Social Justice Warriors - Now With Less Feminism Sperging

[Jarolleon]

Several things on that list sound more offensive when coming from a supposed “sensitivity reader”. Especially that last one; how is it that black people are still obligated to listen to hip hop as a part of their racial identity?

More to the point, why aren't SJWs still running with 'Blacks made all your favourite music, suck on that racists!"? Maybe they want to maintain the fantasy that they're poor, helpless and oppressed.

 

[GaddafyTheLooneyDuck]

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Gave me flashbacks of that King Of The Hill episode.

 

[KyouKasoya]

While dogs can be racist because of their owners, it is absolutely ridiculous to assume that a dog is barking at you because it thinks you are inferior to white people. First thing you do when a dog barks at you is wonder if maybe your appearance, regardless of your skin color, might be a stress factor for it.

 

[Cosmug]

That's the only winning strategy! Having once been one myself, I can safely say that there is no dignity in being a self-hating white person. Minorities will hate you no matter what. Especially blacks. Whether online or offline, self-hating whites think being unconditionally submissive to minorities will make them "one of the good ones." Naturally, black nationalists don't give a fuck if you're on their side or not. If you're white, you're the villain like you guys are saying.

Speaking as someone whose first encounters with this white guilt stuff were when I moved closer to the east coast, I can confirm it takes an utter psychopath to enjoy it. Psychopath non-whites get a free shot of self-esteem out of hating whitey trained to respond like a kicked dog, and psychopath whites who push it only really do so out of similar self-serving reasons. The bottom line is that no one who actually likes you is going to encourage self-hatred.
Also self-degrading behavior is disgusting.

 

[Jarolleon]

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Strangely, the greatest prevalence of homophobic attitudes is found amongst blacks, MENA, and Near Eastern men, regardless of where they live.

Gee, it's almost as if the British colonized places filled with Muslims, Sub-Saharan Africans, or both. I'm guessing that they were "put into place under British rule" because the locals were gay-bashing already but didn't have a well-defined nationwide legal system, and standardising the laws of a region is a good source of prestige for any governor.

 

[The Curmudgeon]

The big thing is that your average well-adjusted black/native/etc. By and large do find the whole white guilt stuff to be nothing more than a bunch of useless masterbatory tryhard grandstanding. The ones that don't and try to egg you on about it do so purely because they get something out of it, whether it's monetary gain or schadenfreude from watching you beg and squirm

In any event, good to see you broke out of that bullshit

I understand. There are decent people among minority groups who don't buy into racial nationalism. Ultimately, nothing hurts white people more than white guilt. Self-hating whites encourage or ignore racism coming from minorities. They also are quick to throw other whites under the bus. From my own observations and experiences, self-hating whites are the biggest oppressors of whites in the West. While the angry racial nationalists from minority groups would certainly have no qualms about oppressing and genociding whites if or when they're given the opportunity, the only ones who can truly enable them in this part of the world are self-hating whites driven by white guilt. If these same self-hating whites are going to encourage racism among minorities, they why are they complaining about white nationalism? It's the same difference.

I'd be interested to hear more about this (especially the learning about history given all the revisionism in both pop culture and academia). I want to learn more about cults that overtake much of the mainstream culture and how people get out/resist them.

Sure, since you're interested! Learning about history changed my perspective because I realized that whites aren't the only ones who are capable of doing evil. All groups of humans have done evil, petty, stupid shit over history.

With blacks, it was interesting to learn that those black African kingdoms and tribes in West and Central Africa proactively participated in the Atlantic slave trade. They weren't passive victims like I was told growing up. It blew my mind even more learning that these same peoples were already slave trading with Arabs long before whites showed up. Also, most of these peoples benefitted from their interactions with whites and Arabs. Just like anyone else, black Africans would conquer, genocide, and oppress each other without any whites or Arabs involved.

As far as blacks in the US go, it was quite the revelation that, while it wasn't common, blacks had no problems with being slave owners too. Blacks also had no problems with participating in Manifest Destiny or teaming up with whites against Asians. Once again, it turns out blacks weren't the passive, innocent perpetual victims they were claimed to be. Then there's the fact that most American blacks outright refused offers to expatriate to black majority countries like Haiti and Liberia when they were given the opportunity.

