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Michigan, USA

Governor Gretchen Whitmer (D)'s husband Marc Malloy, a dentist by profession, allegedly attempted to use his position to get to the head of the line to get his boat put in the water in the Grand Traverse Bay area (Northwest Lower Peninsula). He was informed that he would have to wait his turn like everyone else.
NorthShore Dock LLC, the company making the claim, has either deleted or hidden their FaceBook page after posting about the alleged incident, but Google Cache caught it, and I archived it from there. Someone else had it archived normally, with people's comments.
(A&N Thread) (archive of NorthShore's FB post)
[ETA: According to NorthShore, Mr. Malloy was respectful and understanding when told the company couldn't schedule him early. The mainstream media have picked up the story. Governor Whitmer's spokesperson has neither confirmed nor denied the accusations, saying they don't respond to every rumor online.
(archive)]

Another lawsuit, this time by 120 gyms. Filed in U.S. District Court in Grand Rapids (West Michigan)
(archive)

SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN
Shelter-in-place order from Tuesday March 24 to Monday April 13. Friday, May 1, Friday, May 15, May 28, but May 22 for the farthest north, May 21, kind of? But also June 12 May 1, maybe? (archive May 21) (executive order saved on KF) . The Republican-controlled legislature has refused to extend Governor Whitmer's emergency authority. Governor Whitmer insists her emergency orders are all still in effect (Rundown on the laws).
State attorney general Dana Nessel (D) is also leaving enforcement of the stay-at-home order to local discretion until the courts weigh in on it (archive). She has stated Governor Whitmer's orders are valid and are to be enforced (archive). The legislature is not calling for civil disobedience at this time (archive).
The legislature has filed a lawsuit against the governor (archive). Oral arguments were heard May 15 (archive). A Court of Claims judge has ruled in favor of the governor. The legislature has appealed.
State senate leader Mike Shirkey (R) is also supporting a petition drive to change the law. Such a petition would require 340,047 signatures to be collected. It would be veto-proof if approved by the legislature, and would go on the next general election ballot if denied by them (archive 1, archive 2, archive 3).
U. S. Rep Paul Mitchell (R - The Thumb) has filed a lawsuit independently against Governor Whitmer, in federal district court. Link, pdf on KF. He has also founded a committee to work on the petition recommended by Sen. Shirkey.
There have been over a dozen lawsuits against Governor Whitmer's actions during this crisis, mostly regarding the shut-down order, in various stages of progress and in various courts (summary of eight of them). However, "all deadlines applicable to the commencement of all civil and probate actions and proceedings" are suspended until the end of the states of emergency and disaster. Executive order, and thus in limbo. (archive).

OTHER SHUTDOWNS
Recap from NPR
Major protest at the State Capitol April 15 (A&N thread). Minor protest outside Governor's Mansion April 23 (archive). Protest at the State Capitol April 30 (A&N Thread). Protest at the capitol May 14 (archive).
Auto manufacturing resuming May 18. (archive)

ECONOMY AND MISCELLANY
Unemployment reached 22.7% in April. (Archive - May 20). It should be lower now, as factories, etc. reopen.
Massive phone-tracking project reveals Michigan travel is nearly back to normal (website).
The State is facing a $2.5 billion budget shortage (archive).

HEALTH CARE
Hydroxychloroquine banned by governor's order (archive). Nevermind LOL! Now she's asking the federal government for it and claiming the ban was a mistake in the first place. (archive). Detroit-area hospitals are testing the drug's effectiveness as a preventative on first responders and health-care workers (archive). Article on results, May 8 (archive).
Up-to-date count of available hospital beds, etc. in the State (the Detroit area is "Section 2, North and South.")(government website)
State of affairs May 5 - about half as many hospitalized cases and ICU cases as on April 12 (archive).
Detroit field hospital, capacity 1,000, closed. Never had many more than 20 at any time. (archive, May 7).
The state is going to add "probable" deaths from Coronavirus to our death tolls. (archive - May 20)

LAW AND ORDER
All localities given more discretion to release prisoners early (archive). It was an executive order. Who knows if it's still valid?
Detroit shootings up, but most other crime down (archive - April 30); Muskegon police report crime is up (archive).
Breaking the lockdown is a misdemeanor, punishable by $1500 fines and 90 days jail time. (Still valid???) Governor Gretchen Whitmer (D) has stated there will not be a "ramp up" of police enforcement (archive). The attorney general has left it to local law enforcement to close businesses, as her hands are full with price-gougers and con artists (archive).
The police cannot, at present, pull drivers over simply for being out during the shutdown (archive). Multiple sherrifs from the rural north to Detroit suburbs have stated they will not be enforcing or not strictly enforcing parts or the entirety of the order (archive). An increasing number of businesses are quietly ignoring or publicy defying the shut-down orders.

