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Just 7.3% of Stockholm had Covid-19 antibodies by end of April, study shows
Official findings add to concerns about Sweden’s laissez-faire strategy towards the pandemic

Just 7.3% of Stockholm’s inhabitants had developed Covid-19 antibodies by the end of April, according to a study, raising concerns that the country’s light-touch approach to the coronavirus may not be building up broad immunity.

The research by Sweden’s public health agency comes as and neighbouring Finland warned that it would be risky for the country to welcome Swedish tourists after figures suggested the country’s death rate per capita was the highest in Europe over the seven days to 19 May.

Sweden’s state epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, said the Stockholm antibodies figure was “a bit lower than we’d thought”, but added that it reflected the situation three weeks ago and he believed that by now “a little more than 20%” of the capital’s population had probably contracted the virus.

However, the public health agency had previously said it expected about 25% to have been infected by 1 May and Tom Britton, a maths professor who helped develop its forecasting model, said the figure from the study was surprising.

“It means either the calculations made by the agency and myself are quite wrong, which is possible, but if that’s the case it’s surprising they are so wrong,” he told the newspaper Dagens Nyheter. “Or more people have been infected than developed antibodies.”

Björn Olsen, a professor of infectious medicine at Uppsala University, said herd immunity was a “dangerous and unrealistic” approach. “I think herd immunity is a long way off, if we ever reach it,” he said after the release of the antibody findings.

Tegnell has denied herd immunity is a goal in itself, saying Sweden aims instead to slow the spread of the virus enough for health services to cope. But he has also said countries that imposed strict lockdowns could be more vulnerable to a second wave of infections because a smaller percentage of their populations would be immune.

In April, officials estimated one third of Stockholm residents would have developed antibodies to the coronavirus by early May, subsequently suggesting that the capital could reach herd immunity of between 40% and 60% by the middle of June.

Relying on citizens to act responsibly, Sweden has closed schools for the over-16s and banned gatherings of more than 50, but asked – rather than ordered – people to avoid non-essential travel, to work from home and stay at home if they are elderly or ill. Shops, restaurants and gyms have remained open.

Polls show a large majority of Swedes support and are generally complying with their government’s more relaxed, less coercive strategy, which stands in stark contrast to the strict mandatory lockdowns imposed by many EU countries.

Google records suggest trips to shops and cafes by residents of the Stockholm area are down 20%-40%, while passenger numbers on public transport have fallen by 30%-40%.

But the approach has been heavily criticised by some Swedish academics as the number of coronavirus deaths in the country has risen, far exceeding those of its Nordic neighbours.

While the overall coronavirus death rate per million is greater in Italy (535), Spain (597) or the UK (538), Sweden’s (376) is far in advance of Norway’s (44), Denmark’s (96) and Finland’s (55) – countries with similar welfare systems and demographics, but which imposed strict lockdowns.

According to the scientific online publication Ourworldindata.com, Covid-19 deaths in Sweden were the highest in Europe per capita in a rolling seven-day average between 12 and 19 May. The country’s 6.25 deaths per million inhabitants a day was just above the UK’s 5.75.

The Swedish state broadcaster, SVT, reported that Mika Salminen of Finland’s institute for health and welfare had said Swedish tourists would be a risk. Describing the situation as “unfortunate”, he said it was a “political decision, but the actual difference in the spread of infection is a fact”.

The World Health Organization has warned against pinning hopes on herd immunity as a means of containing the coronavirus, saying last week that global studies had found antibodies in only 1%-10% of the population.

Critics such as Olsen say Sweden has done “too little, too late” and note that the government’s laissez-faire approach has been catastrophic for older people, with roughly half the country’s 3,831 deaths so far occurring in care homes.

Tegnell’s predecessor as chief epidemiologist, Annika Linde, told Dagens Nyheter this week that the country’s strategy towards care homes had been “completely insufficient. The problems were was underestimated. It was a clear misjudgment.”

The government has admitted serious failings in care homes and this month announced a big increase in funding for the sector, but remains adamant that the country’s relatively high per capita death toll is not a consequence of its decision not to impose a lockdown.

Tegnell: Herd immunity is not sufficient against infection

Anders Tegnell presented the results of new antibody tests at today's press conference.

But when he got a question about how it affects the so-called flock immunity, the state epidemic put his foot down.

