Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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Although our governor hasn't been this egregious, she made sure her constituent interests either stayed open as essential or were to first to get approval to go back to work. I realize politicians on both sides do this sort of thing, but it still sucks for the average folks whose employers are closed or operating at less than 100% and hoping to resume full operations as soon as reasonably possible. It certainly does l

In Michigan, they knee-capped all the bars and restaurants immediately, yet the pot shops have remained open the entire time. Is this some sort of trick to keep the population permanently stoned so they lose track of time and not notice that shit has been shut down for over two months? Brave New World, indeed.

Speaking of Huxley and Orwell, I remember in 1984 the goal of the inner party was to simplify language (called newspeak) to the point that there would only be 6 words in total. I remember when twitter came out and they said "this is great, because your posts will only be restricted to 140 characters." And, of course, twitter has proceeded to rot the minds of a generation. It is very telling that the WHO and other globalist shitlords spent more time trying to decide on the "proper" name for Wuhan Bat Flu than actually fighting the fucking thing.
 
March 19, 2020 is a day that will live on in history, lads.

Australia has now reached 100 dead from Coronavirus.

Care home resident dies from coronavirus taking the national death toll to 100


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A resident from the coronavirus-hit care home Newmarch House has died from COVID-19, taking the national death toll to 100.
Alice Bacon became the 19th resident at the facility near Penrith, in Sydney's western suburbs, to die after contracting coronavirus.
Anglicare, the facility's operator, confirmed the 93-year-old passed away on Tuesday morning.

Some 37 residents and 34 staff have tested positive to COVID-19 after a staff member worked for six days with mild respiratory symptoms.
The outbreak, identified on April 11, quickly spiralled out of control, with more than 70 residents and staff members testing positive for the virus.
 
In Michigan, they knee-capped all the bars and restaurants immediately, yet the pot shops have remained open the entire time. Is this some sort of trick to keep the population permanently stoned so they lose track of time and not notice that shit has been shut down for over two months? Brave New World, indeed.
From what I either read in the paper or heard somewhere, pot shops were kept open to be sure people wouldn't face shortages of medical marijuana. Don't get me wrong, I think anyone who needs medicine should be able to have access to it during the shutdown. But allowing the recreational shops to stay open -- even if product has to be delivered curbside or to buyer's residences (no in-store sales) -- seemed more like Whitmer keeping her pro-recreational marijuana constituents happy than an act of compassion for medical marijuana users needing to maintain their supply. It's also interesting that these same pot shops seem to be more prevalent in the hot spots such as Detroit and Flint, and that any sort of smoking seems to increase the risk of contracting COVID-19.

Meanwhile, my job's business clients that are restaurants have been closed for nearly two months with no telling when they might reopen because they're in the same district as a hot spot -- meaning they might be some of the last in the state to reopen so long as the hot spot is keeping the rest of the district's COVID numbers higher than the rest.
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Re: surgical masks/non-respirator styles. It's not really a secret that they don't protect you from catching any virus (not just coronavirus), they're to prevent you from spreading things, not prevent you from catching things.

That's why mask virtue signallers are always like "I wear the mask to protect YOU, not ME". I have my doubts that homemade cloth masks are even very effective at doing that though. They didn't stop the Spanish flu.
 
When business are ready to open up again, those workers earning more from unemployment (thanks to the $600/week Federal portion) than their regular job don't want to go back to work, making it harder for those business to reopen with the necessary staff.

I know every state is different but I found this from New Jersey. Refusing to work because you are scared of covid-19 will result in loss of benefits.



I hope people are dumb enough to try to pull this shit, because the salt flow will be glorious.

*phone rings*
Employee: Hello?
Manager: We are opening next week, see you on Monday.
Employee: Nah man, fuck that. I make more money sitting at home collecting unemployment than working for you.
Manager: Okay, have a nice day. *click*

*two weeks later*

Employee: REEEEEEEE! WHAT THE FUCK?!?!? HOW COME I GOT DENIED UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS?
 
I know every state is different but I found this from New Jersey. Refusing to work because you are scared of covid-19 will result in loss of benefits.



I hope people are dumb enough to try to pull this shit, because the salt flow will be glorious.

