Megathread TERFs / Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists / Gender Critical Feminists - ft. r/GenderCritical & related reddits, Mancheeze, Cathy Brennan, GCDad, RadFHarva, Jamie Shupe, etc; "Gender Critical Feminism is Homophobic" - Cathy Brennan, 2019.

[Comrade Autogynephilia]

When you've pickled your mind by spending all your time in TERF echo chambers

Her entire account is asking retarded questions like this

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[Salad Dodger]

When you've pickled your mind by spending all your time in TERF echo chambers

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Her entire account is asking exceptional questions like this

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You've got to be shitting me. That is hilarious. My vote is she can't get a man to show interest in her is because she's insufferable and insane, autistic about gender critical horseshit, ridiculously fat, has typical lack of Terven humor, which cycles back to insufferable.

Yes, lots of men like traps and trap porn. Big fucking deal. So do some women too. Again big deal.

There will always be way more men that like boobs and vaginas. Its not hard as a woman to drum up male interest, unless you're repulsive.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

When you've pickled your mind by spending all your time in TERF echo chambers

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"Men don't seem that into me; a completely insufferable cow who dehumanizes men! This must be the fault of some random tranny somewhere!"

 

[lololololagain]

When you've pickled your mind by spending all your time in TERF echo chambers

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Imagine using men on 4CHAN's opinions on shit to change your world view. This person is literally upset that bisexual/gay men are into people with dicks. It almost comes off as a tranny trying larp as a TERF because they are the only ones who bring up Trans porn stats to brag about the "straight" men who are into them.
(when from what I've heard, a lot of men who are "Straight" who watch it like to watch transwomen fuck real women, which is straight sex with double the fake tits and plastic)

What woman would be jealous of a transwoman? Men generally treat them like shit or a fetish, there are more men into women and other men then there will ever be into trannies. Bitch needs to get off the internet, stop worrying about gay men being gay.
Most people don't believe it's straight, even the people fucking transgender people constantly have to live a lie and explain it. This comes off very fake but then again, there are people who think the internet equals real life.

Also does she WANT the men into trannies or traps to be into her? Aka in the closet gay/bisexual men, old dudes, weird fat dudes, married men or other trans people? What was the point of this? Not every man has a tranny fetish, in fact you'd met more who don't then those who do.

Edit- Looking at the account this seems like it could be a trans person, this reminds me of all those "Would you date a trans women?" posts on Reddit that always end up with people who say no getting asked a million reasons why and the ones who say yes being left alone. It's obvious it's a trans person trying to see who wants to date them.

Stop looking at reddit for the opinion of normal men and women, shit stop looking on the internet for it.

 

[Unpaid Emotional Labourer]

(when from what I've heard, a lot of men who are "Straight" who watch it like to watch transwomen fuck real women, which is straight sex with double the fake tits and plastic)

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Edit- Looking at the account this seems like it could be a trans person, this reminds me of all those "Would you date a trans women?" posts on Reddit that always end up with people who say no getting asked a million reasons why and the ones who say yes being left alone. It's obvious it's a trans person trying to see who wants to date them.

Stop looking at reddit for the opinion of normal men and women, shit stop looking on the internet for it.

So first, the idea that a straight man might like watching a man with fake tits and a wig fucking a woman because he’s one of those guys who is put off by male bodies in porn yet wants to see that PIV is very interesting.

But yeah I read this post and thought it sounded like a troon trying to psyop. Man, no woman has ever been jealous of a troon, it just doesn’t happen. But since TWAM, they don‘t understand female social interaction and just like they take false but well meaning praise from women on the internet for their low effort ugly Feelin Cute posts for actual sincere praise, they likely take the common “OMG you look great I am so jealous!” as actual jealousy.

