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That's Bobo & Co.
On the next episode of DID-Tube: "Meet Dave 9-11 firefighter factive! SWITCH CAUGHT ON CAMERA!"
Snowflake Chloe Wilkinson / DissociaDID and Nanette Zuniga / Nan / TeamPinata
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That's Bobo & Co.
On the next episode of DID-Tube: "Meet Dave 9-11 firefighter factive! SWITCH CAUGHT ON CAMERA!"
These people seem to have no concept of what a personality state is. They don't even understand the condition they are pretending to have. Believing you are a girl who survived the titanic sinking at 13 is not DID, that's psychosis. Thankfully we can treat psychosis with a heavy dose of antipsychotics tied down to a bed in a high security hospital, maybe someone should suggest that to her, sure we'd see that "alter" integrate pretty quickly.
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I believe the videos where she interviews her best friend is when the best friend mentions Chloe was talking about DID in 6th form. Best bet is to go back and watch those.
God it's getting boring waiting for something to happen. I really want her to chimp out but I think another sternly worded video from Jade is all we're gonna get.
Edit: gdi I had a really old version of this thread still loaded in a tab and replied to that.
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On a related note, one thing that bugs me with a bunch of DID Youtubers, (Chloe included) is their tone when they insist DID isn't psychosis. Like how DARE people think they might be psychotic? DID is a fine coping mechanism and a healthy way to live. Way preferable to any psychotic disorder.
With DID you get a fun community and people interact with and acknowledge your OCs. Maybe they'll even draw fanart of them. Waaay better than the boring old disorder you actually have.
I'd argue that any disorder that requires you to take anti-psychotics is more stigmatized than DID. Psycho is part of the English vernacular and in the literal title of countless horror movies. It's hard enough to convince people to stay on their anti-psychotics. The DID community isn't doing them any favors.
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One thing that's interesting is that a sign of malingering is when a person is unable to describe their symptoms in their own terms. Instead, they list them out like a definition, which is what Chloe does. I can't think of one time she's spoken about her symptom experience in a way that was unique. For example, there was a case study where the person more or less said 'I want to bleed so I can visually see my pain' as a reason why they cut themselves. Basically, it was a way for them to release their pain, almost to validate it. It's true that cutting can be a twisted catharsis, but the phrase 'I cut myself just to feel something' is a very general statement compared the personal words of that individual.
Now, a person can absolutely describe it like that in those exact words and not be a malingerer, but it's when you have a lot of those kinds of common phrases anyone can find on Google or in textbooks that it raises red flags. That's often what doctors look for, textbook definitions of symptoms. Another thing they do is ask for elaboration on their experience and a lot of time the malingerers struggle to do so. A lot of times they'll just restate a second definition they've found. Or they just sort of stumble over their words and in some cases get defensive. Again, that doesn't mean everyone who has trouble explaining it is faking. Some people don't have the words.
Basically, if a person can't give you their experiences in their own unique words, red flag.
Now, a person can absolutely describe it like that in those exact words and not be a malingerer, but it's when you have a lot of those kinds of common phrases anyone can find on Google or in textbooks that it raises red flags. That's often what doctors look for, textbook definitions of symptoms. Another thing they do is ask for elaboration on their experience and a lot of time the malingerers struggle to do so. A lot of times they'll just restate a second definition they've found. Or they just sort of stumble over their words and in some cases get defensive. Again, that doesn't mean everyone who has trouble explaining it is faking. Some people don't have the words.
Basically, if a person can't give you their experiences in their own unique words, red flag.
I agree. They seem to explain DID as if it's a natural and healthy coping mechanism of the human brain and that it is the natural way of dealing with trauma "safely". For the disorder to be diagnosed according to the very questionable DSM manual which they claim was used to diagnose them, diagnostic criteria 'C' states: 'The symptoms cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning'.
So, in order to be diagnosed the symptoms have to cause the opposite of what they claim they do. They say it is the brain allowing them to function safely and healthily, but the DSM states the symptoms do the opposite. Chloe et al all seem to ignore this key diagnostic criteria.
Disassociation is real, it is a function of the brain to allow the more primitive areas to take over in times of acute stress. It allows us to escape danger without worrying too much about things like pain or fear. Dissociative disorders are considered a misfunction of this system, the response is an over-reaction. It's not the brain figuring out a way to cope, it is the brain not coping. The way they present it as if it's a medically acceptable state of being, almost as if if that's how you cope then embrace it.