Just like with blacks, it was interesting to learn that the American Indians also did the same things as other peoples around the world. Long before whites showed up, they also conquered, genocided, and oppressed each other. Also just like blacks, none of that shit stopped even after whites came into the scene.

American Indians slaughtered white settlers in copious amounts. They were hardly passive victims. They also had no problems with keeping black slaves or betraying other tribes when it benefitted them.

After all this, there's the fact that no matter how many apologies and concessions that whites give to blacks and American Indians, they still insist on holding their grudges. Meanwhile, when they're left to their own devices with few or no whites around, black and American Indian communities tend to be backwards shitholes. They have no shame or self-awareness. They don't need whites around to make them miserable. They do plenty of that on their own. In fact, I've come to my own conclusion that many modern problems in the black and American Indian communities are self-inflicted. Some of their problems might have pre-existed white people, but none of them will ever be honest about it.

I'll step off my soapbox now. Thank you for hearing me out!

 

[Hux]

I understand. There are decent people among minority groups who don't buy into racial nationalism. Ultimately, nothing hurts white people more than white guilt. Self-hating whites encourage or ignore racism coming from minorities. They also are quick to throw other whites under the bus. From my own observations and experiences, self-hating whites are the biggest oppressors of whites in the West. While the angry racial nationalists from minority groups would certainly have no qualms about oppressing and genociding whites if or when they're given the opportunity, the only ones who can truly enable them in this part of the world are self-hating whites driven by white guilt. If these same self-hating whites are going to encourage racism among minorities, they why are they complaining about white nationalism? It's the same difference.



Sure, since you're interested! Learning about history changed my perspective because I realized that whites aren't the only ones who are capable of doing evil. All groups of humans have done evil, petty, stupid shit over history.

With blacks, it was interesting to learn that those black African kingdoms and tribes in West and Central Africa proactively participated in the Atlantic slave trade. They weren't passive victims like I was told growing up. It blew my mind even more learning that these same peoples were already slave trading with Arabs long before whites showed up. Also, most of these peoples benefitted from their interactions with whites and Arabs. Just like anyone else, black Africans would conquer, genocide, and oppress each other without any whites or Arabs involved.

As far as blacks in the US go, it was quite the revelation that, while it wasn't common, blacks had no problems with being slave owners too. Blacks also had no problems with participating in Manifest Destiny or teaming up with whites against Asians. Once again, it turns out blacks weren't the passive, innocent perpetual victims they were claimed to be. Then there's the fact that most American blacks outright refused offers to expatriate to black majority countries like Haiti and Liberia when they were given the opportunity.

Just like with blacks, it was interesting to learn that the American Indians also did the same things as other peoples around the world. Long before whites showed up, they also conquered, genocided, and oppressed each other. Also just like blacks, none of that shit stopped even after whites came into the scene.

American Indians slaughtered white settlers in copious amounts. They were hardly passive victims. They also had no problems with keeping black slaves or betraying other tribes when it benefitted them.

After all this, there's the fact that no matter how many apologies and concessions that whites give to blacks and American Indians, they still insist on holding their grudges. Meanwhile, when they're left to their own devices with few or no whites around, black and American Indian communities tend to be backwards shitholes. They have no shame or self-awareness. They don't need whites around to make them miserable. They do plenty of that on their own. In fact, I've come to my own conclusion that many modern problems in the black and American Indian communities are self-inflicted. Some of their problems might have pre-existed white people, but none of them will ever be honest about it.

I'll step off my soapbox now. Thank you for hearing me out!

Two things I always say pertaining to this:

1) White Guilt is just the updated, modernized version of White Man's Burden with an extra dash of fake masochism and self-degredation; both concepts share the exact same core message of "We whites are the superior civilized master race whereas these darkies are nothing but savage adultchildren with no sense of agency. Thus, we must take it upon our superior selves to eternally coddle them in order to save them from themselves."

