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Marvin, no man, Sheriffs are notoriously corrupt and it's because they are elected rather than employed by a supervising authority.
Fair enough, agree to disagree. They work well in Maryland which is my primary exposure to them. Perhaps they're shittier elsewhere.

Edit: to clarify, most (numerically speaking) Maryland counties, including all the little tiny ones, the primary law enforcement agency is the locally elected sheriff's department. It generally works fine here. Now all the huge, most populous counties (like 6-7 of them) have professional, executive-branch police departments. Those are appointed by the local ruling Democrat party and only serve rich asshole donors to the party. Poor people or people living in poor neighborhoods get shafted.
 
You don't need magic powers to back into a cops gun belt and pull his sidarm from it's holster. Seriously, this isn't a difficult concept and HAS happened before. Either you've got brain damage, or you're trolling.
Considering the fact that every single one of those cops has at least a level two retention holster I would allege that, yes, someone would need some sort of arcane assistance in doing just that.
 
Fair enough, agree to disagree. They work well in Maryland which is my primary exposure to them. Perhaps they're shittier elsewhere.

Edit: to clarify, most (numerically speaking) Maryland counties, including all the little tiny ones, the primary law enforcement agency is the locally elected sheriff's department. It generally works fine here. Now all the huge, most populous counties (like 6-7 of them) have professional, executive-branch police departments. Those are appointed by the local ruling Democrat party and only serve rich asshole donors to the party. Poor people or people living in poor neighborhoods get shafted.
Montgomery County police executed Duncan Lemp a few months ago. He was sleeping in his bed when they came to serve a Red Flag notice. He was working on a P2P solution for guns rights activists to communicate securely. There's been no bodycam footage, the police have been silent despite multiple requests from family and lawyers.

Would hesitate to say MD police are a model for law enforcement. From what I understand, the FOP is able to shut down investigations anywhere in the state.
 
Considering the fact that every single one of those cops has at least a level two retention holster I would allege that, yes, someone would need some sort of arcane assistance in doing just that.
For real, I've got a pretty cheap retention holster. It does the job but it's not like super fancy. If I was in a scrap with someone and I was sober and they managed to get my sidearm out when I didn't want them to... idk, I think that's entirely on me.

I normally don't try to pry into too deeply about how police are trained, because honestly I have no experience with it. I generally just argue "well, idk, pay them $60k more a year and hold them to higher responsibilities".

But for real? The holster argument is fucking dumb and I think it's an incredibly insulting comment against police competency to insinuate they'are allowed to use "what if he grabbed my gun" as an excuse to kill a few more percent people a year.
Montgomery County police executed Duncan Lemp a few months ago. He was sleeping in his bed when they came to serve a Red Flag notice. He was working on a P2P solution for guns rights activists to communicate securely. There's been no bodycam footage, the police have been silent despite multiple requests from family and lawyers.

Would hesitate to say MD police are a model for law enforcement. From what I understand, the FOP is able to shut down investigations anywhere in the state.
You'll see me crop up in these threads every so often making the exact same points over and over.

And the Democrats are in bed with the FOP over it.

I think all Baltimore police are shitheads because they willingly pay dues to the FOP, but all the rich Democrats are responsible too for continuing it.

Many years ago I stopped calling the police and just bought a firearm instead.

I love Baltimore but our government is dogshit. (lol it was hilarious when Trump called Baltimore dirty and everyone here got super offended and tried to clean up the city to "own da trumptards")
 
But for real? The holster argument is fucking dumb and I think it's an incredibly insulting comment against police competency to insinuate they'are allowed to use "what if he grabbed my gun" as an excuse to kill a few more percent people a year.

Even if it were a valid argument that wasn't even the situation and we have video proof of that. There were three officers, allegedly competent and trained, (why else would they be on the job?) and he was face down, handcuffed, and subdued. He perished in custody and there is not a single reason why that should have ever happened. As far as I know the Minneapolis Police Department is not in the business of racially cleansing the mean streets of the Upper Midwest and even if they were they could've easily skipped about ten minutes of dramatic pleading and executed him Soviet-style on the sidewalk.

