Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[booklover]

With a name spelled as re.tarded as that, you can just tell that the family is unadulterated white trash (why these kinds of folk spell common names in the most stupid way possible is beyond me, any kiwis that have been around white trash for a long time please tell me).

Glad to see we got another kailyn-esque tard cow.

Actually, this sounds like a "normal" girl who has a fanatical stage mom. No way does Lillee Jean have Williams syndrome; I have known a couple people personally who had it, and once you see it, you don't forget it. I should add that people with WS are very friendly and often have musical aptitude that is way out of proportion to their intellectual deficits.

I've made no secret I have a family member with severe Autism. This mom is doing a good job and the daughter honestly isn't that extreme. I've seen kids kick out windows over a Happy Meal (though thankfully, not my family member. They're pretty chill and if they do have a meltdown, he isn't destructive or harmful to himself or anyone else). The girl may be nineteen, but mentally & emotionally, she isn't.

That being said, I try not to judge people who say "I could never live like this" because that's fair. It isn't a life for everyone. To a lot of people, living with a severely disabled child is terrifying. But I would only ask that you try not to judge the parents who are doing the best they can for themselves, their families and their child.

And I understand being terrified of having children with disabilities. That's why I've made the choice not to have kids. Not only would I be considered a geriatric pregnancy, but since I have a close family member with Autism, the chances of my having one increases, due to family history and age.

I remember a family who attended the same church as me in my old town, and they had a son who was about 5 years old and was "autistic." (He was later determined to have a rare metabolic disorder that causes autism-like symptoms.) Anyway, the parents in his Sunday School class, and the teacher, had to tell the parents that this boy could not be in SS with their kids, because he thought it was very funny to constantly pinch the other kids, and no amount of redirection, etc. could get him to stop. It broke their hearts to do this, because they knew these parents were doing the best they could.

The parents left the church, and that wasn't all bad because she was in charge of picking the songs for the contemporary service (i.e. where we sant CCM songs instead of hymns) and she picked the most terrible music.

 

[Enoby Way]

Actually, this sounds like a "normal" girl who has a fanatical stage mom. No way does Lillee Jean have Williams syndrome; I have known a couple people personally who had it, and once you see it, you don't forget it. I should add that people with WS are very friendly and often have musical aptitude that is way out of proportion to their intellectual deficits.

Interesting to hear you have known people (i assume adults) with it, that's more experience than I have. She really doesn't look like other adults with WS and she has an extremely fake and shallow affect rather than friendly, which were points I brought up but were ignored because everyone in that thread is sick to death of discussing WS. If they could point out adults with WS who don't look like they have WS and/or who aren't very genuinely friendly, even anecdotal evidence, I'd change my mind pretty quickly but it just doesn't seem to add up. Idk what to do, i would like a thorough discussion on it but it's just going to shit up the thread at this point.

 

[Allo Vera]

a lot of woo people think ultrasounds do something to the fetus during pregnancy and opt to turn down this completely harmless form of testing

Yup. And yet she says they had “genetic testing” in the first trimester (either the triple test or NIPT test, which is done using maternal blood. Somehow I doubt she opted for an amino - you need ultrasound for that) so she’s not one of those virtue-signalling types who say “We didn’t want testing because we’d continue the pregnancy no matter what!”

Usually, if pregnant women are going to refuse anything, they refuse the tests and agree to ultrasounds. She did it the other way around.

Photos of that baby with the massive head and upturned eyelids reminded me of the U.K. baby with severe hydrocephalus and very, very stupid parents. Any update on him? Think his name was Lorenzo.

 

[Maggots on a Train v2]

The key is to NOT FEED INTO IT. Once they're overwhelmed like that, adding to it doesnt help. It can be hard to not feed it sometimes, though, and it's hard to not take it personally. The mom didnt do that badly, but definitely should just teach the kid that if she acts like that, it's the back seat. Immediately. No ifs ands or butts.

And if that scares you, that's not even that bad of autism.