- A herd immunity that completely stops the infection will never happen, he says.


The Public Health Authority and Anders Tegnell today showed the first results of antibody tests in nine regions around the country. The results are from week 18 and will be filled with samples for the following seven weeks. The data shows that the age group over 65 and children and young people are clearly less affected than people of working age. But also that Stockholm is clearly more affected than the rest of the country. 7.3 percent of Stockholmers tested had developed antibodies that week, which according to FHM shows a picture of what the corona spread looked like in early April.
So far, the results have not been included in models in such a way that FHM makes forward-looking forecasts regarding flock immunity in the population.
- It is in good agreement with the models we have made in the past and other models, perhaps a little lower, says Tegnell.
- We believe that 20-25 percent of Stockholm's population has had the infection.

"See an effect already"
At the end of the press conference, Anders Tegnell received a question about herd immunity, and then he chose to clearly mark against what he himself calls the "myth" of immunity that exists.
- An immunity that completely stops the infection will never happen. What an immunity can give is that it can keep the spread of infection, and that you can release some restrictions. But the infection will not go away. The type of herd immunity where you push away an infection can only be achieved if you combine it with a vaccine. That a population-level immunity can make it easier for health care and we can let go of the restrictions, he says.
When asked if we are approaching those levels, Tegnell says we can already be there.
- Yes, we already see an effect of this. We have falling numbers, without really taking any action in the last three or four weeks.

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Is this the most Swedish picture to ever be taken?

Anders Tegnell, interviewed by the BBC yesterday and one of the world's busiest people, is taking the bike to work with a "morning haircut", earbuds with a cord, leather jacket and boat shoes.

Bike from 1973
There are many things you can accuse Tegnell of, but at least not living modestly is not one of them
 
Masks are required in my area to enter a grocery store. I have never once seen any of the obese employees wearing their masks correctly. I have seen people misuse gloves. I have seen old people turned away from the store for not having a mask. I have seen black people not adhering to the rule being let into the store by black employees who are not adhering to the rule. I've seen homeless people shambling around every grocery store I've been in for the last three months like plague zombies.

Fuck all this noise. It's absolute nonsense.

I keep a mask in my car in case it’s necessary, but I won’t ever clean the stupid thing because nobody wears them properly anyway. It’s all theatre.

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Tiny Tyrant Timmy in Minnesota announced yesterday that bars and restaurants could open patio seating only starting on June 1st, limited to 50 people. Meanwhile, churches can only have 10 people indoors, no matter the size of the building. Because science, of course. He actually claimed that it’s harder to predict who would be attending church than going to bars/restaurants and that’s part of his reasoning. The hospitality lobby is pissed because patio seating only was never discussed and the Catholics announced less than two hours later that they would defy the orders.
 
Has this been posted?

I don't want to be doxed just because I took a test that may or may not be accurate.
The Feds may start rounding up these patients for antibody harvesting. Probably the fastest path to a vaccine.

Honestly, we've had kid glove on until now. If the US hits 40% unemployment, it would make sense to take this approach just to give people something to do. With a large enough sample size, you'd have a vaccine in a couple months.

Not saying it's constitutional, the big things in US history rarely are.
 
Apparently our LA suburb is encouraging everyone to get COVID tests often, even if they're asymptomatic, for data tracking purposes. Some of my friends went and got tested because "Why not", and have *now* been informed that they can't work until the test info comes back. One works at the local grocery store. They expect to be out of work for several days. Good job, whoever set that up.

A hairdresser friend reports that the hairdresser guilds (or whatever their mother-organizations are) has instituted strict warnings against hairdressers breaking quarantine to cut hair under the table. The penalty is a two-year loss of your licence. The same friend says she is not looking forwards to the salons reopening because the guidelines will make it very hard to function as a business and all the customers will be stressed and upset.

