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Given the state of reboots in past 6 years, there’s a good chance people will go “Y’know, maybe we were too harsh before. It could have been way worse.”
Western Animation - Discuss American, Canadian, and European cartoons here (or just bitch about wokeshit, I guess)
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Commander X
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Was looking over Toonstruck, a 1996 point-and-click adventure game, featuring hand-drawn cartoon characters interacting with the video captured live-action likeness of Christopher Lloyd; he plays the disgruntled chief animator behind a popular kids' show about a cast of overly cutesy fluffy bunnies, being forced by his boss Ben Stein to create even more saccharine bunny characters for the show he falls asleep and wakes up to eventually find himself entering his TV into the world of his show.
An interesting premise but the execution is lacking; it is far too 1990s with the wonky backgrounds, candy coated barf color palette, and obnoxious voice actors telling 80 year old jokes sprinkled with "adult references." Complete with animated sequences produced by Nelvana with their catalog of watered down American cartoon character cliches.
An interesting premise but the execution is lacking; it is far too 1990s with the wonky backgrounds, candy coated barf color palette, and obnoxious voice actors telling 80 year old jokes sprinkled with "adult references." Complete with animated sequences produced by Nelvana with their catalog of watered down American cartoon character cliches.
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With the level of talent in this game, I doubt the voice work is that obnoxious...
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Talent can easily be ruined by either the voice director or by producers.
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Man, looking over Hey Arnold and Doug again made me realize two things again maybe:
1. Hey Arnold was really at its best when the show was about how weird the town is and how weird Arnold was especially. The show really lost something when it transitioned all the way into "Arnold is more or less Jesus who helps everyone else's problems."
2. Doug's creator should've had the chance to do the spinoff for Judy Funnie he wanted to do. She was always much more charismatic and just better all around than Doug. Frankly, Doug was always the worst character in his own show.
1. Hey Arnold was really at its best when the show was about how weird the town is and how weird Arnold was especially. The show really lost something when it transitioned all the way into "Arnold is more or less Jesus who helps everyone else's problems."
2. Doug's creator should've had the chance to do the spinoff for Judy Funnie he wanted to do. She was always much more charismatic and just better all around than Doug. Frankly, Doug was always the worst character in his own show.
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What I don't get is why everyone, both SJWs and anti-SJWs, has this unhealthy obsession with lumping women and black people together as if they're one cohesive group. Like... women aren't a minority; they make up 51% of the population. So if anything, shouldn't men be considered the "minority" gender that's basically like black people?
And to tie it back to this topic of this thread, here's a Western-animated show that did exactly that, by having a white female protagonist with a token black friend and a token male friend:
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So I finally got around to watching Scoob.
Can I just say that I’ve never seen a movie embody every bad movie cliche from the past decade. It’s almost impressive.
Can I just say that I’ve never seen a movie embody every bad movie cliche from the past decade. It’s almost impressive.
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Someone on /co/ warned us ALL back in October when they saw at an early viewing and they were 95% spot-on AND WE DIDN'T CHOOSE TO BELIEVE 'EM:
I was actually there for that thread...
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Wasn't this the movie they said they were planning to kick off the "Hanna-Barbera Cinematic Universe" with years ago?
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Yes.
But I don't think it's going to happen. This movie got mixed critical reception and it looks kinda shit.
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I think there's EASILY worse examples you could've pulled up regarding SJWish shows because Hilda is pretty tame on that regard- their identity isn't even really the focus of the show at all and I wouldn't say having a female protagonist and/or black side character makes it pandering right off the bat.
But since you brought up Hilda, I just want to say I've tried watching this show twice and I can't fucking go through it because it's so boring.
I have no clue why I struggle to watch it. I don't know if this is my fault (preferences/taste/etc) or the show's. I can't say I have this issue usually because even if it's not my cup of tea (Like Kipo) I'll still try to watch it but Hilda just doesn't get me engaged for some stupid reason.
Supposedly it's based on a graphic novel series, I might try to look into that instead because maybe itll be better than the Netflix series but i don't know.
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Oh my God... I'm saying this show isn't SJW-pandering bait. I'm saying this an anti-SJW show because the protagonist is white and female, instead of white and male or non-white and female. Meanwhile, she has a token black friend and a token male friend. In other words, instead of using the "straight white male"/"women and minorities" dichotomy, this show does the opposite - i.e. "straight white female"/"men and minorities", making women the majority and men the minority. And I was praising the show for going against the flow.