Yeah, somebody needs to teach her to immediately drop any subject that agitates the kid. Change the subject completely, do not bring it up again. A child like that can't be soothed by talking about her problems. Just drop it and talk about lunch or dinner.

 

[Blonde Bomb]

I remember a family who attended the same church as me in my old town, and they had a son who was about 5 years old and was "autistic." (He was later determined to have a rare metabolic disorder that causes autism-like symptoms.) Anyway, the parents in his Sunday School class, and the teacher, had to tell the parents that this boy could not be in SS with their kids, because he thought it was very funny to constantly pinch the other kids, and no amount of redirection, etc. could get him to stop. It broke their hearts to do this, because they knew these parents were doing the best they could.

The parents left the church, and that wasn't all bad because she was in charge of picking the songs for the contemporary service (i.e. where we sant CCM songs instead of hymns) and she picked the most terrible music.

If you go back & read some of my previous posts. I mentioned that my family does put my nephew (I'll just say it) into social situations, but we don't do it to the extent where it will ruin other people's experiences. There's no sense in getting him upset & making others uncomfortable. It's a balance. We aren't going to force him to sit through a movie in a theatre, but we will take him grocery shopping. He may fuss a bit, but we're lucky in that he isn't runner, he's pretty content with his iPad & he won't throw things from shelves or scream. I know it's odd to say "we're lucky" with a kid who will need life-long care, but we are in the sense that he isn't destructive or violent. But it's different for each family. Yes, you and your child absolutely have the right to exist in society...but I also think you need to take other people's feelings and needs into consideration.

 

[Android raptor]

Personally I think people who feel the need to record their kids having meltdowns and put it publically on the internet are shady AF. Not only is it iffy privacy wise for the kid, but what even is the point other than so the parent can get asspats? I feel like people who do that shit just want to exploit their kids so everyone will pat them on the ass for being super special awesome warrior parents. Those types tend to also get really, really nasty to disabled people who are understandibly concerned (seriously if you want a Karen to slip into your DMs and call you a cunt there's no faster way than to be a disabled person who questions the shit a non-disabled parent with a disabled kid does).

I get that raising a disabled kid is hard, but some stuff is better to keep private.

 

[Rescuetoast]

Personally I think people who feel the need to record their kids having meltdowns and put it publically on the internet are shady AF. Not only is it iffy privacy wise for the kid, but what even is the point other than so the parent can get asspats? I feel like people who do that shit just want to exploit their kids so everyone will pat them on the ass for being super special awesome warrior parents. Those types tend to also get really, really nasty to disabled people who are understandibly concerned (seriously if you want a Karen to slip into your DMs and call you a cunt there's no faster way than to be a disabled person who questions the shit a non-disabled parent with a disabled kid does).

I get that raising a disabled kid is hard, but some stuff is better to keep private.

You’re absolutely right. Autism mom Facebook groups are fucking horrifying. People post shit like videos of their severely disabled sons doing normal teenage boy body exploring and complain about it. It’s really awful.

 

[Android raptor]

You’re absolutely right. Autism mom Facebook groups are fucking horrifying. People post shit like videos of their severely disabled sons doing normal teenage boy body exploring and complain about it. It’s really awful.

Yeah I've mentioned before but a good rule of thumb is if you wouldn't post stuff about a non-disabled kid like that, you shouldnt do it with a disabled one. Posting about kids toilet habits or them in the bath and shit especially is getting into borderline CP territory on top of being gross and unnecessary.

Autism Moms are a bit different than fundie potato parents but they're still awful. With the fundie potato parents I think they do generally love their kids (albeit in horribly misguided ways), while as with Autism Moms I think they just see their kids as objects to exploit in order to get praise, pity, and attention.

 

[Moronic Spletonic]

No ultrasounds? Ffs this is why we can't have nice things. I was so ready to feel sorry for Luna's mom but now I know she didn't do the BASIC shit. Bring me my top hat, for I am mad as hell on the internet. I shall wear it with pride.

And what is it with assigning random things to causing autism? Vaccines, ultrasounds... how are any of these connected to each other let alone autism. Why is autism the thing its said to cause, too, why not another condition?