2) If everyone on Earth gained a comprehensive knowledge of their family lineage, we'd all come to find out we're the direct decendent of at least one person who was a complete and total fucking dickhead unworthy of the life that was given to them and just happened to have had offspring out of sheer dumb luck, so why go pointing fingers at people for the shit that one ancestor did now? Glass houses and all that

 

[Tismguide]

Sure, since you're interested! Learning about history changed my perspective because I realized that whites aren't the only ones who are capable of doing evil. All groups of humans have done evil, petty, stupid shit over history.

It's funny because they could just argue that "yes, this sort of evil is widespread throughout history, but European colonialism is the most relevant one in shaping present day America/Europe, and white/non-white is its legacy", and have a considerably more defensible position. To the extent it's deliberate, I tend to think it's because they want whites to develop a racial identity so they'll feel personal responsibility for that history. White nationalism to own the white nationalists.

 

[The Curmudgeon]

Two things I always say pertaining to this:

1) White Guilt is just the updated, modernized version of White Man's Burden with an extra dash of fake masochism and self-degredation; both concepts share the exact same core message of "We whites are the superior civilized master race whereas these darkies are nothing but savage adultchildren with no sense of agency. Thus, we must take it upon our superior selves to eternally coddle them in order to save them from themselves."

2) If everyone on Earth gained a comprehensive knowledge of their family lineage, we'd all come to find out we're the direct decendent of at least one person who was a complete and total fucking dickhead unworthy of the life that was given to them and just happened to have had offspring out of sheer dumb luck, so why go pointing fingers at people for the shit that one ancestor did now? Glass houses and all that

Exactly concerning white guilt. These are the same people who live in gated communities while lecturing working class whites about how evil and racist they are. God forbid they treat minorities like adults! How dare anyone expect them to be responsible for their actions!

It's funny because they could just argue that "yes, this sort of evil is widespread throughout history, but European colonialism is the most relevant one in shaping present day America/Europe, and white/non-white is its legacy", and have a considerably more defensible position. To the extent it's deliberate, I tend to think it's because they want whites to develop a racial identity so they'll feel personal responsibility for that history. White nationalism to own the white nationalists.

I see what you mean. To a point, they're right that European colonialism shaped our modern world. However, it wasn't universally bad and it doesn't change the fact that minorities and non-white nations made their own deliberate contributions that aided European colonialism. I know you understand that, I'm just saying I would tell them that. I have too, both online and offline!

For instance, the ex-professor friend I mentioned many pages ago in this thread didn't have any good retorts when I showed him via email that Mexico not only aggressively enforces its own immigration laws, but that the mestizo majority of Mexico is openly racist to full blooded American Indians and blacks. It contradicted the narrative he's latched onto. So naturally, because he couldn't find any good explanations for what I told him, he just concluded that I'm racist.

 

[TowinKarz]

I see what you mean. To a point, they're right that European colonialism shaped our modern world. However, it wasn't universally bad and it doesn't change the fact that minorities and non-white nations made their own deliberate contributions that aided European colonialism. I know you understand that, I'm just saying I would tell them that. I have too, both online and offline!

Also, the "Evil Colonialism" mythos is built on the false idea that had the roles been reversed, had North America or Africa gotten the 100 year technological edge over Europe, the exact same things would not have happened, that North American Indians would not have sailed East, found a "new world" and claimed it.

The same things would have happened , just to different people. There still would have been colonization, slavery, exploitation of resources, mass death from pestilence that would have found a group of people with no resistance to it, etc etc etc

There would be no Noble Conquerors any more than there were(n't) Noble Savages

The first group to figure out how to cross oceans and land on a new shore equipped with cannons and muskets that were a century ahead of the weapons of the indigenous peoples were going to end up ruling it. It was the natural state of everyone alive at that time for stronger nations to inevitably rise to dominance and absorb weaker ones through bargaining or by the sword for no other reason than they could.... the concept of human rights as we know them now didn't exist. "All men are created equal" "inaliable rights" "the meek shall inherit the Earth" "Do unto others" the most basic tenets of classic JudeoChristian/Enlightenment ethics? Forget it, NONE of that existed, if you had started talking about that, people would have looked at you funny, and then knocked you over and looted you because obviously you're an easy mark who won't fight back, spouting stuff like that.... everyone equal, p'shaw, If we were equal, then how come I'm stronger than you? huh?