 

[Trapitalism]

You're meaning to tell me that there are still men who actually simp to... wahmen over traps? What plebian trash if you ask me.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

When you've pickled your mind by spending all your time in TERF echo chambers

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I think this lady is just around a bunch of raging homosexuals if they like dick so much

 

[Nykysnottrans]

Here's a TERF video by one of Leah Tverly's friends claiming that women cannot fetishize gay men because of the patriarchy. She even puts the word "fetishize" in contempt quotes as if to say that "it's not real fetishization when a woman does it" when that's exactly what it is:

Spoiler: Going over the TERF talking points in this video

In this video by Sarah you will encounter three standard TERF talking points when it comes to TERFs justifying the fetishization of gay men by women:

1) severely circumscribing the topic so as to avoid every other example that's dismissed as an outlier: Sarah makes it seem like the complaint that straight women fetishize gay men is solely related to yaoi style gay slashfic or online fandoms. However, when I and others refer to the fetishization of gay men, we're not just referring to online slashfic communities, but everything from the fact that adult straight women that watch gay porn, to sexually predatory TIFs infiltrating gay bathhouses, to this cis female Youtuber who is a hardcore Jinkx Monsoon stan and even got herself a Monsoon tattoo to show off just how hard she's stanning for a gay drag queen. These are all examples of straight women fetishizing gay men and gay sex culture, but Sarah is going to ignore all of these examples - which she cannot justify using the talking points I will get to below - by severely circumscribing the topic to make it All About Slashfic while ignoring all the rest.

2) Infantilizing women in slashfic to make their fetishization of gay men seem innocent/unintentional. As for the claim that slashfic writers are young, that is simply not true. The first slashfic I myself ever read online back in the late 1990s was actually Scully/Mulder X-files slashfic written by overweight 40+ year old lesbian nuses. It wasn't even gay slashfic but straightAF slashfic meant to resolve the unresolved sexual tension between those two characters. What feminist explanation does Sarah have for 40 year old lesbian nurses writing Scully/Mulder straight slashfic?

3) Blaming violent/aggressive straight pornography for the fact that straight women are alienated from their own sexuality and sexual bodies and hence prefer to fantasize about/idealize/romanticize gay sexuality... as if gay pornography is any better than straight porn and isn't just as violent/aggressive and hence as alienating to gay men. Yes, believe it or not, plenty of gay men actually hate gay porn and the homophobic stereotypes it perpetuates.

There is this idea amongst TERFs that because the fetishization of gay men is driven by supposed internalized self-hatred amongst women, it's therefore not "real" fetishization - supposedly, because the idea that women simply like depictions of gay sexuality better, even for entirely sadistic reasons, has never crossed their minds. This is how TERFs then proceed to justify fetishization and sexual objectification on the part of women, by suggesting that it's driven by internal suffering and dissociation instead of selfish lustful desire (TERFs claim women are incapable of the latter). Of course no woman would ever admit that she fetishizes gay men because she really does view them as sexual objects or convenient fucktoys (convenient in that she can indulge them by proxy without this having any direct consequences for her as a woman because these are gay men and therefore entirely uninterested in women), because such an admission is verboten and aggressively disavowed amongst TERFs. Nope, women only ever enjoy gay depictions of sexuality because they hate themselves, not because women too are driven by lust, self-preservation and convenience to seek out these "alternative" depictions of sex. Sarah claims that women are traumatized by straight porn, but has she ever seen gay porn? It's really not all that different and is sometimes even more extreme than straight porn, especially some of the wide gape stuff. In gay porn too there is a submissive party and a dominant party, a top and a bottom. There are young gay men who testify to being hurt by these pornographic depictions of gay sexuality. The suggestion that gay sexuality is somehow more attractive to young straight women than pornographic straight sexuality is therefore absurd. Both gay and straight sexuality have been moulded and affected by online pornography.

