US Donald Trump Says U.S. Won’t Close Economy Again, Even If There’s A Second Wave Of Coronavirus - GDP is supreme

https://deadline.com/2020/05/donald-trump-says-u-s-wont-close-again-second-wave-coronavirus-1202941173/

https://archive.li/0zj6M

President Donald Trump on Thursday said “we are not closing our country” if the U.S. is hit by a second wave of COVID-19.

His comments come on the same day that the United States reported another 2.4 million Americans applied for unemployment benefits last week That brings the total of new unemployment claims to more than 38 million in nine weeks..

In reference to states like California which have not reopened as quickly as others Trump said, “I don’t think the people are going to stand for it.” Yet Texas, North Carolina and Arizona have reported spiking numbers of cases as they’ve moved into reopening.

“People say that’s a very distinct possibility, it’s standard,” Trump said when asked about a second wave.
In a worst-case scenario, the infection curve of COVID-19 could mimic the most deadly pandemic in American history, the Spanish Flu.

More people died during that 1918 pandemic than the total number of military and civilian deaths that resulted from World War I and, according to the CDC, the second wave in the fall was responsible for most of the U.S. deaths attributed to that outbreak.

The president made his comments during a tour of a Ford factory in Michigan which has been converted to produce ventilators.

National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases director Dr. Anothony Fauci testified last week before Congress about a second wave.

“I hope that if we do have the threat of a second wave we will be able to deal with it very effectively to prevent it from becoming an outbreak not only worse than now but much, much less,” Fauci said.

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Robert Redfield said last month that battling the virus in the fall could be “more difficult and potentially more complicated because we would have flu and coronavirus circulating at the same time.”

But Trump on Thursday remained confident in the country’s ability to deal with a resurgence.

“We are going to put out the fires. We’re not going to close the country,” Trump said. “We can put out the fires. Whether it is an ember or a flame, we are going to put it out. But we are not closing our country.”

Trump appeared at the Ford factory without a mask on Thursday, despite requirements at the facility that everyone wear PPE. The president said that he had taken his mask and eye shields off to speak with the media.
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Just because the US doesn't want to be shutdown, doesn't mean foreign countries will go with it too. The situation is dynamic and you should be shutdown if it's a problem or other countries near by are having problems. Why is shutting it down never an option again?

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Uh huh. What better way to live and die for a cause greater than themselves instead of succumbing to narccistic rambling about how precious their lives are.

I guess you'd be okay with an asymptotic carrier of covid infecting you or your parents out in public then, eh?

 

[Zero Day Defense]

However, last time I checked, there are 360 million people in the US.

We're not testing everyone. We're testing people that need tests because they're presenting with something that could be COVID.

And 328 million people, dude.

I get it, you want the numbers to be underreported because it makes Lord Trump look better, but with a lack of viable testing, they can't always confirm it.

You've all but advocated that overreporting should be condoned. Meanwhile, I've pointed out that both overreporting and underreporting screws up our decision making.

I don't know the answer to it.

And you also don't get that we were supposed to flatten the curve, and pretty much everywhere the curve's been flattened-- which is part of why every state is easing restrictions.

But we are now seeing cases rise every day (they were declining but are rising again now with the lockdowns ending).

Upticks are inevitable. Everyone that's been paying attention knows that. The issue is if the uptick is going to be overwhelming for the hospital system. Secondly, the easings have just started-- we won't know how bad it's going to be until 1-2 weeks from now, given the 2-week statistical lag in disease manifestations and variable lag in death tallies.

My answer would be a partial reopening (like 50% capacity or whatever)

Ah good, that seems to be what every state is doing and what the CDC has been recommending.

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE]

I guess you'd be okay with an asymptotic carrier of covid infecting you or your parents out in public then, eh?

That is dumb cuz no one except you is saying that.

 

[D.Va]

>not letting a virus kill the weak people who do nothing but drain the economy
zoomers rise up

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Imagine still being afraid of Swine Flu 2 in May 2020.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Imagine still being afraid of Swine Flu 2 in May 2020.

It's literally SARS 2.

 

[frozenrunner]

Then he would at least have my respect. But most people I have asked that to responded with "it wont be me!" or "Don't you dare bring my family into it!"

What's happening now is people who want to go back to work are saying they are willing to make that choice. To keep us all from starving to death, due to hyperinflation, a breakdown of supply chains, or the disastrous effects of a global depression. And they're being told that's irresponsible and to cower in place indefinitely without a plan on how to feed themselves or keep the economy from collapsing.

What's your response? They they shouldn't be allowed?

Sorry I am not an autistic edgelord like you, but I value human life. You only get one life to live.

I hope you stay safe

The economy is human life, and human livelihoods. That's all it is. Not "muh stocks" but all the real people you have ever met and interacted with every day. Their jobs, their small businesses (which are not prosperous enough to weather this shutdown, unlike the Wal-Marts of the world), their children's futures.

