Crunchy Parents General

[Troonos]

I don't understand how homeschooling, baby wearing, and cloth diapering are "holier-than-thou".

One is libertarian, one is convenient, and one is fiscally responsible. Everything else on the list, sure... totally retarded and pseudoscientific.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

I don't understand how homeschooling, baby wearing, and cloth diapering are "holier-than-thou".

One is libertarian, one is convenient, and one is fiscally responsible. Everything else on the list, sure... totally exceptional and pseudoscientific.

It’s not the act of doing them, it’s claiming to be better than other people for doing them.

 

[NoReturn]

Let’s talk about freebirthing!

It’s when you don’t have any medical attendant at birth, not even a poorly trained midwife.

They’re also opposed to inductions, which is when doctors start labor medically instead of having it happen naturally. The reason for this is because having the baby stay inside too long is bad. If you’re still pregnant by 41 weeks (39 is full term), doctors will induce.

Anyway, this lady was still pregnant at 45 weeks (!!) because people on the internet told her she should wait for it to happen naturally and the baby died. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ctors-online-groups-convinced-her-it-n1140096

She’s not the only one.

I remember this one. There was a bit where a woman who had to be induced asked the doc
"What would have happened if this situation happened like 200 years ago?"
The doctor told her that both she and the baby would have died and her reaction to that was to call the doctor "dramatic".

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

I remember this one. There was a bit where a woman who had to be induced asked the doc
"What would have happened if this situation happened like 200 years ago?"
The doctor told her that both she and the baby would have died and her reaction to that was to call the doctor "dramatic".

What’s stupider is inductions happened two hundred years ago! Even Hippocrates talked about them. It isn’t a new concept. People in communities where women have 6+ children and where they regularly breed animals will notice that staying pregnant for too long leads to stillbirth and try to prevent that, whether by stripping of the membranes or with herbs.

 

[Driftwood]

All these 'trust nature' bitches are morons. Nature views you as an individual expendable. If you die giving birth to child 6 and that child dies too, nature does not care as long as at least one of the other 5 survive to successfully reproduce. Nature views the mother as more important than the child. Many animals abort during times of stress. Women are more likely to miscarry males in times of stress. Breastmilk production is taxing on the mother and therefore shuts off at the drop of a hat, assuming it even started at all. Your body gives no shits if the baby is ready to stop or not, it is done with that and the kid either lives or dies, but you will be fertile here again shortly to try again in any case. That is all that matters - the cold number.

It is interesting to read Wikipedia pages about various historical women and see things like that woman died in childbirth, however, the baby survived. A girl, who later died herself in childbirth. Some of the surviving fathers of those children never got over their grief of losing their wives or lovers to childbirth. See the Taj Mahal for starters. But it is all a big joke to these nutbags. They have never personally seen or heard of a woman dying in childbirth, so it must not happen or is nothing to worry about. Modern medicine is a victim of its own success.

 

[MysticMisty]

Let’s talk about freebirthing!

It’s when you don’t have any medical attendant at birth, not even a poorly trained midwife.

I had a teacher who once randomly told us that on the off chance she ever became pregnant, she'd do this. Only she flat-out stated she'd do it out in the desert so she could be sure no one would be there. And then told us she didn't want to hear anything about how bad of an idea that is, so no one said anything.

I haven't heard any stories about a dead teacher and newborn found in the middle of no where, so I guess she never became pregnant.

 

[Based Papa John]

I had a teacher who once randomly told us that on the off chance she ever became pregnant, she'd do this. Only she flat-out stated she'd do it out in the desert so she could be sure no one would be there. And then told us she didn't want to hear anything about how bad of an idea that is, so no one said anything.

I haven't heard any stories about a dead teacher and newborn found in the middle of no where, so I guess she never became pregnant.

Can I safely assume that this woman is the type that wouldn't likely get pregnant, if you catch my drift?