Also there will be guidelines Monday on new standards for the film industry. That'll be interesting. SAG (the major actor's guild) is telling all their members not to sign anything that that absolves productions of responsibility if the actors get sick on set. Also, apparently extra testing, quarantine time, and social distancing logistics are going to raise the cost of filming and Hollywood is concerned that this may drive productions to safer, and therefore less expensive areas. They are asking for tax incentives from the state to offset these costs and keep business local. Meanwhile, Tyler Perry is starting to film on his personal ranch in Georgia with some pretty crazy lock-down rules. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/n...details-covid-19-production-protocols-1295359

A cached version of the document supposedly* sent out by Perry: https://web.archive.org/web/20200521083059/https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/custom2/Embeds/Camp Quarantine.pdf

*I'm now hearing that the earlier Lionsgate COVID guidelines may have been fake, but I have not followed up on that.
There is no upside to getting tested
 
The Feds may start rounding up these patients for antibody harvesting. Probably the fastest path to a vaccine.

Honestly, we've had kid glove on until now. If the US hits 40% unemployment, it would make sense to take this approach just to give people something to do. With a large enough sample size, you'd have a vaccine in a couple months.

Not saying it's constitutional, the big things in US history rarely are.
No state doxs gay/lesbians/LGBTBBQSAUCE people if they test positive for HIV/AIDS, which, to this day, is fatal. Wu Flu is not. Not only is it unconstitutional, it's counterproductive because once everyone realizes they'll be doxed, they won't be tested.

I can think of any number of nutters, like the sovereign citizens, New Black Panthers, religious NO MARK O' THE BEAST believers, Hasidim, hippies, etc that will outright refuse if not sue/fight the police if this becomes SOP. It's a bad idea.
 
The spanish right is getting insuferable and the left wing counterprotests have decided to show them what real attendance numbers are. This might get violent... Honestly. I'm ok with that. I'm so fucking sick of the corruption and propaganda and fucking nonesense. Wanna know their latest fucking stunt? They're trying to sue Fernando Simon for the residence fuckup to pin it on him. Yeah, you know just blame it on the bastard trying to save everyone that has been working his ass off half to death for a month! I'm sure that won't piss off every fucking scientifically minded person in the country. Specially when you currently have a court case open with actual fucking evidence showing the reason the residences were understaffed is because YOU WERE STEALING MONEY. I might wind up growing enough balls to resort to violence myself at this rate. The amount of lines they crossed which I simply cannot forgive is very, very large.

The Feds may start rounding up these patients for antibody harvesting. Probably the fastest path to a vaccine.

Honestly, we've had kid glove on until now. If the US hits 40% unemployment, it would make sense to take this approach just to give people something to do. With a large enough sample size, you'd have a vaccine in a couple months.

Not saying it's constitutional, the big things in US history rarely are.

Actually the fastest path to a vaccine is isolating the antigen, not the antibody. Injecting antibodies doesn't actually immunize large term it just triggers a short term immune response. Second speeding up boost would be done by isolating the genome in case it's not enough with just the proteins. And hey, guess what? That's precisely why as soon as that shit escaped china every fucking scientist with 2 braincells to rub together got cracking on that shit! And btw. ISCIII won the race. Which means nothing but does give us spaniards bragging rights. Nianonianoniano our genome analists work slightly faster than yours.~

No but seriously ISCIII literally broke the fucking record as to how fast a virus' genome has ever been fully coded. They REALLY wanted that shit done ASAP. And that's precisely why I trust those bastards. They really do work their ass off.

Especially not if you can get reinfected.

You probably can't. But that's another topic.
 
I find myself asking why did we bother locking down in when we never did this with ebola-chan? Also do anyone here thinks people exaggerates the affect of corona on the body, considering people have been recovering as of now and half of these deaths are from other illnesses like TB, cancer, and negligence from doctors?

Paul can be exceptional sometimes, but you gotta admit, it's ridiculous how paranoid the government and people alike are with this that they're resorting to using bumper tables....i..
Wow..
 
Actually the fastest path to a vaccine is isolating the antigen, not the antibody. Injecting antibodies doesn't actually immunize large term it just triggers a short term immune response. Second speeding up boost would be done by isolating the genome in case it's not enough with just the proteins. And hey, guess what? That's precisely why as soon as that shit escaped china every fucking scientist with 2 braincells to rub together got cracking on that shit! And btw. ISCIII won the race. Which means nothing but does give us spaniards bragging rights. Nianonianoniano our genome analists work slightly faster than yours.~

No but seriously ISCIII literally broke the fucking record as to how fast a virus' genome has ever been fully coded. They REALLY wanted that shit done ASAP. And that's precisely why I trust those bastards. They really do work their ass off.
I appreciate you for clarifying. My knowledge of appropriate medical terms remains suspect despite all attempts to get myself up to speed.