OFFICIAL DEATH TOLL

The Michigan Department of Health and Human Services reviews deaths and adds overlooked cases to the count three days a week: Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday. Recovery counts are updated on Saturdays.

MDHHS said:
Regular reviews of death certificate data maintained in Vital Records reporting systems are conducted by MDHHS staff three times per week. As a part of this process, records that identify COVID-19 infection as a contributing factor to death are compared against all laboratory confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the Michigan Disease Surveillance System (MDSS). If a death certificate is matched to a confirmed COVID-19 case and that record in the MDSS does not indicate the individual died, the MDSS record is updated to indicate the death and the appropriate local health department is notified. These matched deaths are then included with mortality information posted to the Michigan Coronavirus website.
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Detroit Metro (pop. 3,860,000 total; 1,796/sq. mi.; 694/sq km):*

34,558 confirmed / 4,097 dead
34,485 confirmed / 4,092 dead yesterday
(i.e. 5 new deaths, down 9 from this day last week)
Normal Detroit Metro Death Rate: 104 per day.**

Other Michigan (6,120,000; 65/sq. mi.; 25/sq km):

20,323 confirmed / 1,143 dead
20,194 confirmed / 1,136 dead yesterday
(i.e. 7 new deaths, down 3 from this day last week)
Normal not-Detroit Death Rate: 167 per day**

All Michigan (9,990,000; 103/sq. mi.; 40/sq km):

54,881 confirmed / 5,240 dead
54,679 confirmed / 5,228 dead yesterday
(i.e. 12 new deaths, down 12 from this day last week)
Normal Michigan Death Rate: 271 per day.**

Death toll doubled since: April 20.
We were locked down from: March 24 (until April 30? May 21),
Masks have been mandatory in stores since: April 27 (until April 30?).

Detroit Metro Daily Deaths Last Seven Days:
77*** / 26 / 22*** / 13 / 50*** / -1^ / 6 = 218***

State Government site, daily - today's archive;
State Gov site, total, includes breakdowns by sex, age, race and ethnicity - today's archive.
*Here defined as the City of Detroit, and Macomb, Oakland, and Wayne Counties, minus state and federal prisoners, who are not counted towards any county's cases, but are kept in categories of their own.
** As of 2018.
*** 43, 31, and 44 statewide deaths, respectively, were added on these days upon State review. Presumably most were in Detroit, but I don't know exactly how many.
^ 4 deaths were subtracted from Detroit City's total, and 3 deaths reported elsewhere in the tri-county.
One Ann Arbor man allegedly killed by his roommate in a Corona-related dispute (archive). The suspect has been released from custody while the investigation continues (archive).
One Flint security guard allegedly murdered for telling a woman that her daughter needed to wear a mask in a dollar store. Multiple suspects are in custody (archive, A&N thread).
 
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Dave Cullen did an interview with Dr. Dolores Cahill who has a number of ... novel ... theories about Coronavirus and lockdowns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ua6meLlYJdY
https://archive.vn/zfW1Q

Audio as an mp3 because it's huge

She makes a number of claims I haven't heard before

1) That Hydroxychloroquine is a cure in large doses and one pill every 3 weeks acts as a prophylactic
2) That the outbreaks in Italy and Wuhan were made more serious because of the influenza vaccine used in those areas
3) That once you've had it you're immune for life
4) That Gates wants to shut down farming to push meat substitutes
5) That COVID19/Sars-Cov-2 has had 12 nucleotides inserted to it, i.e. that it has been hacked in a lab, to make it more infectious
6) That most people are already immune to the virus at this point

I think she's lost her mind, to be honest - there are so many radical and novel claims here and very little backing for them. However I'm sure this video got nuked off Youtube and that is something I'm opposed to, even for videos that I disagree with. Cullen uploaded it to Bitchute and it's being mirrored by other channels on Youtube.

