrifices on the level that we're facing right now. TES is not making it any easier, especially when the dumbass in charge keeps changing his stance on a dime or completely disregards the science. The fact there's people so beholden to that orange turd is why we've got people injecting themselves with bleach, taking medicines without doctor approval that don't work, and the threat of an imminent second wave on the horizon.

I ain't no fan of Biden, but IMHO I kind of hope he wins just so we can see what Biden Derangement Syndrome is like from these people.
 
I totally agree we need a thread about COVID-19 deniers, but I can’t make one until later so I’m dumping this here for now:

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How fucking fragile are these people? America is “destroyed” because private businesses are enforcing public health precautions? Because they’re trying to limit the spread of disease on their premises because people like Todd Starnes have proven that they won’t follow precautions of their own volition?

I’m seeing this attitude so much and I don’t understand it. I think these are just people who hate being told what to do and think the world is ending because they’re being mildly inconvenienced while shopping.
In my opinion, half of this outrage is caused by a lack of explicit powers to enforce these quarentines in the constitution. Instead of getting an amendment, we have vague emergency powers that end up feeling arbitrary and unfair. Yeah there'd still be complaints, but when the governors no longer bother with consulting legislatures anymore it sure feels like a tyranny. Especially when somebody decides to used these same emergency powers for their own political agenda.
Limited government is desirable because it keeps people calm. Unlimited government makes the lower class nervous and entices the upper classes to fight over every scrap of power far more than usual.
 
To be honest the people who consider the pandemic to a hoax are usually the people who believe in the moral superiority of 'America'.Any american at some point has met the type the guy that not only believes in America as being the promised land but also believes that its ordained by God in some shape and form.These people tend to believe that the only 'problem' is from the big city types who've been 'contaminated' with foreign commie ideas.(being a social-democrat doesn't make you a communist but try explaining that to your average 50 something in Nebraska)
For them the pandemic goes against what they believe about America.How can a pandemic happen in the first place?If God is on our side?If our system is perfect and its the best thing ever invented in history.So in such an environment obviously conspiracies about liberals wanting to enslave real americans pop up.Its actually kind of creepy because some of these people are so devoted to their ideals they don't even consider the possibility that something made by humans is fallible.There's also a strong contingent of late Cold War era vets among them.Guys who served in the 70's and 80's.For them the idea that the US is vulnerable to an invisible enemy when they themselves witnessed the demise of the Soviet Union is also absurd.'they had 10000 nukes pointed at us and now we cannot handle a stupid cough?'.Ultimately its a result of their education as kids clashing with the reality on the ground and instead of accepting the slight possibility that maybe they were wrong in some respects they double down.They cannot accept that the world doesn't conform perfectly to what they learned as kids.
 
Which covers topics like involuntary quarentine and suspension of habeus corpus how exactly?
Because if this was more serious, we'd have to send people to camps to prevent the disease from spreading.

In many ways this is a dry run, and we utterly failed.

Don't listen to me; I'm some random anon on an internet shitposting forum. That's why the link to the American Bar Association, whose opinion on the topic is more pertinent than a tire changer's or IT flunky's.
 
POTUS could in theory declare a state of emergency and call up the Army to enforce a quarantine.Here's a minor detail.The Insurrection Act which clarifies how the Army can be used to enforce law and order during insurrections/riots or other disturbances in the late 2000's had an amendment allowing the intervention of the Army in case of a major outbreak.But two senators dem and repub pushed legislation to bring it back to its prior wording.Kind of stupid in hindsight.Even so the president can declare that due to his authority as the top law enforcer of federal laws an epidemic has created a situation in which federal law is no longer enforceable by normal authority.So he could call up the Army.It would be a sort of strech but it was exactly this method used by Lincoln to fight the Civil War.Lincoln couldn't compell the southern states from secession.But due to his authority to make sure federal law is respected across the US he could send the Army to enforce it.Its the one thing southerners didn't realise.The federal government couldn't tell them not to leave but it had full authority under the Constitution to enforce federal laws.Oops.
 
I forget is there any policy against quoting people from other threads here? Because the obamagate shit is next level, if only because of the defence that "everyone knows the crime he did!" while refusing to name it because it's too obvious.
They love Trump so much or just hate Obama a lot. Not everybody, mind you.

Be on the lookout for potential social media posts about ObamaGate.
 