*phone rings*
Employee: Hello?
Manager: We are opening next week, see you on Monday.
Employee: Nah man, fuck that. I make more money sitting at home collecting unemployment than working for you.
Manager: Okay, have a nice day. *click*

*two weeks later*

Employee: REEEEEEEE! WHAT THE FUCK?!‽? HOW COME I GOT DENIED UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS?

Pretty sure Iowa and my state are also doing this. Someone I know is refusing to go back to work because they live with someone with a chronic condition, so they’re losing unemployment. Which is exactly what should happen because they’re choosing to be unemployed.

I can’t wait for them to all shriek about how capitalism wants them to die. :story:
 
Re: surgical masks/non-respirator styles. It's not really a secret that they don't protect you from catching any virus (not just coronavirus), they're to prevent you from spreading things, not prevent you from catching things.

That's why mask virtue signallers are always like "I wear the mask to protect YOU, not ME". I have my doubts that homemade cloth masks are even very effective at doing that though. They didn't stop the Spanish flu.
But is it really about stopping it, or just reducing it/slowing it down? I thought it was about the latter. In which case, it makes sense that the more masks that are worn, a big data set will reflect improvement. So no, anecdotally speaking, it will not prevent any individual from being infected, but over a large data set it will reduce/slow down the infection rate. And since there is no vaccine and no cure, that’s what we were told was the thing to do. Slow it down so the same number of infections happen, just over a long period of time.

So I’m good with the masks and I think that if reasonable rational information was put out that said hey no, it isn’t a law, but one infected person using a mask reduces the whatever by whatever %, more reduce it by whatever, then people would understand and enough individuals would decide that sure, I’ll do my part (maybe not today, maybe today I forgot my contacts and I can’t stand wearing one with my glasses, but maybe tomorrow and the next day, and maybe not the day after that) that it would have positive impact because “sometimes” actually IS good enough if enough people do “sometimes,” since this is about hundreds of millions of people, not just you or me.
 
I know every state is different but I found this from New Jersey. Refusing to work because you are scared of covid-19 will result in loss of benefits.



I hope people are dumb enough to try to pull this shit, because the salt flow will be glorious.

*phone rings*
Employee: Hello?
Manager: We are opening next week, see you on Monday.
Employee: Nah man, fuck that. I make more money sitting at home collecting unemployment than working for you.
Manager: Okay, have a nice day. *click*

*two weeks later*

Employee: REEEEEEEE! WHAT THE FUCK?!‽? HOW COME I GOT DENIED UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS?

The more I read about the US benefits system the more clear it is that, as flawed as it is, it is much saner than the UK one.
 
I know every state is different but I found this from New Jersey. Refusing to work because you are scared of covid-19 will result in loss of benefits.



I hope people are dumb enough to try to pull this shit, because the salt flow will be glorious.

*phone rings*
Employee: Hello?
Manager: We are opening next week, see you on Monday.
Employee: Nah man, fuck that. I make more money sitting at home collecting unemployment than working for you.
Manager: Okay, have a nice day. *click*

*two weeks later*

Employee: REEEEEEEE! WHAT THE FUCK?!‽? HOW COME I GOT DENIED UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS?
That's just for NJ Paid Leave and Unemployment. If you are denied (a determination has been made), you then move on from State unemployment to the application for the Federal ($600 per week). I am in limbo now because I stayed home voluntarily and my status with the State is "A determination needs to be made." I was born with diminished lung capacity due to a hole in my fucking chest. I have heard nothing from UI so I plan to quit Friday because I take two buses to work and they are nasty AF. That will put my State determination into "Denied", then I start the process for Federal, that, I quit due strictly because of COVID-19. Right now I have heard nothing from my employer about my status or my claim, so I will be the one to pull the trigger with the State and move on to claim Federal.

See our State's attachment re: Federal PUA insurance:

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See the points about "Quit job as a direct result of Covid-19" and "Otherwise not qualified for regular or extended UI benefits and effected by Covid-19." That's what I'm going to file under. The State will direct me to that portion of the site when I get my final determination re: State benefits, hence my quitting so I can move forward. You cannot do so while you're waiting.
 
