Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

Zemporer said:
Entertaining is all I ask if I'm going to sink the time into a book (good writing, too, but I'm not greedy).

A few years back when I was justifying the purchase of a Kindle, I thought the old Pocket Books Star Trek novels would be perfect to read as e-books.

I'll check them out. Thanks.
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Then yeah, i'd say you'd like them.

Q-squared really is a good one to start with. If you end up not liking it, you'll probably not care for the others. After that, probably I, Q and then the Qc trilogy.
 
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Ihavetinyweewee said:
The biggest wasted TNG feature concept was a movie dealing with Picard/Q. You could do some crazy things with that premise...
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By the time of the feature films Q had moved on from Picard and was trying to fuck Janeway.
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Honka Honka Burning Love said:
Outside of Q just showing up to fuck with Picard because Q is a dick I don't think there is a good place for Q to go. All Good things basically ended that plot, Picard proved that Humanity does indeed grow and solved the problem that Q put up to him.

Though I think one episode of Q showing up, and trolling Picard with the concept that "His disease is making Q appear in his head and it is not really Q." because Q would fucking do that.

Unless you are going to some really awful cheesy "Picard is chosen to join the Q because he is WORTHY!" tm
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Q would be recast as a female POC, because of course the all-powerful omnipotent trickster was a white male and it needs to be changed.

Better yet, have her be played by Melissa McCarthy and have all of her lines be ad-libbed.
 
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RumblyTumbly said:
First Contact is the most watchable and competent of the TNG films, but its really baffling to me that with the war with the Dominion going on in DS9 that we never got a Dominion story for the TNG crew. I mean the Dominion War was pretty big...where was the Enterprise during all of this?!

FC also makes little sense considering the Borg's standing as a major threat to the Federation had taken a nosedive in the later seasons of TNG.
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There were basically two sets of producers at that time: one for DS9 and one for VOY/TNG films. They made an agreement that DS9 wouldn't touch anything involving the Borg or the Enterprise and the VOY/TNG team wouldn't introduce any plot developments to the Dominion War arc.
 
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I've been working my way through the remastered blu-rays of TOS that I've owned for years and hit season 2 and Mirror, Mirror. Is TNG the only ST show that didn't have a Mirror Universe episode? I know DS9 and Enterprise did. I never watched all of of Voyager (or any of Discovery), so can't speak for them either.
 
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I've been working my way through the remastered blu-rays of TOS that I've owned for years and hit season 2 and Mirror, Mirror. Is TNG the only ST show that didn't have a Mirror Universe episode? I know DS9 and Enterprise did. I never watched all of of Voyager (or any of Discovery), so can't speak for them either.
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Voyager doesn't. Discovery spends half a season in the mirror universe.
 
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Tookie said:
I still maintain that Janeway's behavior is so erratic she would be indistinguishable from her Mirror Universe counterpart.
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Course: Oblivion was like an anti-Mirror episode. It showed the alternate crew doing far better than their real counterparts: avoiding the Borg alliance, making great speed gains, Paris wasn't an eco-terrorist and the crew was settling down and getting married.
 
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Flexo said:
Voyager has episodes that are almost mirror universe like (the Doc's fan fiction, the history debate episode, the imposter episode) but non with actual mirror universe.

The COMICS on the other hand...
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I did really enjoy the Doc’s fanfic episode, just because everyone got to play exaggerated versions of themselves in his self insert fic.

And Tom’s revenge fic was pretty hilarious.
 
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Tookie said:
There were basically two sets of producers at that time: one for DS9 and one for VOY/TNG films. They made an agreement that DS9 wouldn't touch anything involving the Borg or the Enterprise and the VOY/TNG team wouldn't introduce any plot developments to the Dominion War arc.
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Iirc there also was some crap about the Enterprise E being a "hero ship" fit only for movies not lowly TV series. Supposedly the studio answer when everyone asking where TF the Enterprise E was during the Dominion War.
 
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Uranus Pink said:
Iirc there also was some crap about the Enterprise E being a "hero ship" fit only for movies not lowly TV series. Supposedly the studio answer when everyone asking where TF the Enterprise E was during the Dominion War.
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4 books. 2 were TNG and were about what the E was doing at the time. The other 2 were literal novelized DS9 episodes.

(have I read too many trek books? maybe I've read too many trek books)
 
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Uranus Pink said:
Iirc there also was some crap about the Enterprise E being a "hero ship" fit only for movies not lowly TV series. Supposedly the studio answer when everyone asking where TF the Enterprise E was during the Dominion War.
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I vaguely remember that but it was more about the producers not wanting to step on each other's toes and having to coordinate airing schedules if one would impact the other.

The "hero ship" thing was funny because the movie plotlines had the Enterprise being completely sidelined during the war.
 
Maybe I'm just too much of good old days diehard, but I have effectively pretended everything after Enterprise never happened and the movies ended with Nemesis.

My reasoning is simple. Everything up to Enterprise tried to be the show Star Trek always intended itself to be, which was about visiting strange new worlds and delivering plot before wokeness most of the time. Yeah, Voyager dropped the ball quite a bit, and Enterprise had a lot of wasted potential, but even Enterprise TRIED to be what was envisioned since the original series.

And why I end on accepting the first ten movies is simple: yes, they had gotten shitty by Nemesis, but it was still recognizable as the same universe as what came before it.

Nu-Trek movies did all sorts of crazy plot hole inducing nonsense that made no sense even for a reboot, Discovery went woke, and Picard is basically "Patrick Stewart goes senile and guzzles 55 gallon drums of woke koolaid". Their plots are shit, they defile all that came before them in the name of being poorly disguised social justice vehicles, and they make for shit entertainment.

Star Trek for me was ended at the points I mentioned above. Anything past that is like that vile sludge monster from the TNG episode "Skin of Evil", and like that monster, they are worth abandoning forever as not being worth shit.
 
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