Imagine thinking it's better to have a kid with polio or spina bifida than to have a kid with autism. Christ.

 

[TheWhiteRabbit]

Yeah, somebody needs to teach her to immediately drop any subject that agitates the kid. Change the subject completely, do not bring it up again. A child like that can't be soothed by talking about her problems. Just drop it and talk about lunch or dinner.

That’s something she did that I kept questioning. Although she knew that there was more going on than being deprived of a slurpee, the slurpee was the thing that tipped her over the edge. I don’t have much experience with autists like that but I would think that distraction & shifting her focus on something calming would be better.

As far as the violent kids on the spectrum, I think that a lot of parents make excuses while they’re children then once they’re full grown adults with the functionality & same behavior issues as when they were kids, they don’t know what to do. British celeb Katie Price is a good example for this. Her first child was a blind, autistic kid with Prader-Willi syndrome named Harvey. Prader-Willi makes a person’s hunger insatiable. They can never tell when they’re full & will basically eat themselves to death without restrictions. I saw some interviews when he was younger that she had to lock up food but that he would get violent & basically destroy the house to gain access to food. He was something like 312lbs around 12yo. Throughout her 3 failed marriages, Katie continued to insist that she would always be Harvey’s caretaker & she’d never put him in any facility, even after she had four more kids. The last interview I saw, she’d finally put Harvey in residential care after her other four kids’ safety became an issue. They were so terrified of their brother that they rarely would even visit. She rattled off all of the things he frequently destroyed - windows, TVs, computers, iPads, etc anytime he wasn’t given his way (mostly about food). It was apparent that by the time she’d finally put him in residential care, she’d already let him go to the point that his behavior had basically destroyed her relationships with her other four kids. It seems like situations like that happen a lot with families that have multiple children & one profound tater. The parent(s) have to focus so much time & energy keeping the tater as comfortable & happy as possible that the other kids end up feeling neglected & resentful. If you want an example, just look at any pictures of Kayli Whistler that include her brothers.

As far as baby Luna, did she keep up with the checkup schedule? I’ve seen that she’s both said Luna was a normal, healthy baby for 3mos & also that her condition could’ve been picked up on had she got ultrasounds. Which is it? Did it develop months after birth or was it something that presented at birth & was just overlooked or ignored? If it really didn’t present until 3mos, I’m wondering what they think caused it? I’ve read that it can be caused by injury or something seemingly simple like sinus issues. It just seems like there are a lot of inconsistencies (not saying they caused it).

 

[Enoby Way]

Personally I think people who feel the need to record their kids having meltdowns and put it publically on the internet are shady AF.

Shit you're right. I remember wondering why there was a video of this and how it got on the internet and then completely forgot about it. That is really quite, well yeah, shady.

Imagine thinking it's better to have a kid with polio or spina bifida than to have a kid with autism. Christ.

Yeah, especially since at least autism can be super mild and deal-with-able. As a large chunk of our membership would attest.

 

[Dysnomia]

lord jesus just kill me right fuckin now if any of my future or current children have autism, or really any life altering disability. i could not handle this kind of shit.... i at first thought this mom was extreme but i could absolutely not be any nicer to this overgrown idiot. i would have given her up to an orphanage years ago. especially once the rere strength kicks in and they outgrow u and become physically abusive. byeeee

I would be terrified too. I don’t want to end up wrangling a 200 lb gorillatard and I feel bad for any parent who has to.

 

[MysticMisty]

Usually, if pregnant women are going to refuse anything, they refuse the tests and agree to ultrasounds. She did it the other way around.

Maybe she's an idiot and thinks that ultrasounds are only for taking pictures of peanut-sized embryos to show off, and sex identification. Otherwise I've got nothing.

 

[Allo Vera]

British celeb Katie Price is a good example for this. Her first child was a blind, autistic kid with Prader-Willi syndrome named Harvey. Prader-Willi makes a person’s hunger insatiable. They can never tell when they’re full & will basically eat themselves to death without restrictions. I saw some interviews when he was younger that she had to lock up food but that he would get violent & basically destroy the house to gain access to food. He was something like 312lbs around 12yo.