As for psychosis, we'll that's not cool, that requires actual medical help and is actually very distressing for the person involved. That doesn't make a lovely video with a nice thumbnail and some fancy merch to go along with it. But if DID does exist, which I don't believe it does as described in the DSM, it also fits the criteria for psychosis. You would be hard pressed to distinguish between someone with psychosis believing they are a ghost or someone with DID believing they are a ghost. The only material difference to the sufferer is one would end up in a secure hospital and the other would be making YouTube videos to "pay the rent". That's because the DID sufferer would be able to switch back to the "host" the minute sectioning under the mental health act is mentioned by a psychiatrist (detention in a secure hospital). It's a very convenient disorder in that regard. So convenient it's used to try and escape jail time for paedophilia and murder.
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Just thought I'd pipe in to share this autistic comment I spotted on the most recent Vangelina Skov video.
For a girl who is attempting to make a living by bitching and being toxic, that's rich.
DID is a lot like Schizophrenia in some ways. Especially hearing voices and not being able to distinguish reality from fantasy that comes with dissociation and alters.
It’s interesting how Chloe doesn’t seem to talk about the terrible “nothing feels real” aspect of dissociation tho. Or maybe she has, but I can’t really remember (in that case my apologies). She makes dissociation seem like a little thing that only occurs during switches.
She also gets extremely defensive over anyone even hinting at her being psychotic. Trisha called her crazy and look at where that lead. Chloe seems to want to have her cake and eat it too. She can’t expect people to treat her as a healthy and completely sane person when her whole channel is centered around her very debilitating mental disorder
Also, I have more info about DID from a psychiatrist. He said that he and multiple other psychiatrists while have encountered patients with DID, they never met anyone genuine with what you’d describe as “classic DID”. It most likely isn’t even real according to him. Classic DID is “Hollywood DID” aka acting and exaggeration. As much as Chloe shits on movies like Split, she portrays the same classic symptoms as the movies do, with all the switching and lots of very diverse, very different alters.
He also said that patients who claim symptoms for classic DID show more signs to HPD.
Though actual DID is one of the hardest disorders for a psychiatrist to work with and to cure. Not because it’s that much of a severe mental illness, but because most patients don’t want to be cured. They get too attached to their alters and to the comfort of escapism. Maybe that’s why (beside the monetary gains and attention) Chloe presents DID as something to be embraced rather than cured
I know this is late and has been discussed earlier, but eh. It’s kinda relevant to HPD
I highly doubt Chloe has BPD. She wouldn’t be as put-together, calculated and “drama-free” as she seems if she had it. There would be a lot more genuine public meltdowns and not just Jade or Kyle saying how hurt their system is for a couple of minutes from time to time
It’s interesting how Chloe doesn’t seem to talk about the terrible “nothing feels real” aspect of dissociation tho. Or maybe she has, but I can’t really remember (in that case my apologies). She makes dissociation seem like a little thing that only occurs during switches.
She also gets extremely defensive over anyone even hinting at her being psychotic. Trisha called her crazy and look at where that lead. Chloe seems to want to have her cake and eat it too. She can’t expect people to treat her as a healthy and completely sane person when her whole channel is centered around her very debilitating mental disorder
Also, I have more info about DID from a psychiatrist. He said that he and multiple other psychiatrists while have encountered patients with DID, they never met anyone genuine with what you’d describe as “classic DID”. It most likely isn’t even real according to him. Classic DID is “Hollywood DID” aka acting and exaggeration. As much as Chloe shits on movies like Split, she portrays the same classic symptoms as the movies do, with all the switching and lots of very diverse, very different alters.
He also said that patients who claim symptoms for classic DID show more signs to HPD.
Though actual DID is one of the hardest disorders for a psychiatrist to work with and to cure. Not because it’s that much of a severe mental illness, but because most patients don’t want to be cured. They get too attached to their alters and to the comfort of escapism. Maybe that’s why (beside the monetary gains and attention) Chloe presents DID as something to be embraced rather than cured
I know this is late and has been discussed earlier, but eh. It’s kinda relevant to HPD
I highly doubt Chloe has BPD. She wouldn’t be as put-together, calculated and “drama-free” as she seems if she had it. There would be a lot more genuine public meltdowns and not just Jade or Kyle saying how hurt their system is for a couple of minutes from time to time
Rice Satay
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I wouldn't be shocked at all if Chloe is still with Nan. She's just as twisted in other ways. Hell, I'll be surprised if she truly does leave Nan. After all that it took to finally have her understand that what Nan did was more than just a bit creepy, it's probably just her public image she's trying to shield rn by keeping the distance.