Bitchute mirror
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Avc6_ftzk3w/
 

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From the series "weird European things" we have:

Bars in Milan can't sell take-away alcohol after 7 PM and "people won't be able to buy beer in small shops nearby"


(this is meant to be against people drinking and congregating)

I am sure it will be very effective, the notion of "supermarkets" is alien to Milan and nobody will think about, say, bringing vodka and orange juice from home.

In Germany they sell these tablets:


It just means "extended release tablet" but I wish it meant what it seems to mean in English. I think *that* disease is the *real* pandemic, the virus just accelerated the trend, imho.
 
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Dog-O-Tron 5000v5.0 said:
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As to the toilet paper thing, I know I bought a couple packs of tp and paper towels back in late Feb when it was popping off on here. I can't recall seeing anything urging me to, but I think I was recalling some tales of urban horror/collapse of society from guys in Venuzuela or Yugoslavia I'd read a couple years back. Something along the lines of tp being something nobody thinks of but it ran out fast. It was cheap so I figured why not.

I don't know if this is for sure over, or if we'll get a second wave or the economic effects will be far worse in a few months. But even though things didn't get as bad as I thought, I feel I'm far more prepared for anything than before, I was very much a "buy it when you run out" person who arrogantly assumed if I really needed anything I was 10 min away from several 24 hour stores, 2 days out from any Amazon delivery, and never carried cash or kept any in my home. Now that's changed, and I can weather a short term crises or long term malaise. I haven't quite got to the level of "prepper ready for Mad Max with 5 years of food" but I'm satsified with where I'm at.

And while some things were as bad as I thought they'd be and some things didn't get as bad, I'm glad to be wrong on that. For example, in the US despite some abortive attempts they never closed state borders, forced people to stay indoors (in most states), declared martial law, or had a govt takeover of grocery stores for food distribution like in China. We had some temporary food shortages but nothing bad, and the power grid stayed up. There weren't people dropping dead in the streets, dying in hospital hallways, and the emergency temp hospitals went largely unused. We haven't been tipped into hyperinflation (yet). Even my stocks bounced back.

I might be eating these words in the fall, but I think this has shown that our society is more resiliant than many thought.
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Nah dude, the virus was/is a nothingburger, but there's a decent chance society's going to collapse within the next few years thanks to the extreme overreaction.
 
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Barnard said:
Initial antibody testing (archive)
Barnard said:
Initial antibody testing (archive)
Today's results - everybody healthy (archive)
Latest update on Silesian miners: 36 thousand tested, 10% infected (archive)
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Today's results - everybody healthy (archive)
Latest update on Silesian miners: 36 thousand tested, 10% infected (archive)
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Thanks! Hahaha what a "screening test"... either test them properly or don't. They don't say which tests, how accurate they are. What's the point then? Will someone trust the negative results? I am sure someone's cousin or something imported the tests. They cost about 120 zl. (40 USD) each when they are cheap, for every 15 tests they could have bought a decent defibrillator.

Let's see what the miners in Silesia will really have.

I just hope people will not be bamboozled into thinking how the government is great and let's vote for them but will notice the waste of money.

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EmuWarsVeteran said:
That's just typical antivaxx lunacy. For the record: if you check the gates foundation's leaks thread you'll see me BLAST the fuck out of corona repeatedly. And as you'll see, the so called inserts are BULLSHIT. No one has proven any vaccine has anything to do with corona. And no one has proven in any way that old rona could possibly use antibodies as vectors, which is the only way a vaccine could make it worse. I will not debunk the part about gates hating farms and trying to push meat subsidies though. Because gates is insane. Using hydroxychloroquine, or ANY OTHER ANTIMICROBIAN as a prophilactic isn't just insane but also illegal and is why china produces so many antibiotic resistant strains to begin with! And the doubts I had about the ISCIII study seem to have been cleared as my contact claims it was for real back to front. So most people are not immune, at least not on most areas.
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The ENE-COVID study mentioned here is interesting. The preliminary results are here in Spanish if anyone wants:


43% of PCR (+) patients had anosmia (lack of smell) as a symptom. However, here I think it's important to know that a lack of smell happens in many other respiratory conditions and with advancing age it can happen "just like that", reaching 60% in older (85+) black [US definition] people. Also it's subjective, so I think if somebody worries about that, it's likely to happen. I tend to take subjective symptoms with a grain of salt as if people are already worrying they are likely to over-represent the symptom.