Here's a question maybe you could answer: let's say we come up with a vaccine and it's distributed to half the world's population - which could happen if tensions with China escalate. Does that create an opportunity for the virus to further mutate and become something that's resistant to the vaccine?

Feels like beating this means finding the solution that solves for distribution as well as efficacy.
 
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So what was the virus in 2002? Though i should've asked about that instead because i was still a little kid at that time.
SARS. it's a different type of coronavirus to the new one and wasn't nearly as wildly infectious, but still affected a good amount of people.
 
There is no upside to getting tested

Indeed. That's just painting a Day-Glo target on your back and your front for "them". Have no intention whatsoever of being tested. The wise person NEVER voluntarily gives "them" any ammunition to use against themselves.

"Knee-pads" Harris is all on the rag about people calling the ChiCom Flu the Chinese virus, etc. Putting forth a Senate resolution saying the term "Chinese virus" is racist. Figure the odds of it passing. 🤣




Looked at this morning's edition of the area's "alternative" weekly. Saw a full-page ad signed by some area mayors and city councilmen saying we need to follow the incompetent fuck of a county "health director"'s directions, and lauding him for the fine job he has done. Almost puked. These turds are just fucked in the head.

Here's another way the state of CA fucks themselves out of revenue. The state lottery offices are all closed. Stores aren't getting any more scratch-off tickets. Fewer for people to buy, especially in the $1-$5 range. People cannot go to a lottery office and cash in a winning ticket. So if you hit the MegaMillions or Powerball jackpots, both in nine figures, this weekend, you'd need to wait until the lottery offices open again to redeem your ticket. Pretty fucked up, no?

Seeing more and more traffic on the freeway these days, maybe 60% of normal for a weekday.

People in Los Angeles are tired of living under the oppression of their idiotic "mayor" and county "health director". Planning to reopen businesses on 1 June. Makes sense to me.

https://openlabusinessnow.com/




Some articles from the "Open LA Business Now" website.


 
I find myself asking why did we bother locking down in when we never did this with ebola-chan?
Ebola is an horrific way to go, but the way it behaves isn’t really a threat to the world at large. You need direct contact with infected fluids to transmit. You don’t need much contact, a tiny amount is enough, but it’s direct only, and it’s a fragile virus. So it tends to explode out of the wild, and run amok in places where (real examples) the local hospitals ‘sterilise’ syringes by shoving them in a bowl of warm water at the end of the day and are using the same syringe to give multiple shots. Or a rural birthing ward, or a third world hospital, or a group where buriaL requires washing of the body and manual waste Removal.

but... it kills fast, and because it requires that direct contact, quick quarantine works. I know we slag off the WHO on here but their responses and the African countries responses to the last few Ebola outbreaks were really professional and good by and large. They did well, and they contained it fast.
Ebola in its current form isn’t a threat to the west. Even if someone got on a plane and bled out on arrival and caused a small outbreak, it’s possible to quarantine. It’s a very scary virus, but it’s behaviour is it’s weakness.

COVID is respiratory, and that’s the key to its spread. The really contagious shit that causes huge pandemics needs to be able to get around. Breathing is one way. Water contamination is another. There aren’t many plagues that go worldwide via other routes.

Sars in 2002 was a near miss. It could have been really nasty but it was nowhere near as contagious as COVID. This coronavirus ticks all the boxes - respiratory, transmission via droplets, Many asymptomatic carriers (very few of them with ebola) it’s an absolutely perfect virus to get all around the world.
 
I appreciate you for clarifying. My knowledge of appropriate medical terms remains suspect despite all attempts to get myself up to speed.

Here's a question maybe you could answer: let's say we come up with a vaccine and it's distributed to half the world's population - which could happen if tensions with China escalate. Does that create an opportunity for the virus to further mutate and become something that's resistant to the vaccine?

Feels like beating this means finding the solution that solves for distribution as well as efficacy.

Why do you think we get flu every year? Even if china were to properly vaccinate. Which they never fucking do. Their horrible hygiene practices turn every animal in china into a virus reservoir. That's how viri ALWAYS go endemic, and so will corona, that's just a fact. Only way to keep today's pandemics from going endemic would be to just nuke china until there's not a single stone a horrid bugman can hide under, it really is that simple. Question is how much will it take for corona to mutate. I'd say next fall won't see a mutation, but fall next year will.
 