Again with the prepper food hoarding victory-garden thing. Stahp. It isn't happening.

The issue consumers will face going forward is bottlenecks for high-end foods (notably animal products) because of safety protocols at processors. That's it. Access to basic items like grain/flour/meal, produce, salt, spices, legumes, etc will not be interrupted.

These basic foodstuffs are not going to become scarce or prohibitively expensive. The opposite is going to happen. Think about what's happening to oil right now, it's same thing with food. Grain elevators, cold storage facilities, vegetable cellars, coops, sties, and pastures are going to be full to the brim with food that they can't sell at a decent price in the fall because there is a global recession and demand fell off a goddamn cliff (also likely a Trade War with China).

Willie Nelson better start tuning his guitar because Farm Aid is really going to be needed next year. Farmers are fucked. Processors are panicking. Consumers are fine as long as they can cook from scratch. Got it?
Can you back this up at all?

Food is pretty much the textbook example of inelastic demand. It's not a luxury good. Food prices usually rise during a recession.
Prices of unnecessary shit will drop, prices of materials used in investing - steel, oil etc will drop. But shop prices for food will rise.

8 Billion people still need the same amount of food whether we're in recession or boom . Those grain elevators, cold storage facilities, vegetable cellars, coops, sties, and pastures are going to be full to the brim with food that they can't get to the usual markets with the same ease. So producers will suffer , and end purchasers will suffer. Skilled middlemen might make a killing though.

So , there's my own proof by vigorous assertion.

Actually, I'm not sure about any of this. I don't think it's simple either way. I just felt like stating the opposite side. I think a terrible recession would lead to lower incomes and lower headline food prices, hence less affordability.
 
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Can you back this up at all?

Food is pretty much the textbook example of inelastic demand. It's not a luxury good. Food prices usually rise during a recession.
Prices of unnecessary shit will drop, prices of materials used in investing - steel, oil etc will drop. But shop prices for food will rise.

8 Billion people still need the same amount of food whether we're in recession or boom . Those grain elevators, cold storage facilities, vegetable cellars, coops, sties, and pastures are going to be full to the brim with food that they can't get to the usual markets with the same ease. So producers will suffer , and end purchasers will suffer. Skilled middlemen might make a killing though.

So , there's my own proof by vigorous assertion.

Actually, I'm not sure about any of this. I don't think it's simple either way. I just felt like stating the opposite side. I think a terrible recession would lead to lower incomes and lower headline food prices, hence less affordability.

The price of food during recessions depends greatly of the job performed by NGOs and the type of country in question. Spain has seen food prices lowered in some recessions. But that's because as the luxury food exports like galician meats push their price down as their exports are cut they start competing with local distributors and since the NGOs operating here already know their tricks (for instance, offer supermarkets low prices for things that they will have to throw to the bin that day. Some sellers go as far as donating them freely just because they know not donating results in dumoster divers being around them which rises criminality and lowers hygiene. So they see donations as basically a way of pest control.) So they don't rise the prices as much. However with for instance this crisis, our consumption and export of some vegies has actually increased due to other countries going to shit, which has risen the prices, specially of brocoli for some fucking reason. Meanwhile I didn't use meat for no reason, as meat prices have indeed gone down during the covid crisis. So its not even consistent based on crisis, it's just a case by case deal for each type of product.

Looking at burgerland, the biggest factor in food price will be the exports to china. So I expect food prices to drop considerably as it's fairly obvious pacific commerce is about to go to shit. But how good the NGOs, sellers and local governors are at dealing with the issue will greatly affect the change. And if food manufacturers start falling like what seems to be happening in meat plants it can quickly exponentially rise prices. Question also involves where your labor comes from. For instance, during this crisis gov has helped finance farms due to how little farmers are usualy paid. As spanish farmers go work all over europe spanish farms tend to get moroccan labor, same as Italy, had the government not aided farms they'd need to pay as much as german and british farms, which would've risen prices considerably. On the other hand food price also depends on the price of petrol in great proportion, as oil is used to power all the harvesting and transporting machinery, and with oil prices plummeting that greatly lowers prices.

Point is. Too many factors. Too many variables. Too many ways for the government to do it well or fuck it up. It's hard to predict.
 
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