Also it's interesting to see how the patients reported the symptoms, as it makes a huge difference whether it's a form with yes/no or they are not asked any questions and freely report.

A good example is people who come with chest pains and never had a heart attack (those who already had one will say "it's like the last time" or not).

If you ask where is the pain, they will mostly point where they think a heart attack is felt and will exclude a real heart attack to the joy of the doctor :biggrin:

If you describe the pain from a heart attack and ask "do you have that?" they will most likely say "actually yes" and will often believe that they have these pains because merely describing them suggests them.

Example: the American Heart Association shows that high blood pressure does not cause headaches ( https://www.heart.org/en/health-top.../what-are-the-symptoms-of-high-blood-pressure ) except in a hypertensive crisis
 
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Link(s)? I figured there'd be a sort of domino effect.
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I don’t remember if I saw it on 8kun or freespeechextremist.com. It came out yesterday and I was goncerned about the fatality rate when the food logistics chain gets broken.
 
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Michigan, USA

Governor Gretchen Whitmer (D)'s husband Marc Malloy, a dentist by profession, allegedly attempted to use his position to get to the head of the line to get his boat put in the water in the Grand Traverse Bay area (Northwest Lower Peninsula). He was informed that he would have to wait his turn like everyone else.
NorthShore Dock LLC, the company making the claim, has either deleted or hidden their FaceBook page after posting about the alleged incident, but Google Cache caught it, and I archived it from there. Someone else had it archived normally, with people's comments.
(A&N Thread) (archive of NorthShore's FB post)
[ETA: According to NorthShore, Mr. Malloy was respectful and understanding when told the company couldn't schedule him early. The mainstream media have picked up the story. Governor Whitmer's spokesperson has neither confirmed nor denied the accusations, saying they don't respond to every rumor online.
(archive)]

Another lawsuit, this time by 120 gyms. Filed in U.S. District Court in Grand Rapids (West Michigan)
(archive)

SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN
Shelter-in-place order from Tuesday March 24 to Monday April 13. Friday, May 1, Friday, May 15, May 28, but May 22 for the farthest north, May 21, kind of? But also June 12 May 1, maybe? (archive May 21) (executive order saved on KF) . The Republican-controlled legislature has refused to extend Governor Whitmer's emergency authority. Governor Whitmer insists her emergency orders are all still in effect (Rundown on the laws).
State attorney general Dana Nessel (D) is also leaving enforcement of the stay-at-home order to local discretion until the courts weigh in on it (archive). She has stated Governor Whitmer's orders are valid and are to be enforced (archive). The legislature is not calling for civil disobedience at this time (archive).
The legislature has filed a lawsuit against the governor (archive). Oral arguments were heard May 15 (archive). A Court of Claims judge has ruled in favor of the governor. The legislature has appealed.
State senate leader Mike Shirkey (R) is also supporting a petition drive to change the law. Such a petition would require 340,047 signatures to be collected. It would be veto-proof if approved by the legislature, and would go on the next general election ballot if denied by them (archive 1, archive 2, archive 3).
U. S. Rep Paul Mitchell (R - The Thumb) has filed a lawsuit independently against Governor Whitmer, in federal district court. Link, pdf on KF. He has also founded a committee to work on the petition recommended by Sen. Shirkey.
There have been over a dozen lawsuits against Governor Whitmer's actions during this crisis, mostly regarding the shut-down order, in various stages of progress and in various courts (summary of eight of them). However, "all deadlines applicable to the commencement of all civil and probate actions and proceedings" are suspended until the end of the states of emergency and disaster. Executive order, and thus in limbo. (archive).

OTHER SHUTDOWNS
Recap from NPR
Major protest at the State Capitol April 15 (A&N thread). Minor protest outside Governor's Mansion April 23 (archive). Protest at the State Capitol April 30 (A&N Thread). Protest at the capitol May 14 (archive).
Auto manufacturing resuming May 18. (archive)

ECONOMY AND MISCELLANY
Unemployment reached 22.7% in April. (Archive - May 20). It should be lower now, as factories, etc. reopen.
Massive phone-tracking project reveals Michigan travel is nearly back to normal (website).
The State is facing a $2.5 billion budget shortage (archive).