I forget is there any policy against quoting people from other threads here? Because the obamagate shit is next level, if only because of the defence that "everyone knows the crime he did!" while refusing to name it because it's too obvious.
No, but it's wise to strip out the name if you're gonna do it, otherwise you're likely to start a cross-thread spaz session.


With Obamagate, it's tough to name the crime because... well do you know the statute that a president violates when he uses the FBI to spy on the other political party? He did a thing that certainly looks really bad, but as we all saw during the impeachment, "Abuse of power" is not an actual crime.
 
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DEAR LEADER HAS SPOKEN!
 
I can't believe people are still trying to make excuses for covfefe like...2 years later? Or longer? I can't even remember. How hard is it to say he mistyped something?
It's a Mao's Mango-esque situation, and by far the leading evidence that Trump has a Stalin/Mao/Kim Jong-esque cult of personality surrounding him.

For those of you unfamiliar with this historical incident: while touring a steelworks in southern China, Mao was presented a basket of various local luxuries and foods (as is expected when your country's leader, despotic or no, tours your business)- included in this basket was a number of mangoes the factory owner had gotten from a family friend who grew them. Mao had one and said something to the effect of "hey, this is pretty good- Chang, get a crate of these up to Bejing in time for the next meeting of the Central Committee."
Mao probably barely thought anything about this, but the ripple effects were frankly insane. As soon as the news that Mao liked mangoes reached the ears of various Party members, they started buying mangoes like mad- after all, if Mao likes mangoes, then by showing that they like mangoes as well, their affiliation with Mao would be seen as authentic. But then some people realized that, if eating mangoes signaled their loyalty to Mao, then declaring mangoes to be a symbol of Maoist thought would show they were even more loyal, and to hell with the fact that this made no fucking sense. So then everyone was talking about how the mango dividing easily around their seed when ripe showed how resources were perfectly divided by the Central Committee, and then some people, to show how they were even more loyal than the rest, began filling bowls in their houses with nothing but mangoes, and soon everyone was doing that. Eventually, China's mango production ability was pushed past its limits due to Party members buying up all the mangoes as a symbol of how loyal they were to Mao. The steelworks that offered the First Mango build a wax replica and enshrined it before a photo of Mao by the main entrance- people were required to bow to this secular shrine to Maoism and Mangoes. As the shortages began, there were instances of Party members being arrested and subjected to Struggle Sessions (a form of public humiliation that often involved torture or execution) for failing to have a mango in their home, because any truly loyal Maoist would have mangoes on hand at all times. Eventually, however, the shortages reached the point where no-one could get mangoes, and the fervor for them quietly died down.

My point is this: in any given cult of personality, those who wish to curry favor with the object of worship (or, more commonly, with the "high priests" who claim to act as intermediaries with the object of worship) are in a competition to show their loyalty, and the best way to show their loyalty is to take a position more extreme and ludicrous than anyone else. After the vanguard adopt this position and gain favor, the line of the movement shifts accordingly, until the previous, above-and-beyond position is the norm, and the vanguard must adopt a more extreme iteration of the previous position, until the baseline rises to an unsustainable level. At this point, the movement begins to attack itself in a "purity spiral", excoriating and shedding members who are unwilling to maintain the increasingly-taxing level of activity needed to be a member of the movement, until it is boiled down to a core of "true believers" more concerned with ideological purity than with the movement's stated goals, or the vanguard tacks away from the spiral and the movement stabilizes.

The SJW sphere is a great example of this; events such as Gamergate are an example of ideological formation and acceleration in action, and there even was a brief purity spiral until the topic died down (and even now you can identify ideological adherents by their signalling of Gamergate as a synonym for "the amassed forces of human evil). What most people call TDS is another example of ideological acceleration/purity spiralling; I legitimately believe that most people with "TDS" don't truly believe that Trump is the most evil creature to ever walk the face of the Earth; they are simply claiming that he is to maintain standing or advance their position in the movement.

Most TES behavior, likewise, is an example of signalling behavior- although, given that Trump's personality cult draws more strongly from a pool of conspiracy theorists of various stripes, I'd put the odds slightly higher on whether a given member believes the outrageous things about Trump or his enemies they say.
 
I can't believe people are still trying to make excuses for covfefe like...2 years later? Or longer? I can't even remember. How hard is it to say he mistyped something?
According to Google docs that Project Veritas uncovered, as well as ex Google staffers I've heard on various radio shows, they really want to fuck with Trump in every way possible. Does Covfefe mean something? Well no, but the fact that it caused an immediate shitstorm from the legacy media made it mean SOMETHING.
 
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