Otherwise, I don't particularly care whether birth takes place in a hospital or at home, provided that expert help and sanitation are taken into account. However, that's just absolutely insane. It's telling that not even ancient societies practiced "free birthing," and even they knew that was a dumb idea.

More to @Zwiebelkönigin 's point, it's for that reason why any philosophy that says nature is inherently good either has a rosy view of nature or thinks that the things that you mention are inherently good scares me.

There's a weird intersection between fundamentalist Christians and Neopagans when it comes to some of this "crunchy" stuff. Not to power level too much, but I've seen more of the former variety than the latter. Most Christian crunchy moms don't usually go as far as their neopagan counterparts, but they get dangerously close (e.g., vaccines). This sort of crunchy mentality seems very odd to me, given that nature is considered to be under the curse of sin: while there is order, it is a marred order. The weak get trampled. The mother dies or aborts its own fetus. If the father is till present, it will eat the young. In cases like black widow spiders, females will eat their mates, etc. One has to be very careful when defaulting to nature in arguing for the inherent "goodness" of something for the reasons you mention.

 

[MysticMisty]

Can I safely assume that this woman is the type that wouldn't likely get pregnant, if you catch my drift?

You are absolutely correct, and she was pretty open about not wanting to even have kids either (but was a high school teacher). Just that on the off chance it happened she wouldn't abort, and go out to the middle of no where to pop it out alone.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

Can I safely assume that this woman is the type that wouldn't likely get pregnant, if you catch my drift?

Otherwise, I don't particularly care whether birth takes place in a hospital or at home, provided that expert help and sanitation are taken into account. However, that's just absolutely insane. It's telling that not even ancient societies practiced "free birthing," and even they knew that was a dumb idea.

More to @Zwiebelkönigin 's point, it's for that reason why any philosophy that says nature is inherently good either has a rosy view of nature or thinks that the things that you mention are inherently good scares me.

There's a weird intersection between fundamentalist Christians and Neopagans when it comes to some of this "crunchy" stuff. Not to power level too much, but I've seen more of the former variety than the latter. Most Christian crunchy moms don't usually go as far as their neopagan counterparts, but they get dangerously close (e.g., vaccines). This sort of crunchy mentality seems very odd to me, given that nature is considered to be under the curse of sin: while there is order, it is a marred order. The weak get trampled. The mother dies or aborts its own fetus. If the father is till present, it will eat the young. In cases like black widow spiders, females will eat their mates, etc. One has to be very careful when defaulting to nature in arguing for the inherent "goodness" of something for the reasons you mention.

It’s not natural for human males to eat their children. Actually, their bodies produce more of a specific hormone after the birth of their child to make them act more paternally. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4970346/)
What’s natural for humans is to support other members of our group, including during labor. Giving birth alone is not natural.

 

[Bani]

I don't think I agree with the observation that crunchy parents are liberal. From what I've observed, crunchiness transcends politics. Generally if crunchies are political, they only care about one issue. The most common political stances among crunchies seem to be pro-life, animal rights, or environmentalism (rarely all at once.) Most of the tenets of crunch beliefs, like anti-vax, home births, and anti-formula, are apolitical in nature. Conservative crunchies might care more about pro-life or homeschooling, and liberal crunchies are often more obsessed with cruelty-free/veganism, but they're otherwise mostly the same. If you're a preachy cunt endorsing an obscure child-rearing tactic, you're crunchy, and there's not much else to it.

As for parents who troon out kids, I think that's more munchie than crunchy-- it's classic Munchausen by proxy. I'm sure some troon parents are vegan granola liberals, too, I just don't think it directly pertains to the gender stuff.

 

[ProgKing of the North]

I follow several facebook pages that are devoted to posting screenshots of crunchy fb groups and it's always funny that they're comprised of about 2/3 conservative prepper types and 1/3 lefty hippy types and it's almost always a powder keg waiting to explode

A LOT of the conservatards are Q fans (including STOP MANDATORY VACCINATION admin Larry C(r)ook) and that really doesn't sit well with the libtards

 

[Daughter of Cernunnos]

It’s not natural for human males to eat their children. Actually, their bodies produce more of a specific hormone after the birth of their child to make them act more paternally. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4970346/)
What’s natural for humans is to support other members of our group, including during labor. Giving birth alone is not natural.