So yeah... way to completely miss the point of my post. I even started it off by saying,
So how did you not realise that I was saying we should, you know, try to separate women from black people? And I was using this show as an example of how to do that, because the show puts girls on a higher plane than black people, instead of on par with them, treating girls as "normal" and blacks as "not normal", and making boys the "minority" gender that's equivalent to black people.
I really don't get why it's such a difficult concept for people to grasp that women are not a minority, especially when women actually have less rights in non-white nations.
And yeah, way to also prove my initial point by showing that you yourself think women and blacks are interconnected and can never be separated.
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Your writing is confusing, no offense.
"What I don't get is why everyone, both SJWs and anti-SJWs, has this unhealthy obsession with lumping women and black people together as if they're one cohesive group. "
So now it's cool that its "anti-sjw" despite complaining it's unhealthy of them to lump women and black people together by putting in the front rather than the back of the cast
I'm not sure if having a white female protag makes something "anti-sjw" at all, I'm not sure where you get this conception /definition from.
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My point is that women are not a minority - they make up 51% of the population - so we shouldn't treat them like black people. Just write female characters as normal characters, and keep the black characters as mere tokens.
There's also the fact that women can be racist against black people, and black people can be sexist against women. Hell, if anything, women actually have less rights in non-white countries. If you go to places like Nigeria, the DRC, Saudi Arabia, China, Papua New Guinea... yeah, women don't exactly have it good there. Yet they have a shit-tonne of rights - arguably more than men - in countries like Canada, the USA, Australia, etc.. If that doesn't prove that women and black people aren't the same thing, I don't know what does.
And once again, I never complained that Hilda "lumped women and blacks together" - I praised them for not doing that, and instead for lumping men and black people together by making them the diversity tokens to the white female protagonist. When I said it "did exactly that", I was referring to my last statement where I asked, "Wouldn't it make more sense to lump men and black people together?" The show puts whites and females at the front, and blacks and males at the back.
Or, to break this down more simply:
On the show Hilda:
white + female = normal
black = not normal
male = also not normal
After all, if you're born as a girl and you grow up as a girl, then being a girl is just the "default" gender to you, right?
If you seriously thought Hilda "put women and blacks at the front", then I have to ask: did we even watch the same show? Or even look at the same poster? The poster clearly shows a lily-white girl standing in the foreground, with a black kid and a boy standing behind her. As if to say, "Look kids! Look at this mighty-whitey female person! She's not like those minority groups!" Yeah yeah, I know that's far from the point of the poster, but there's no way anyone would look at it and take away that girls are some lowly minority group either. They would see there's a token black character, and unless they're already aware of the intersectional SJW mindset to begin with - which I hope the show's target audience isn't - then they won't think that character being black is in any way similar to the main character being a girl.
Well, that combined with having a token black friend shows that the show doesn't consider women a minority like black people, since it's showing a black character as being subservient to a white girl. That's the point I was getting at here, that the creator, Luke Pearson, did not let himself get suckered in to the SJW mindset that women are just some lowly minority class, and instead he realises that women are just normal human beings like you and me, and he writes them as such. He didn't create Hilda to pander to SJWs; he just made the main character a girl because he wanted to. Plain and simple.
Contrary to popular belief, you can separate women from black people. Just look at the Peanuts comics, for example - there's a shit-tonne of female characters, yet not a single black character (aside from the 2015 animated film). That's as far away from black people as female characters can get. And yet people still think women are a "minority" in 2020, because they think logic is for exceptionals.
Just because something has a female protagonist, that does not mean it's pandering to SJWs, or using girls as a diversity token. I really don't get why it's so hard for people to understand this. You can write a female character without treating her gender like it's equivalent to being black or LGBT. Women are just regular human beings, so why can't they be treated as such?
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Franklin was introduced in the comics in 1968.
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The sad part? This is Warner Bros‘ fourth attempt at a shared cinematic universe (sixth if you count WB trying to expand HP and LotR with prequels) and second animated attempt after the LEGO movies fizzled out.
But who knows, maybe this will be their lucky break...
...But statistics aren’t in their favor.
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They had their chance years ago with Space Ghost Coast to Coast and Sealab.
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Really, the idea was around as far back as the 70s. You had a lot of shows with the old H-B characters teaming up back then.
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Still, he's the only black character, as far as I know. But according to @Rinny, that's SJW pandering and "putting blacks at the front".
Social minority and numerical minority aren't the same thing.