HEALTH CARE
Hydroxychloroquine banned by governor's order (archive). Nevermind LOL! Now she's asking the federal government for it and claiming the ban was a mistake in the first place. (archive). Detroit-area hospitals are testing the drug's effectiveness as a preventative on first responders and health-care workers (archive). Article on results, May 8 (archive).
Up-to-date count of available hospital beds, etc. in the State (the Detroit area is "Section 2, North and South.")(government website)
State of affairs May 5 - about half as many hospitalized cases and ICU cases as on April 12 (archive).
Detroit field hospital, capacity 1,000, closed. Never had many more than 20 at any time. (archive, May 7).
The state is going to add "probable" deaths from Coronavirus to our death tolls. (archive - May 20)

LAW AND ORDER
All localities given more discretion to release prisoners early (archive). It was an executive order. Who knows if it's still valid?
Detroit shootings up, but most other crime down (archive - April 30); Muskegon police report crime is up (archive).
Breaking the lockdown is a misdemeanor, punishable by $1500 fines and 90 days jail time. (Still valid???) Governor Gretchen Whitmer (D) has stated there will not be a "ramp up" of police enforcement (archive). The attorney general has left it to local law enforcement to close businesses, as her hands are full with price-gougers and con artists (archive).
The police cannot, at present, pull drivers over simply for being out during the shutdown (archive). Multiple sherrifs from the rural north to Detroit suburbs have stated they will not be enforcing or not strictly enforcing parts or the entirety of the order (archive). An increasing number of businesses are quietly ignoring or publicy defying the shut-down orders.

OFFICIAL DEATH TOLL

The Michigan Department of Health and Human Services reviews deaths and adds overlooked cases to the count three days a week: Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday. Recovery counts are updated on Saturdays.



Detroit Metro (pop. 3,860,000 total; 1,796/sq. mi.; 694/sq km):*

34,558 confirmed / 4,097 dead
34,485 confirmed / 4,092 dead yesterday
(i.e. 5 new deaths, down 9 from this day last week)
Normal Detroit Metro Death Rate: 104 per day.**

Other Michigan (6,120,000; 65/sq. mi.; 25/sq km):

20,323 confirmed / 1,143 dead
20,194 confirmed / 1,136 dead yesterday
(i.e. 7 new deaths, down 3 from this day last week)
Normal not-Detroit Death Rate: 167 per day**

All Michigan (9,990,000; 103/sq. mi.; 40/sq km):

54,881 confirmed / 5,240 dead
54,679 confirmed / 5,228 dead yesterday
(i.e. 12 new deaths, down 12 from this day last week)
Normal Michigan Death Rate: 271 per day.**

Death toll doubled since: April 20.
We were locked down from: March 24 (until April 30? May 21),
Masks have been mandatory in stores since: April 27 (until April 30?).

Detroit Metro Daily Deaths Last Seven Days:
77*** / 26 / 22*** / 13 / 50*** / -1^ / 6 = 218***

State Government site, daily - today's archive;
State Gov site, total, includes breakdowns by sex, age, race and ethnicity - today's archive.
*Here defined as the City of Detroit, and Macomb, Oakland, and Wayne Counties, minus state and federal prisoners, who are not counted towards any county's cases, but are kept in categories of their own.
** As of 2018.
*** 43, 31, and 44 statewide deaths, respectively, were added on these days upon State review. Presumably most were in Detroit, but I don't know exactly how many.
^ 4 deaths were subtracted from Detroit City's total, and 3 deaths reported elsewhere in the tri-county.
One Ann Arbor man allegedly killed by his roommate in a Corona-related dispute (archive). The suspect has been released from custody while the investigation continues (archive).
One Flint security guard allegedly murdered for telling a woman that her daughter needed to wear a mask in a dollar store. Multiple suspects are in custody (archive, A&N thread).
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It would be a shame if somebody drilled holes in the bottom of that boat.
 
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Jaimas said:
Here in NY, we have watched in abject horror as NYC has done what they do in literally every scenario - and by that I mean put policy in action without any care whatsoever for the rest of the state, as per tradition. The thing is, their pattern of doing this has finally come home to roost, and because of it, NYC is dying, and it's entirely Cuomo and DeBlasio's fault.