Michigan, USA

Governor Gretchen Whitmer (D) has allowed social gatherings of 10, effective immediately. However, it is still apparently required to maintain social distancing at said gatherings "to the extent feasible under the circumstances," if I am reading the order correctly.
Retail may reopen by appointment only Tuesday May 26. Nonessential medical and dental procedures may resume Friday May 29. Bars, restaurants, barbershops, etc. are to remain closed outside of our two northernmost regions.
(archive)

Hotels in said two northernmost regions are being swamped with reservations.
(archive)

Owosso barber Karl Menke, 77, is still operating his business.
"Shiawassee County Circuit Court Judge Matthew J. Stewart denied a request by the state Attorney General’s Office for a preliminary injunction to keep Karl Manke’s shop along West Main Street closed."
(archive)

Two Detroit-area businesses willing to talk to the press about their reopening in defiance of Governor Whitmer's orders. One a restaurant and one a fireworks store.
(archive)

SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN
Shelter-in-place order from Tuesday March 24 to Monday April 13. Friday, May 1, Friday, May 15, May 28, but May 22 for the farthest north, May 21, kind of? May 1, maybe? (archive) (executive order saved on KF) . The Republican-controlled legislature has refused to extend Governor Whitmer's emergency authority. Governor Whitmer insists her emergency orders are all still in effect (Rundown on the laws).
State attorney general Dana Nessel (D) is also leaving enforcement of the stay-at-home order to local discretion until the courts weigh in on it (archive). She has stated Governor Whitmer's orders are valid and are to be enforced (archive). The legislature is not calling for civil disobedience at this time (archive).
The legislature has filed a lawsuit against the governor (archive). Oral arguments were heard May 15 (archive). The judge's decision is pending, but will most likely be appealed either way.
State senate leader Mike Shirkey (R) is also supporting a petition drive to change the law. Such a petition would require 340,047 signatures to be collected. It would be veto-proof if approved by the legislature, and would go on the next general election ballot if denied by them (archive 1, archive 2, archive 3).
U. S. Rep Paul Mitchell (R - The Thumb) has filed a lawsuit independently against Governor Whitmer, in federal district court. Link, pdf on KF. He has also founded a committee to work on the petition recommended by Sen. Shirkey.
There have been at least ten other lawsuits against Governor Whitmer's actions during this crisis, mostly regarding the shut-down order, in various stages of progress and in various courts (summary of eight of them). However, "all deadlines applicable to the commencement of all civil and probate actions and proceedings" are suspended until the end of the states of emergency and disaster. Executive order, and thus in limbo. (archive).

OTHER SHUTDOWNS
Recap from NPR
Major protest at the State Capitol April 15 (A&N thread). Minor protest outside Governor's Mansion April 23 (archive). Protest at the State Capitol April 30 (A&N Thread). Protest at the capitol May 14 (archive).
Auto manufacturing resuming May 18. (archive)

ECONOMY AND MISCELLANY
Unemployment reached 22.7% in April. (Archive - May 20). It should be lower now, as factories, etc. reopen.
Massive phone-tracking project reveals Michigan travel is slowly creeping back up (website).
The State is facing a $2.5 billion budget shortage (archive).

HEALTH CARE
Hydroxychloroquine banned by governor's order (archive). Nevermind LOL! Now she's asking the federal government for it and claiming the ban was a mistake in the first place. (archive). Detroit-area hospitals are testing the drug's effectiveness as a preventative on first responders and health-care workers (archive). Article on results, May 8 (archive).
Elective surgeries are banned. Maybe? Who knows. If/when in effect, abortions were not included in the ban (thread).
At any rate, hospitals are resuming elective surgeries.
Up-to-date count of available hospital beds, etc. in the State (the Detroit area is "Section 2, North and South.")(government website)
State of affairs May 5 - about half as many hospitalized cases and ICU cases as on April 12 (archive).
Detroit field hospital, capacity 1,000, closed. Never had many more than 20 at any time. (archive, May 7).
The state is going to add "probable" deaths from Coronavirus to our death tolls. (archive - May 20)