This is why I will never buy into this bullshit that women fantasize about gay sex just because they are "traumatized by the patriarchy", as opposed to the far more likely answer: these women sincerely do often consider gay men better/more attractive sexual partners than the straight men around them, and sincerely wish they could fuck gay men and participate in gay sexual culture which they perceive as more "free" than straight sexual culture. But since they can't get with gay men because they are women, they write (resentful) slashfic and upon discovering radical feminism thus discover a convenient excuse to disavow their true feelings towards gay men, which are a combination of idolizing, romanticizing and fetishizing, or the very same impulses feminism teaches women to denounce in men. Women can thus disavow such "base" impulses in themselves by casting themselves as victims as opposed to perpetrators of sexual fetishization. Disavowing the politics of resentment at work here is just bad analysis. If Sarah spent more time reading the accounts of gay men she would know that gay men are very aware of straight resentment towards them, both from straight men and straight women.

 

[Retribution]

Here's a TERF video by one of Leah Tverly's friends claiming that women

She's claiming that women write most of the fag porn?

 

[Unpaid Emotional Labourer]

She's claiming that women write most of the fag porn?

They do write most of the m/m fanfic and published romance, but women write almost all fanfic and romance anyway. They’re writing what gets posted on ao3, but they do not write what gets posted on, say, Nifty.

Spoiler: Effortpost containing Karen tendencies

What they write is romance with sex, lots of sex, which bears no resemblance whatsoever to the way gay men conduct themselves much less the way gay men fantasize. They’re never writing about oh idk, the gay bear family tradition of escaping to the secret mountain cabin every summer so four generations can fuck each other without the wimmins around. Gay men wrote that, and it is on Nifty etc. Gay men can certainly write less degenerate stuff, but it never occurs to women to write the kind of gay degeneracy that gay men will write. Just like you can always tell if it’s a fujo or an AGP threatening you in your DMs. No passion from the fujo, but palpable passion from the AGP.

There is a definite fanfic to published romance author pipeline, so you’re also dealing with envy. Almost no lesbian romance gets published because women are the ones who read this genre and most women are straight and are not just disinterested but repulsed by f/f romance (but we don’t mind like, side characters, we just don’t want to participate in their relationship journey). But a good amount of gay romance gets written and it’s almost all by women, because if gay men wrote it, they’d write it like THEY want it and live it, and the nearly all female readership would not buy it. So there’s a certain amount of “how dare that bitch get published” to it. But it’s usually fujos LARPing as gays who are bitching.

Ultimately, women don’t want males, gay or straight, putting their sensibilities into romance, whether it’s fic or published. And males do not seem to want to do it, which is great. They can complain from afar if they like, like women bitch about porn. But men don’t want women putting our sensibilities into their porn. Guys aren’t all entirely dismissive of the suffering and coercion that is involved in a lot of porn. They don’t want to think about it. Ever try to talk to a guy you know is a good person about that? They can’t take it. Because it ruins their enjoyment, if they’re a good and thoughtful guy. And I can’t blame someone for not wanting someone else to get up in their fantasy life and inject undesirable reality into it. I don’t want men pointing out to me that men do not think or behave like romance heroes and it’s like motherfucker we know that. This is just a big old quilting bee we’ve got going here, we like it this way. So I am not going to force a guy to think about the reality of porn.

Anyway, in summary, I don’t mind hearing from gay dudes about their feelings about women writing gay shit. It just seems like 99% of the time, the “gay guy“ who is bitching is actually a fujo not-like-the-other-fujos-ing. To be clear I don’t care what gay guys feel about this, but I don’t think they should stfu, while fujos of course should.

 

[Salad Dodger]

So apparently women write buttsex fanfic scenes because its "A coping mechanism for the trauma that comes from living in such a pornographic society..."

So any creative expression of sexuality and eroticism is a coping mechanism? Fucking killjoy.

That's so sex negative. She's too young to actually buy into this bullshit. One bad boyfriend or a molesty stepfather shouldn't mean a life devoid of pleasure.

 

[#zzz]

So apparently women write buttsex fanfic scenes because its "A coping mechanism for the trauma that comes from living in such a pornographic society..."

So any creative expression of sexuality and eroticism is a coping mechanism? Fucking killjoy.