The modern concept of the right of nations to live as independent and sovereign, entitled to self-determination within their borders is just that, modern. An ethos we had the luxury to develop once we likewise developed the technology for self sufficiency and free trade to accomplish for us what conquest and colonization used to. And to reflect on the excesses and downsides of the colonial model and decide it unjust for the side-effects of human misery and death, if WWII was seen as paying the final butcher's bill for the previous 200 years , then 65 million dead sure made everyone rub their eyes and decide we couldn't live like this anymore....

The 15th - 19th centuries do not compute with modern times, so the wrongs we see today in the behaviors of such cannot fairly transcend time, culture and science and be visited upon the descends of those people today in the form of ANY kind of guilt, criminal, social, economic, whatever, none of it is fair or logical. Were the actions of the great powers at the time Good? Bad? Irrelevant, that's what, it wasn't on the books as a crime back then and even if it were, the statute of limitations are up

The Age of Exploration and Empires was always gonna come and go no matter how many times you rewind human history, even to the very beginning, and let it play over and over again. Someone was gonna be the Empire and everyone else was gonna be the subjects. It's an unavoidable stage to get to where we are today where nobody with a sane and rational mind thinks it should happen again.

You can't learn from mistakes until you make them

And if you won't be forgiven for learning to do better, then why would a sane person try?

Modern racial politics and the idea of inherited racial/national guilt is a world where you get punished for falling off a bike as you learn to ride it, and once you do learn, you get punished for that time you fell off. Oh, and if you just put the bike away and say "fuck this" now you get punished for falling off AND trying to "hide" it. And if you never once picked up the bike and even tried? Well, you're on the hook for all those times your Grandpa fell off.....

 

[The Curmudgeon]

Also, the "Evil Colonialism" mythos is built on the false idea that had the roles been reversed, had North America or Africa gotten the 100 year technological edge over Europe, the exact same things would have happened, just to different people. There still would have been colonization, slavery, exploitation of resources, etc etc etc

There would be no Noble Conquerors any more than Noble Savages

Humanity was always destined for the first group to figure out how to cross oceans with cannons to end up ruling it, it was the natural state of "classic" History for stronger nations to inevitably rise to dominance and absorb weaker ones for no other reason than they could....

The modern concept of the right of nations to exist is just that, modern. An ethos we had the luxury to develop once we likewise developed the technology for self sufficiency and free trade to accomplish for us what conquest and colonization used to.

Good? Bad? Irrelevant, that's what. The Age of Empires will always come and go no matter how many times you rewind human history, even to the very beginning, and let it play over and over again. It's an unavoidable stage to get to where we are today where nobody with a sane and rational mind thinks it should happen again.

I wholeheartedly agree with you! No one was noble. While I hate white guilt, I also don't deny that European colonialism had its dark side too.

 

[stupidpieceofshit]

This discussion takes me back to my intro to philosophy class I took oh so long ago.
The professor was talking about some book I Forget now, it was written by a Vietnam vet who was a POW, he talked about how when subjected to Anti American / pro communist propaganda those who didn't do well in school or dropped out of HS were more often then not, not swayed by it with a "AMERICA FUCK YEAH!" type attitude, those who were some what educated (I don't know what that would consent of in that era) were the most likely to end up falling for the propaganda as it just re-enforced the "America has done so many bad things" narrative, those who were well educated often didn't fall for the propaganda as their studies showed how every country has its dark moments.

Its also funny to me as I also remember how proto SJWs were talking about how everything is centric to the US and Europe back in the 90s, and yet these same types of people now won't shut up about Europe or US issues, even when it harms their own points.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

1) White Guilt is just the updated, modernized version of White Man's Burden with an extra dash of fake masochism and self-degredation; both concepts share the exact same core message of "We whites are the superior civilized master race whereas these darkies are nothing but savage adultchildren with no sense of agency. Thus, we must take it upon our superior selves to eternally coddle them in order to save them from themselves."

There's also a class warfare element to this. Remember, whites being generally reviled and disadvantaged doesn't mean much to white people who benefit from money, connections, and/or (((ethnic neopotism.))) The DeBeers aren't leaving South Africa anytime soon; it's the vast majority of people who don't have those advantages who get shit on, hence the top/bottom alignment of neoliberal coalitions.