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Since the well of laughs has run dry I thought I'd present some, oh let's be generous and call it fan "art".
Personally I'd sue over the first one were I Chloe.
I do appreciate that they all captured the crazy eyes perfectly.
Personally I'd sue over the first one were I Chloe.
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I can't see this being the case. I'm sure it was irritating for her to call time on the relationship early as she tried her best to hold on when Nan was first 'exposed' but once public opinion shifted I think she realised she was never going to come out clean if she kept Nan in the picture. I think she shared a lot of kinks with Nan, but she can find another easily manipulatable girlboy to play sneezedaddy as soon as her hiatus is over. It was quite telling that she tried to direct the apology stream and decide when enough was enough - she clearly did her best to salvage the relationship. But now public perception has swung too far out of Nan's court, she'll never go back. It would be career suicide.
They've already been posted.
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Axolotls in a Trenchcoat weighed in on the racism stuff a bit.
This was posted a couple of days ago.
If someone already posted it here, I missed it. However, they touched on the topic again just a little while ago. Which makes me wonder if they approve of Chloe using them as their black friend that says it's okay to be two different, equally offensive kinds of Indian.
This was posted a couple of days ago.
If someone already posted it here, I missed it. However, they touched on the topic again just a little while ago. Which makes me wonder if they approve of Chloe using them as their black friend that says it's okay to be two different, equally offensive kinds of Indian.
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interesting post from axolotl https://archive.li/hXeAr
" being a person of colour, being mixed race, queer presenting, qpoc, bpd, bipolar II... Many ideas. We are looking forward to just being authentically ourselves, like back when we started our channel in 2017, rather than trying to always be on trend with others topics."
Did she just admit/imply and or slip up that the DID is/was a trendy fad?
walter
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I'm not 100% sure but I think she means topics that are trending within the DID community. If you look through the top DID youtubers' videos, they talk about the same things, usually at the same times. If one of them makes a video about the relationships between their alters, then the others follow suit. If one makes a video about the Sims, so does everyone else. I've noticed they also split and integrate together. When one has a split, the others need a piece of that attention and sympathy too, and as soon as possible.
edit: ninja'd. Hi Axolotl!
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The last two, perhaps. The first was a day or two ago. Either way, a great laugh.
Edit: quarantine is making me retarded
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I see your point, but I think it's not unlikely that she's still talking to Nan behind the scenes. A relationship where she is trying to keep it quiet because of fear of public opinion won't be sustainable, but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that they're still in touch, at the very least.
I think M&M mentioned this in a video of hers. Fully integrating/fusing means having to accept trauma and losing your protectors.
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That seems so dangerous to me. At no point during the process of learning to manage your PTSD would a mental health professional suggest you compartmentalize and avoid your trauma. If DID is a survival mechanism of the mind during repeated trauma experienced during its development, why isn't integration the goal?
I mean, I know why it's not the goal for a lot of people. They enjoy LARP'ing and interacting with the community too much. But I really don't get the rational behind living with multiplicity and demanding people accept it like it's a valid lifestyle. In what universe is it acceptable to treat a lifestyle of severe dissociation as an acceptable end goal? Even if you work out a system with your alters, (Which is absurd. These people leave notes and delineate responsibilities like their personality states are characters in a fucking sitcom.) that is absolutely going to prevent you from being a functional and productive member of society.
But you've got Chloe insisting you could be a surgeon while living in that state. There's precious little serious research on DID with consistent findings, never mind this absurd brand of the disorder the online community has. These DID influencers are the closest thing most people have to any kind of authority on the subject, and that just seems so, so dangerous to me. At best, it's offensive with people ignoring all evidence to the contrary and convincing themselves they have trauma they can't remember so they can LARP with friends. At worst, it's sabotaging any kind of recovery for people with PTSD looking for help.
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The hopeful part of this is people with serious issues are usually not looking to an online community or Youtube for guidance and treatment methodology. I've seen some people from Twitter claiming to be PhDs who support the idea that once the trauma is reconciled that treatment is complete and integration isn't necessary but I can't see how telling someone that it's ok to continue to pretend to have headmates is a healthy activity for an individual to use to cope with reality. From what I've seen most of the people clinging to the DID/OSDD community aren't fundamentally damaged individuals, just teens/young adults looking for "other"ness and community and Chloe and her ilk give that a loud voice. There probably aren't enough people that can manage engaging online who have real DID to combat all the misconceptions spread by Chloe and Jess.