You come to expect it when you read through many feminist works, the female is incapable of malice or hate or lust, they are perfect godlike beings, and any misdeeds can be explained away by the fact that the victims deserved it for some reason. Then you wonder how Women who spent their formative years at a private girls school can think in feminist terms. You'd think they'd become misogynists after that. But they often turn to feminism.

 

[Salad Dodger]

You come to expect it when you read through many feminist works, the female is incapable of malice or hate or lust, they are perfect godlike beings, and any misdeeds can be explained away by the fact that the victims deserved it for some reason. Then you wonder how Women who spent their formative years at a private girls school can think in feminist terms. You'd think they'd become misogynists after that. But they often turn to feminism.

Agreed. Pardon the PL, but I went to a private girls school that was female run and had mostly women teachers and it was a veritable cesspool of conniving cunts with personality and eating disorders aplenty, who jumped on any weakness real or percieved. It was Maude of the flies. I think feminism and cognitive dissonance are inextricable.

 

[Homefries]

I've been lurking r/GenderCritical off and on for a few years now. Always get a kick out of how conservative-minded they are when it comes to sex, dating, and relationships yet they seem to stop short of concluding that it was probably the old conservative culture of "slut shaming" which maintained that status quo and prevented "hookup culture" from developing.

No slut shaming -> no real social consequences to promiscuity -> more men have access to commitment-free sex options -> more men viewing relationships as an unnecessary hassle -> male demand for relationships lowers

 

[Malagor the dank omen]

What they write is romance with sex, lots of sex, which bears no resemblance whatsoever to the way gay men conduct themselves much less the way gay men fantasize. They’re never writing about oh idk, the gay bear family tradition of escaping to the secret mountain cabin every summer so four generations can fuck each other without the wimmins around. Gay men wrote that, and it is on Nifty etc. Gay men can certainly write less degenerate stuff, but it never occurs to women to write the kind of gay degeneracy that gay men will write. Just like you can always tell if it’s a fujo or an AGP threatening you in your DMs. No passion from the fujo, but palpable passion from the AGP.

There is a definite fanfic to published romance author pipeline, so you’re also dealing with envy. Almost no lesbian romance gets published because women are the ones who read this genre and most women are straight and are not just disinterested but repulsed by f/f romance (but we don’t mind like, side characters, we just don’t want to participate in their relationship journey). But a good amount of gay romance gets written and it’s almost all by women, because if gay men wrote it, they’d write it like THEY want it and live it, and the nearly all female readership would not buy it. So there’s a certain amount of “how dare that bitch get published” to it. But it’s usually fujos LARPing as gays who are bitching.

Remember when i was in college i had a fujioshi roomate who had an extremely weird fixation for the Assasin's creed series and she wrote a series of fanfics about Ezio fucking Michelangello. She even gave them to me for a read and they were really fucking boring to the extent of focusing on everything but sex.

This kind of stuff makes me wish there was a mandatory gay sex 101 for fujioshis so they could see the reality of it.

I've been lurking r/GenderCritical off and on for a few years now. Always get a kick out of how conservative-minded they are when it comes to sex, dating, and relationships yet they seem to stop short of concluding that it was probably the old conservative culture of "slut shaming" which maintained that status quo and prevented "hookup culture" from developing.

No slut shaming -> no real social consequences to promiscuity -> more men have access to commitment-free sex options -> more men viewing relationships as an unnecessary hassle -> male demand for relationships lowers

Not only that. The guys that might be interested in a serious relationship might see women that had a lot of partners as being less trsutworthy since they didn't thought of commitment before or they will see them as the ones that took the dick carousel and now they want to settle down with the first guy that comes across. As well, with hookup culture so widespread most guys will think that all women just want a quick fuck with a stud and no strings attached to just jump to the next one.

But hilarious that women are complaining that men are taking advantage of hookup culture like this when it was supposed to give them "empowerment" or some shit. This is like when the USSR legalized divorce and men exploited that shit to hell and back.