 

[Spunt]

The irony is that the sheer extremity of criticism against white people is that it encourages white supremacist thinking by depicting white people as some kind of all-conquering ubermenschen. There's nothing genetically or even really culturally that made Europeans the dominant global power from about 1500-1900, it was good fortune and historical accident. If Genghis Khan had lived 20 years longer, there would have been no European civilisation left to colonise anything. If Byzantium had fallen 200 years earlier, if the Persians defeated the Greeks, if the Greeks repelled the Romans, world history would have been completely different. Likewise, if Muhammed had lost his various wars against other Arabian warlords, Islam might not have halted the extreme technological and cultural progress of the Arab world and we'd be talking about Arab supremacy instead and have fundamentalist Christians flying planes into the Burj Khalifa on 9/11. If the Chinese hadn't spent most of their history fighting each other and having famines they'd be the dominant power (notice that now they've stopped fighting each other they're rising fast).

But to hear these people talk there's something, well, special about white people. They are uniquely powerful conquerors and innate oppressors, and because nothing they can do or say can cleanse them of that sin, the only logical conclusion is that this overwhelming history of empire and conquest comes from the colour of their skin. These people literally believe that white people are superior, but that that is a bad thing. It's not a very long leap of logic to say that being superior is a good thing. If white people are natural slavers, conquerors and oppressors, maybe they were put on Earth to do just that? Maybe the superior people should be in charge of everything? Obsessing about race all the time will cause people to ... obsess about race.

Please note that I do not believe that myself. Race is a meaningless construct that means people look a bit different and that's it. Culture is not fixed and is not an inherent characteristic. Any other people on Earth could have and would have done what white people did if they had the opportunity, and many of them did exactly that at various times in history. There's nothing special about white people, positive or negative. We're just fleshbags with less melanin than others.

 

[Book Thief]

Bro it's your beard. Some dogs freak out about big hair and big beards. No one trained their white liberal dog to be racist.

Gave me flashbacks of that King Of The Hill episode.

While dogs can be racist because of their owners, it is absolutely ridiculous to assume that a dog is barking at you because it thinks you are inferior to white people. First thing you do when a dog barks at you is wonder if maybe your appearance, regardless of your skin color, might be a stress factor for it.

Speaking as a dog owner, I get the impression the author of the comic has never owned a dog before, because while he says that he "loves" them, he clearly doesn't understand them. Dogs are descended from wolves, which are pack animals. Therefore a dog perceives any individual, dog or human, as a pack member or an outsider, and a dog's first instinct is to bark at outsiders to alert other members of its pack to potential dangers or to ward off the perceived threat. Literally any dog owner will know how often their dog barks out the window at random people passing by on the sidewalk. It's just what dogs do.

As for possibility for a dog expressing bigotry, while I haven't seen a dog expressing race-based fear or aggression, I've definitely seen dogs do this in regards to sex, treating one sex normally while reacting with fear or aggression towards the other, so I won't dismiss the possibility of a dog doing the same based on race. However, this behavior is typically found in rescue dogs as a symptom of abuse. If a dog reacts like this in response to a black person, my first instinct would be to wonder if the dog had been abused by a previous owners who happened to be black, and the dog came to associate black people with abuse.

But all of this seems to be completely lost on our Brave Pea-Oh-Sea here. Instead, he's chosen to project his persecution complex onto animals who are simply running on instinct, and accusing the owners of racism for the actions of a creature beyond their control. Whatever paranoid bullshit his communities are feeding him is clearly unhealthy, and if he's reading this, then I would suggest seeking mental help.

 

[TowinKarz]

Whatever paranoid bullshit his communities are feeding him is clearly unhealthy, and if he's reading this, then I would suggest seeking mental help.

Sometimes I wonder if these people are so primed to see racism that they think the weather itself is conspiring against them if it starts raining when they step outside?

Not through some Alex-Jones Weather Control Device (tm) that white people are flipping the switches to, but that the world by it's very nature hates them, as a race, and is out to get them? And white people aren't controlling it as much as failing to control it? Deliberately refusing to employ the Alex Jones Device to cut black people a break?