The suspicious thing about Harvey Price’s PW syndrome is Katie didn’t announce his diagnosis until he was relatively old, and for an attention whore like her that was surprising. Thanks to a couple of U.K. documentaries that stuck in the public imagination, everyone seems to think that the syndrome presents as a morbidly obese, relentlessly hungry child. In fact, it presents in infancy with floppy muscle tone and feeding problems, and the overeating comes later. I’ve often wondered whether Katie made up the PW diagnosis as an excuse for Harvey’s size (and for sympathy and attention, which is like oxygen for Katie). The other suspicious thing? People with PW are shorter than average, whereas Harvey is absolutely huge. I honestly think his obesity is due to being badly and chaotically parented by his mother, who has... lots of issues.

 

[GenociderSyo]

That’s something she did that I kept questioning. Although she knew that there was more going on than being deprived of a slurpee, the slurpee was the thing that tipped her over the edge. I don’t have much experience with autists like that but I would think that distraction & shifting her focus on something calming would be better.

There are multiple ways to redirect and de-escalate. But many people don't want to change their "precious angels" and state therapys taht teach that want their children to be normal and not their unique selfs.

As for the prader willi syndrome there used to be a really good documentary online called "Can't stop eating" (All i can find now is the children version of it) about a residential hospital JUST for prader willi. One of the people in it died because he literally ate until his stomach ruptured.

 

[Cheesegirl78]

The suspicious thing about Harvey Price’s PW syndrome is Katie didn’t announce his diagnosis until he was relatively old, and for an attention whore like her that was surprising. Thanks to a couple of U.K. documentaries that stuck in the public imagination, everyone seems to think that the syndrome presents as a morbidly obese, relentlessly hungry child. In fact, it presents in infancy with floppy muscle tone and feeding problems, and the overeating comes later. I’ve often wondered whether Katie made up the PW diagnosis as an excuse for Harvey’s size (and for sympathy and attention, which is like oxygen for Katie). The other suspicious thing? People with PW are shorter than average, whereas Harvey is absolutely huge. I honestly think his obesity is due to being badly and chaotically parented by his mother, who has... lots of issues.

D-Listed used to post stuff about Katie often, and I remember a video with her, her husband and Harvey, and Harvey was acting like a complete brat, while Katie and her husband were laughing about it.
There were always rumors that she partied HARD before she knew she was pregnant with him, (and even after) and that's why he's disabled. I seem to recall that's one of the points Harvey's biological father brought up.

 

[allthecheese]

That’s something she did that I kept questioning. Although she knew that there was more going on than being deprived of a slurpee, the slurpee was the thing that tipped her over the edge. I don’t have much experience with autists like that but I would think that distraction & shifting her focus on something calming would be better.

As far as the violent kids on the spectrum, I think that a lot of parents make excuses while they’re children then once they’re full grown adults with the functionality & same behavior issues as when they were kids, they don’t know what to do. British celeb Katie Price is a good example for this. Her first child was a blind, autistic kid with Prader-Willi syndrome named Harvey. Prader-Willi makes a person’s hunger insatiable. They can never tell when they’re full & will basically eat themselves to death without restrictions. I saw some interviews when he was younger that she had to lock up food but that he would get violent & basically destroy the house to gain access to food. He was something like 312lbs around 12yo. Throughout her 3 failed marriages, Katie continued to insist that she would always be Harvey’s caretaker & she’d never put him in any facility, even after she had four more kids. The last interview I saw, she’d finally put Harvey in residential care after her other four kids’ safety became an issue. They were so terrified of their brother that they rarely would even visit. She rattled off all of the things he frequently destroyed - windows, TVs, computers, iPads, etc anytime he wasn’t given his way (mostly about food). It was apparent that by the time she’d finally put him in residential care, she’d already let him go to the point that his behavior had basically destroyed her relationships with her other four kids. It seems like situations like that happen a lot with families that have multiple children & one profound tater. The parent(s) have to focus so much time & energy keeping the tater as comfortable & happy as possible that the other kids end up feeling neglected & resentful. If you want an example, just look at any pictures of Kayli Whistler that include her brothers.