 

[Nykysnottrans]

They do write most of the m/m fanfic and published romance, but women write almost all fanfic and romance anyway

How do you verify something like this over the internet, anyway? Someone could be claiming to be a female.

As for TERFs claiming to be able to tell what someone is over the net on the basis of how they write, I have seen cis people male and female misgendered by TERFs so many times in the social media, the self-satisfied arrogance with which TERFs claim to be able to tell what someone is on the basis of how they express themselves online is just astounding.

the female is incapable of malice or hate or lust, they are perfect godlike beings, and any misdeeds can be explained away by the fact that the victims deserved it for some reason

Agreed. Pardon the PL, but I went to a private girls school that was female run and had mostly women teachers and it was a veritable cesspool of conniving cunts with personality and eating disorders aplenty, who jumped on any weakness real or percieved. It was Maude of the flies. I think feminism and cognitive dissonance are inextricable.

And this is why I will never get down with TERFs, because of this fucking disingenuous exculpatory bullshit, this idea that anything a woman does, not matter how evil or cruel or selfish, can be justified or explained away because #PatriarchyMadeHerDoIt

This kind of stuff makes me wish there was a mandatory gay sex 101 for fujioshis so they could see the reality of it.

There is, they just don't want to see it. There are countless of gay documentaries and gay-directed movies and biopics they could watch to learn what gay men's lives are really like, they just don't want to know. They don't want to know about unsexy topics like gay loneliness. That would spoil their idealized fetishized fantasy of gay men. It's not like women are themselves such supposed realists when it comes to fact-checking their own fantasies about an idealized/fetishized "other".

 

[#zzz]

And this is why I will never get down with TERFs, because of this fucking disingenuous exculpatory bullshit, this idea that anything a woman does, not matter how evil or cruel or selfish, can be justified or explained away because #PatriarchyMadeHerDoIt

That's the odd thing to me, is that radical feminist rhetoric that "Everything bad I do is caused by the patriarchy" is so close to "Women can't be responsible for themselves because they are virtually children" misogynistic mindset it's just bizarre.

 

[Malagor the dank omen]

There is, they just don't want to see it.

That's why i said mandatory. Like in a manga i read a long time in which a brigade of dudes in bodysuits kidnapped a bunch of women, strapped them to chairs and put a video of 2 hairy dudes fucking. The women recoil in disgust and look away while everyone else scream "This is how real homos have sex!".

I laughed a lot to that.

 

[Corn Flakes]

That's the odd thing to me, is that radical feminist rhetoric that "Everything bad I do is caused by the patriarchy" is so close to "Women can't be responsible for themselves because they are virtually children" misogynistic mindset it's just bizarre.

Their arguments are highly infantilizing, yeah. But once you realize where they're coming from it makes sense that they'd embrace such bone-headedly stupid arguments:

TERFs, much like SJWs or even religious nutjobs, are trying to validate themselves by claiming the entire world besides them is made up of differing grades of Evil People™ and by standing against it they are by definition Good People™. The rest of the world is, therefore, both free game for criticism, aggression and/or physical violence, and at the same time responsible for all the Bad Things™ their own group does. It's never their own nature that makes them angry, miserable and perpetually-outraged little shits. It's never their responsibility to face the consequences of being all those things either. It's always the Bad People™'s fault, and always the Bad People™'s responsibility.

It's not meant to make sense, it's just meant to "feel" good in an incredibly base level. If you boil it down, all those groups suffer from a downright cartoonish degree of tribalism, bleating out their local equivalent of "four legs good, two legs baaaaaaad".

 

[#zzz]

It's not meant to make sense, it's just meant to "feel" good in an incredibly base level. If you boil it down, all those groups suffer from a downright cartoonish degree of tribalism, bleating out their local equivalent of "four legs good, two legs baaaaaaad".

I wonder how many of them are actually indoctrinated, and how many are simply bad people who came across radical feminism and was like "great I've got an easy out now!"