They almost certainly already are half-suspicious that internet service outages, traffic lights changing red as they approach and any other thing that runs off a computer has somehow been deliberately programmed to screw them...... imaginary racists live rent free in their heads, and they persecute themselves.... ACTUAL racists must think it glorious that they don't even have to lift a finger to wind them up anymore.....

 

[WinchesterPremium]

Sometimes I wonder if these people are so primed to see racism that they think the weather itself is conspiring against them if it starts raining when they step outside?

Not through some Alex-Jones Weather Control Device (tm) that white people are flipping the switches to, but that the world by it's very nature hates them, as a race, and is out to get them? And white people aren't controlling it as much as failing to control it? Deliberately refusing to employ the Alex Jones Device to cut black people a break?

They almost certainly already are half-suspicious that internet service outages, traffic lights changing red as they approach and any other thing that runs off a computer has somehow been deliberately programmed to screw them...... imaginary racists live rent free in their heads, and they persecute themselves.... ACTUAL racists must think it glorious that they don't even have to lift a finger to wind them up anymore.....

You mean Environmental Racism? The concept that whitey is forcing minorities to live in locations more effected by catastrophes caused by weather?

 

[LightDragonman1]

Btw, some SJW fun from TV Tropes regarding gay rights in politics (and why they view Democrats as the only correct party):

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13103447000A18674100&page=12585

"They support LGBT rights because of the activists and pushes on the ground. Support in political parties is bottom up.

The current nominee has stated trans rights are the civil rights struggle of our time. This is a good thing, and people should push to make sure Biden doesn't backslide on it. Biden went from a DOMA supporter to the guy who pushed the Obama admin into publicly supporting gay marriage."

Though one takes queer rights very seriously to the point that the poster actually came out to critique the Democrate:

"Look. I know you all mean the best. But you have to understand - this is both extremely personal and extremely important. My background in politics is seeing the Democratic Party - the supposed "Only one of the two parties to support queer folks" - fail us again and again. I'm very, very, very tired of being told that since the Dems are better than the Republicans, "who else" and all, that we should just be happy. NO. I've seen politicians bargan away our rights for buisiness opportunities, activists ignored or mocked, and idealized "safe" queerness championed while gender non-conforming or more radical queer folks mocked and ignored even by democrats. We get ignored most of the time, and when we do get noticed more often than not its in a token way. Our issues get passed over, or mocked as just "culture war stuff". Even some politicians who find our struggle important often aren't willing to take the necessary measures to help all of us, just the most visible.

So, like, please, when someone comes with concerns with how the Democratic party treats queer minorities, whether on an individual basis or as a collective, please do not try to brush it off or claim that it will right itself. Because it doesn't, and it won't, and there's no garuntee those activists on the ground will be listened to. And the Transphobia of our leaders should not be ignored, even if they do have a 'D' next to their name."

 

[Rohan Davey]

I can’t even deny it. Pitchfork went from reviewing music for hipsters and music lovers, to replacing music lovers with hipsters that know nothing about music. The worst part about it is that the site is confusing me to the point where I can’t tell if it’s satire or the 1,000+ articles only praising female artists for being women and nothing else.

It feels like every blatantly woke-signaling album they review gets exactly an 8.2. Like they know that anything lower will result in a cyclone of twitter screeching, but realize putting pandering borefests like Black Belt Eagle Scout and Sudan Archives in the Best New Music section will be ripe for mockery 3-5 years from now.

 

[Dafuqisdis?]

Please note that I do not believe that myself. Race is a meaningless construct that means people look a bit different and that's it. Culture is not fixed and is not an inherent characteristic. Any other people on Earth could have and would have done what white people did if they had the opportunity, and many of them did exactly that at various times in history. There's nothing special about white people, positive or negative. We're just fleshbags with less melanin than others.

That's nonsense though. Race is the group differences between population groups that have been historically isolated for tens of thousands of years.

I mean I'm no white nationalist, but you can just look at someone of another race and see that it's not just down to skin color. You can identify someone's race (or if they're multiracial) with very good accuracy through genetic testing.