I just love that you provided a source for the statement:

It's not natural for human males to eat their children.

You still could not convince vorefags on reddit.

 

[LazarusOwenhart]

Fucking home-schoolers piss me off. No offence to anyone here who was home schooled, I'm not saying it's impossible to be a well educated/well adjusted person when your parents school you but in general Parents are NOT the people who should educate kids. The school environment does more than just fill up a kids head with knowledge. It equips them to function in a society of varied personalities. My wife was friends with a crunchy as fuck mother whose husband was cucked to hell (protip, you baby does not have a Melanin condition if you're both the whitest people ever born and your kid looks like Michael fucking Jordan.) He worked away 6 days a week to support her and their four super duper special kids which she home schooled. The eldest was a 13 year old girl who I shit you not struggled to spell basic words and still couldn't toilet independently. Another significantly less crunchy friend of my wife took up home schooling after her young son was bullied to the point where he wouldn't go to school anymore. She lasted 3 months.

 

[MysticMisty]

Fucking home-schoolers piss me off. No offence to anyone here who was home schooled, I'm not saying it's impossible to be a well educated/well adjusted person when your parents school you but in general Parents are NOT the people who should educate kids. The school environment does more than just fill up a kids head with knowledge. It equips them to function in a society of varied personalities. My wife was friends with a crunchy as fuck mother whose husband was cucked to hell (protip, you baby does not have a Melanin condition if you're both the whitest people ever born and your kid looks like Michael fucking Jordan.) He worked away 6 days a week to support her and their four super duper special kids which she home schooled. The eldest was a 13 year old girl who I shit you not struggled to spell basic words and still couldn't toilet independently. Another significantly less crunchy friend of my wife took up home schooling after her young son was bullied to the point where he wouldn't go to school anymore. She lasted 3 months.

Unless there's normal homeschooled Kiwis, I've never met someone that was homeschooled that wasn't weird at best. There's one case where I suspect emotional abuse went on and control was a factor.

 

[LazarusOwenhart]

Unless there's normal homeschooled Kiwis, I've never met someone that was homeschooled that wasn't weird at best. There's one case where I suspect emotional abuse went on and control was a factor.

All the home schooled kids I've met have been socially maladjusted and unable to function. One of the kids I mentioned in my previous post was a 7 year old boy who thought it was super OK to throw my fucking Oculus Rift down on a wooden floor in anger when it didn't fit him. I'd given him permission to try it out IF it fit. It didn't.

 

[❄️❄️❄️]

Even if you take the education aspect of school away, it's still crucial in teaching children how to socialise and interact in a 'normal' way. Funny the crunchies never seem to worry about what their homeschooling does in that regard!

 

[LazarusOwenhart]

Even if you take the education aspect of school away, it's still crucial in teaching children how to socialise and interact in a 'normal' way. Funny the crunchies never seem to worry about what their homeschooling does in that regard!

I've always found that they are of the belief that society as a whole is a sort of poison and their super special spawn are above all of that.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

I've always found that they are of the belief that society as a whole is a sort of poison and their super special spawn are above all of that.

Both lefty and righty home school parents think all public schools are in the South Bronx.
They also think their kids are either gifted or special needs, or both. If they’re both they call them ‘2e’, or ‘twice exceptional’, which sounds like mockery but it isn’t. A homeschool parent never has a regular child who mostly gets good grades and will get into the local state college without much trouble but nowhere else.

 

[Sparklepants]

I've always found that they are of the belief that society as a whole is a sort of poison and their super special spawn are above all of that.

“My kid doesn’t need to socialized like a dog!” If they aren’t they might as well be feral children but go off I guess

 

[Pineapple Fox]