What's your answer to this mounting backlash to the incredible threat you're making towards everybody's lives? "Better safe than sorry?" What's going to be your defense when people are suffering through (hopefully) a recession or (God help us) a global depression that shows up when we finally decide to start living again? "Ackshully we would be hurting a lot more now if we hadn't hamstrung the entire world's economy for an economic quarter." Will we have to accept that on faith the way you seem to accept, on total blind faith, that everything will be fine if we just cower in place? What's your defense for putting millions who aren't even born yet on the hook for the trillions of dollars we're printing now?

You talk about grudging respect. I would at least have a bare minimum of respect for you (and people like you) if you admitted we are playing with fire, economically speaking, and that there's a crucial discussion to be had about how much risk we are willing to assume to "thread the needle" and avoid disaster on either side. At least we would know you're still tethered, however tenuously, to reality.

 

[Jarolleon]

We literally have people who believe humans are the only, or at least the main input that impacts climate and that we'd magically fix everything if only we'd adopt the lowest energy density fossil alternatives and annoint the Gretato as our benevolent overlord

Is that what social constructivism is?

Hot Take: Even if this shit had Bubonic Plague level mortality, which it has nothing of the sort, shutting down is still a exceptional idea.

Starvation has a better lethality ratio than any virus, bacteria or parasite could ever hope to.

And the literal black death was stopped by a simple cordon sanitaire in Milan.

 

[CDWLTY]

Word from my hospital working buddy says they're projecting an October 1 spike, if nothing else having everything on pause let people brush up on techniques for not being filthy monkeys and try to stock up on equipment. We;re making stuff domestically and people are aware of taking techniques, the rest won't sink in unless it spread and people feel a real, tangible threat. I wish it would spread and get rid of like, 30% of people. Everywhere in the states has too much traffic and fat people waddling slowly everywhere. If I have to be a righteous sacrifice on that altar, I accept Nurgle's blessing.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Yes. Look at Italy before and after lockdown. Look at other countries. Look at Brazil for an example of not locking down

Brazil is a disease-ridden shithole that couldn't keep an olympic pool from turning green and is so polluted that half the water olympic events ended with participants contracting flesh-eating bacterial infections because they pump raw sewage into the ocean right next to their most popular beaches and swimming areas. The Chinese Disease is killing people en masse there because their immune systems are already overloaded by exposure to their average environment.

 

[CDWLTY]

I don't get why it's a dichotomy of "let everyone die" and "ignore it completely". Why can't we let people not lose their businesses and homes and take the precautions they want? I've been wearing masks and washing my hands for years, it'd be nice to see more people doing it every flu season.
There are chinese callers cold-calling homes in our area making offers to buy houses. If you think all these businesses can just pause everything and not pay rent/lease/insurance/employees for a whole quarter, you haven't been in the right part of the workforce. I see a lot of foreign investment in the real estate sector and the U.s. will start looking like vancouver soon enough.

 

[ShortBusDriver]

Yes. Look at Italy before and after lockdown. Look at other countries. Look at Brazil for an example of not locking down

Italy has the 2nd highest elderly population in the world and a population density 2.2x higher than the United States.

So would having 1-2% of your population die to a virus. The economy can recover, but dead people stay dead. Reopening isn't going to be some magic bullet, either. People are still going to avoid going out

Can we just be honest what an utter horse shit claim this is for a second?

The US has 85,000 deaths out of a population of 325,000,000 people.

You're telling me a highly contagious diseases with no vaccine and no herd immunity and it only managed to kill 0.026% of the population?

 

[neverendingmidi]

There are chinese callers cold-calling homes in our area making offers to buy houses. If you think all these businesses can just pause everything and not pay rent/lease/insurance/employees for a whole quarter, you haven't been in the right part of the workforce. I see a lot of foreign investment in the real estate sector and the U.s. will start looking like vancouver soon enough.

My dad was starting to get really pissed off by these, especially since their house is almost paid off. My mother suggested telling them the minimum bid we would accept is $2 million. This seems to kind of stymie them, they're not quite sure where to go with that.

Mind you, houses in the area are going for $100-150 thousand.

 

[Shield Breaker]

@Hollywood Hulk Hogan you have a good heart, you sound like you are approaching everything from a position of someone who has been upper middle class their entire life. For a lot of people, it isn't a matter of not buying a new car for a few more years, or cutting back on their spending. It's a matter of making it or not. A lot of people can and will die due to keeping the economy shut down, especially in the 3rd world like someone pointed out earlier. You don't have to agree with it, but please don't act like everyone else doesn't care.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

@Hollywood Hulk Hogan you have a good heart, you sound like you are approaching everything from a position of someone who has been upper middle class their entire life. For a lot of people, it isn't a matter of not buying a new car for a few more years, or cutting back on their spending. It's a matter of making it or not. A lot of people can and will die due to keeping the economy shut down, especially in the 3rd world like someone pointed out earlier. You don't have to agree with it, but please don't act like everyone else doesn't care.