LAW AND ORDER
All localities given more discretion to release prisoners early (archive). It was an executive order. Who knows if it's still valid?
Detroit shootings up, but most other crime down (archive - April 30); Muskegon police report crime is up (archive).
Breaking the lockdown is a misdemeanor, punishable by $1500 fines and 90 days jail time. (Still valid???) Governor Gretchen Whitmer (D) has stated there will not be a "ramp up" of police enforcement (archive). The attorney general has left it to local law enforcement to close businesses, as her hands are full with price-gougers and con artists (archive).
The police cannot, at present, pull drivers over simply for being out during the shutdown (archive). Multiple sherrifs from the rural north to Detroit suburbs have stated they will not be enforcing or not strictly enforcing parts or the entirety of the order (archive).

OFFICIAL DEATH TOLL

The Michigan Department of Health and Human Services reviews deaths and adds overlooked cases to the count three days a week: Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday. Recovery counts are updated on Saturdays.
31 deaths were added today.

MDHHS said:
Regular reviews of death certificate data maintained in Vital Records reporting systems are conducted by MDHHS staff three times per week. As a part of this process, records that identify COVID-19 infection as a contributing factor to death are compared against all laboratory confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the Michigan Disease Surveillance System (MDSS). If a death certificate is matched to a confirmed COVID-19 case and that record in the MDSS does not indicate the individual died, the MDSS record is updated to indicate the death and the appropriate local health department is notified. These matched deaths are then included with mortality information posted to the Michigan Coronavirus website.

Detroit Metro (pop. 3,860,000 total; 1,796/sq. mi.; 694/sq km):*

34,083 confirmed / 4,030 dead
33,941 confirmed / 3,982 dead yesterday
(i.e. 48 new deaths, down 4 from this day last week)
Normal Detroit Metro Death Rate: 104 per day.**

Other Michigan (6,120,000; 65/sq. mi.; 25/sq km):

19,427 confirmed / 1,099 dead
19,068 confirmed / 1,078 dead yesterday
(i.e. 21 new deaths, same as this day last week)
Normal not-Detroit Death Rate: 167 per day**

All Michigan (9,990,000; 103/sq. mi.; 40/sq km):

53,510 confirmed / 5,129 dead
53,009 confirmed / 5,060 dead yesterday
(i.e. 69 new deaths, down 4 from this day last week, same as last week without adjustments)
Normal Michigan Death Rate: 271 per day.**

Death toll doubled since: April 20.
We have been (were?) locked down since: March 24 (until April 30? May 21),
Masks have been mandatory in stores since: April 27 (until April 30?).

Detroit Metro Daily Deaths Last Seven Days:
18 / 26*** / 4 / 14 / 77*** / 26 / 22*** = 231***

State Government site, daily - today's archive;
State Gov site, total, includes breakdowns by sex, age, race and ethnicity - today's archive.
*Here defined as the City of Detroit, and Macomb, Oakland, and Wayne Counties, minus state and federal prisoners, who are not counted towards any county's cases, but are kept in categories of their own.
** As of 2018.
*** 19, 43, and 31 statewide deaths, respectively, were added on these days upon State review. Presumably most were in Detroit, but I don't know exactly how many.

One Ann Arbor man allegedly killed by his roommate in a Corona-related dispute (archive). The suspect has been released from custody while the investigation continues (archive).
One Flint security guard allegedly murdered for telling a woman that her daughter needed to wear a mask in a dollar store. Multiple suspects are in custody (archive, A&N thread).
 
Most pandemic flu starts in China. I’ve seen an 80% figure floating about but funnily when I go to google it’s no longer visible.
China has horrific hygiene and horrific animal husbandry practices and horrific crowding. Add in hogs living next to people and wildfowl (most flu originates first in birds) and youve got the perfect bioincubator for flu. If China had farming and hygiene like, say, Norway, only a small proportion of that spillover would happen.
China is absolutely culpable wrt corona. And many flu outbreaks .
 
This is EXACTLY what needs to be happening right now. Should have happened even earlier. Put some little Hitlers in their place. But Numb-nuts Newsom a "hero"? No fucking way. He's a retarded piece of shit.




Ya think? Ya think? Ya fucking think? The wise person would never download any contact-tracking app.




Worth a look.





Minnesota religious leaders are telling the governor and attorney general they're tired of being shit on.


 
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