The progressives are fleeing NYC in droves, and in true slacktivist fashion, taking their money with them. Over 80% of Vornado's retail tenants failed to pay rent for both April and May. Over 40% of its office tenants likewise skipped rent. Massive price drops have happened in the apartment market and no one's biting because there's no clue as to when NYC will reopen and NYC has basically taken in zero tax revenue for months. Landlords can't legally evict tenants at this time, but they can't show off any of their properties until Phase 2 of the opening happens and Cuomo has given no indication of when the fuck that's happening. The biggest city in NY is teetering towards bankruptcy, and no one gives a damn because they did it to themselves.

The results of this are going to be riotously entertaining in november.
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The apartment thing has me wondering what affects this will have on the housing market. Market in the area is hit or miss, with pretty high inflation due to a recent and large influx of out of staters either buying houses after ruining the housing market in their own area and dumping their property to buy bigger property in this area, or buying houses to "flip" them because they saw on HGTV that you can buy a house, paint the fence, and TOTALLY sell it for a 275% markup, right?!?! Lots of people buying houses and renting them out, too.

Makes me wonder what Covid and the massive rent/house payments being missed is gonna do to all this.

FuckedUp said:
Nah dude, the virus was/is a nothingburger, but there's a decent chance society's going to collapse within the next few years thanks to the extreme overreaction.
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Simpadoo said:
Years? Some economists are saying this June or July.
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What exactly are they saying? I've got a bad feeling about the food supply logistics thing, but I still kinda think that's a nothingburger. The problem is, that's the sort of thing that's a nothingburger until it VERY SUDDENLY ISN'T, and by the time we know it's going to be weeks or months too late to do anything about it. So I don't know what all to make of it.
 
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The video in question:
 
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nya001 said:

96,492 results

here's one: "The Dicovery of HIV as the Cause of AIDS", Robert C Gallo et al., N Engl J Med., 2003.

PRO TIP: once you become a professional virologist and find the "real" cause for AIDS, let the world now, you might get a Nobel prize and become very rich and in the process save many people. Did you call already a hospital to share your thoughts?

Oh and also explain with retrovirals help against AIDS because it seems weird to me.

Also not to be a virologist but imho something called "Human Immunodeficiency Virus" might have the name because it is linked to the "Acquired ImmunoDeficiency Syndrome". Just a thought.

In the meantime, I myself will stick to the science and avoid getting infected by HIV-positive people, whatever the number after "HIV" they have :-)



Hello, what is the source for the news about Lodz and Schlesien? no disrespect meant, but I like to check myself sources :-)
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"Find the original scientific paper linking HIV to AIDS. PRO TIP: it doesn't exist "

Find the

....original....

scientific paper linking HIV to AIDS. PRO TIP: it doesn't exist

Find the original
Find the original
Find the original

PRO TIP: it doesn't exist
 
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FuckedUp said:
Nah dude, the virus was/is a nothingburger, but there's a decent chance society's going to collapse within the next few years thanks to the extreme overreaction.
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I hope we don't devolve into a tlou esque world. All it's missing is mushroom zombies
 
FuckedUp said:
Nah dude, the virus was/is a nothingburger, but there's a decent chance society's going to collapse within the next few years thanks to the extreme overreaction.
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I do not understand how society will collapse the virus has not killed enough people for that to happen. I'll literally work for food if I need to survive. It would be super difficult to starve if worst comes to worst the government would allocate resources to food production. I would work to feed my countrymen the virus isn't killing many people so it would draw a lot of people like myself who would do it. You can sit at home plenty of people would pick up the slack so we don't all die of starvation its not like food is finite.
 
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One of these days I'll learn to avoid the cancer that is the coronavirus subreddit, but I wandered over there earlier and all I can say is, I am so grateful for Kiwi Farms that I can't even put it into words. So many adults speaking sanely about a subject is an absolute blessing.
 
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FatalTater said:
One of these days I'll learn to avoid the cancer that is the coronavirus subreddit, but I wandered over there earlier and all I can say is, I am so grateful for Kiwi Farms that I can't even put it into words. So many adults speaking sanely about a subject is an absolute blessing.
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YOU JUST WAIT TWO WEEKS!

(two months later)

TWO WEEKS!
 
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