As far as baby Luna, did she keep up with the checkup schedule? I’ve seen that she’s both said Luna was a normal, healthy baby for 3mos & also that her condition could’ve been picked up on had she got ultrasounds. Which is it? Did it develop months after birth or was it something that presented at birth & was just overlooked or ignored? If it really didn’t present until 3mos, I’m wondering what they think caused it? I’ve read that it can be caused by injury or something seemingly simple like sinus issues. It just seems like there are a lot of inconsistencies (not saying they caused it).

Yeah, I hate that PW has become just a shield for fat activists to hide behind. They seem to think the overeating is the only symptom, so any article about a morbidly obese kid, there will be tons of comments of "It could be PW!!" It probably isn't, if there aren't tone issues and cognitive issues, that ain't it.
One case where I think PW COULD have been a factor, and haven't seen it brought up, was there was a case in TX of a foster mom who had a child under her care die from an overdose of salt. She maintained that he had several issues, and they had to keep food locked up, as he had pica, but somehow, she's in jail for his murder. Reading it, it sounded a hell of a lot like PW to me.
Here's the case.

Hannah Overton Articles – Texas Monthly

Hannah Overton, a Corpus Christi mother of five, was convicted of capital murder in 2007 for the death of her four-year-old foster-child Andrew Burd.

www.texasmonthly.com

It does look like she was finally exonerated.

4-Year-Old Boy Died From Salt Poisoning — But What Is It?

In 2007, Texas mother Hannah Overton was convicted of murdering 4-year-old Andrew Burd, a boy she and her family were fostering and had planned to adopt. She served seven years in prison for his...

www.simplemost.com

 

[latter day taint]

Yeah, I hate that PW has become just a shield for fat activists to hide behind. They seem to think the overeating is the only symptom, so any article about a morbidly obese kid, there will be tons of comments of "It could be PW!!" It probably isn't, if there aren't tone issues and cognitive issues, that ain't it.
One case where I think PW COULD have been a factor, and haven't seen it brought up, was there was a case in TX of a foster mom who had a child under her care die from an overdose of salt. She maintained that he had several issues, and they had to keep food locked up, as he had pica, but somehow, she's in jail for his murder. Reading it, it sounded a hell of a lot like PW to me.
Here's the case.

Hannah Overton Articles – Texas Monthly

Hannah Overton, a Corpus Christi mother of five, was convicted of capital murder in 2007 for the death of her four-year-old foster-child Andrew Burd.

www.texasmonthly.com

It does look like she was finally exonerated.

4-Year-Old Boy Died From Salt Poisoning — But What Is It?

In 2007, Texas mother Hannah Overton was convicted of murdering 4-year-old Andrew Burd, a boy she and her family were fostering and had planned to adopt. She served seven years in prison for his...

www.simplemost.com

Pica is super common in foster kids. It's so common it's in the curriculum for foster parents in some states. It comes from a combination of neglect and malnutrition.

 

[booklover]

Pica is super common in foster kids. It's so common it's in the curriculum for foster parents in some states. It comes from a combination of neglect and malnutrition.

It's also very common in vegans of any age (they often do not realize that they are doing this) and in people on the autism spectrum.

I realize it's not my decision, but there are some situations where institutionalization really is the right thing to do, not just for the disabled person, but for those who love them.

 

[Enoby Way]

I think the main problem everyone had with that mad on the internet post was that they didn't do a very good job of distinguishing between mild autism and other kinds of autism.

There are absolutely autistic people who cannot safely be cared for in the home, and whose quality of life will not change in ways noticeable to them, where the best place for them and their families, especially the siblings, is in professional care. Too often it goes on too long and does a lot of traumatic damage to everyone around them.

But this person didn't say it was only them, implying one day they might say "oh my kid has some comparatively mild social difficulty and a special interest? THROW THAT FUCKIN WASTE OF LIFE IN A HOME".

Plus they got very MOTI and it was awkward to watch.