That's why I want a UBI until this shit is under control. Yes, it'd be expensive, but we could undo those tax cuts from a few years ago and cut expenses elsewhere.

Brazil is a disease-ridden shithole that couldn't keep an olympic pool from turning green and is so polluted that half the water olympic events ended with participants contracting flesh-eating bacterial infections because they pump raw sewage into the ocean right next to their most popular beaches and swimming areas. The Chinese Disease is killing people en masse there because their immune systems are already overloaded by exposure to their average environment.

If anything, living in squalor should make their immune systems even better...

 

[MrJokerRager]

Well that bourgeois kulak just got BTFO by an unexpected source. Now this issue is settled.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/fauci-says-extended-stay-home-orders-could-cause-irreparable-damage

http://archive.li/OYTdj

Stay-home orders that extend too long could cause the U.S. “irreparable damage,” Dr. Anthony Fauci warned Friday.

Strict crackdowns on large gatherings and other orders, such as for home quarantines, were needed when the coronavirus first hit the nation, but those rules can now begin to be lifted in many parts of the country, Fauci said during an interview on CNBC.

“I don’t want people to think that any of us feel that staying locked down for a prolonged period of time is the way to go,” the member of the White House coronavirus task force said.

“But now is the time, depending upon where you are and what your situation is, to begin to seriously look at reopening the economy, reopening the country to try to get back to some degree of normal.”

He warned, however, against reckless reopenings and called for the use of “very significant precautions” as restrictions are lifted.

“In general, I think most of the country is doing it in a prudent way,” he said. “There are obviously some situations where people might be jumping over that. I just say, ‘Please, proceed with caution if you’re going to do that.’”

Fauci’s comments came one day after two top Republicans – Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky and Rep. Andy Biggs of Arizona – wrote in an op-ed that Fauci’s initial safety recommendations had “emasculated” the nation’s health care system and “ruined” its economy.

“Fauci and company have relied on models that were later found to be deficient. He even has suggested that he can’t rely on any of the models, especially if the underlying assumptions are wrong,” the pair wrote in USA Today. “Yet, Fauci persists in advocating policies that have emasculated the medical care system and ruined the economy.”

They also pointed to Fauci's testimony last week before a Senate committee that opening too soon would “result in needless suffering and death.”

“What about the countless stories of needless suffering and death produced by Fauci’s one-size-fits-all approach to public health?” Paul and Biggs asked.

They called for policies based on trusting the risk assessment of the American people rather than a federal government mandate.

Earlier Friday, Fauci said it was “conceivable” that the U.S. could begin to distribute a coronavirus vaccine by December.

“Back in January of this year when we started the phase 1 trial, I said it would likely be between a year and 18 months before we would have a vaccine,” Fauci said during an interview on NPR. “I think that schedule is still intact.

“I think it is conceivable,” he continued, “if we don’t run into things that are, as they say, unanticipated setbacks, that we could have a vaccine that we could be beginning to deploy at the end of this calendar year, December 2020, or into January, 2021.”

 

[Chan the Wizard]

Good. You need to consoom. Questioning the consooming is treasonous.

 

[ConfederateIrishman]

I don't get why it's a dichotomy of "let everyone die" and "ignore it completely".

No you have to either keep poor people in lockdown until they starve or patriotically refuse to wear any masks

 

[Zero Day Defense]

That's why I want a UBI until this shit is under control. Yes, it'd be expensive, but we could undo those tax cuts from a few years ago and cut expenses elsewhere.

Dude, I've already broken down the cost of that for you, which is why I don't agree with @Shield Breaker that you're saying any of this in good faith. I also don't think that you're approaching this from the position of someone who's been upper middle class their entire life, because someone that's been upper middle class their entire life would have received enough education to realize that printing out that kind of money for an indeterminate period of time would invariably bankrupt the country and leave everyone destitute, and no amount of Robin Hood'ing would even sufficiently mitigate that reality.

ADD: Actually, I take that back. Someone that's been upper middle class their entire life probably received enough faulty education to think that monthly UBI for the workforce for an indeterminate period of time would be feasible, let alone reasonable.

 

[Mr. Skeltal]

Sorry I am not an autistic edgelord like you, but I value human life. You only get one life to live.

I hope you stay safe

Why should I be forced to spend that life cooped up with no job?
For the sake of Ethel and Mortimer? They were going to die before this whole mess, - we all are going to die eventually - if the WuFlu sped that up then it's perhaps tragic, but still inevitable.

Call me a selfish edgelord all you want, but I would rather be able to afford a funeral for my elderly loved ones instead of dying in sheer destitution because "oooo scary virus bad".