Nothing said here has been enough to convince me that these officers should not be charged with a crime. I have seen plenty of appeals to authority and pleading for a bit of understanding and empathy, but someone was kind enough to record evidence to the contrary. I have no sympathy for these officers because they had several minutes worth of opportunities to put that allegedly uncooperative individual in the back of a car and leave him there to howl at the moon or whatever crackheads do when they're all alone and in handcuffs.
 
You'll see me crop up in these threads every so often making the exact same points over and over.

And the Democrats are in bed with the FOP over it.

I think all Baltimore police are shitheads because they willingly pay dues to the FOP, but all the rich Democrats are responsible too for continuing it.

Many years ago I stopped calling the police and just bought a firearm instead.

I love Baltimore but our government is dogshit. (lol it was hilarious when Trump called Baltimore dirty and everyone here got super offended and tried to clean up the city to "own da trumptards")
Been a long time since I went to Baltimore, but everyone I knew there had a gun. Teachers in elementary schools, people working in the Inner Harbor, folks living in Camden and Germantown, liberals up on Charles Street, doctors working at Mercy and Loyola, they were either carrying or had a piece in their house. You could buy a pre-ban full auto assault weapon on the campus of Johns Hopkins, there are literal armories in every building. The stories I could tell.

That city drove me nuts. Would never live there because law enforcement is all a dance, you have legitimate homicidal maniacs on the streets and no one can agree very long on whether or not to deal them. The Baltimore PD is being sent into a warzone every single day and the FOP is mostly there to keep them from going to jail for doing what everyone is begging for. That culture makes its way to State Troopers and gets carried over to the most podunk communities in the middle of nowhere.

That said - all this focus on victims rights reminds me there's 2 sides to every story. What happened to Freddie Gray was absolutely wrong, but the environment where those officers operated was wronger. I think that's what people figured out in the end, despite all the social justice types screaming about the humanity. Every time I see a police take down video that looks abominable, I just want to know more about what was going on in that neighborhood. That's usually the real story.
 
Been a long time since I went to Baltimore, but everyone I knew there had a gun. Teachers in elementary schools, people working in the Inner Harbor, folks living in Camden and Germantown, liberals up on Charles Street, doctors working at Mercy and Loyola, they were either carrying or had a piece in their house. You could buy a pre-ban full auto assault weapon on the campus of Johns Hopkins, there are literal armories in every building. The stories I could tell.

That city drove me nuts. Would never live there because law enforcement is all a dance, you have legitimate homicidal maniacs on the streets and no one can agree very long on whether or not to deal them. The Baltimore PD is being sent into a warzone every single day and the FOP is mostly there to keep them from going to jail for doing what everyone is begging for. That culture makes its way to State Troopers and gets carried over to the most podunk communities in the middle of nowhere.

That said - all this focus on victims rights reminds me there's 2 sides to every story. What happened to Freddie Gray was absolutely wrong, but the environment where those officers operated was wronger. I think that's what people figured out in the end, despite all the social justice types screaming about the humanity. Every time I see a police take down video that looks abominable, I just want to know more about what was going on in that neighborhood. That's usually the real story.
Sounds a bit more strapped than my experience with the city (I'm only ~30), but fair enough.

In the past decade or two, Baltimore in general is about as safe as anywhere else I've been in the country, when you account for socio-economic situations.

That is, there are rich areas of Baltimore, poor areas of Baltimore, and they're more or less as safe as you'd expect compared to other places in the US, economically appropriately. I lived in a low income neighborhood of the city for a bit a few years ago. I would distinguish like... idk, 8-mile/bombed-out warzone crackhouse tier neighborhoods from merely "low income" neighborhoods, because the low income neighborhoods still have families and neighborhood community attitudes where people look out for each other. Crime is higher there, but not by much. You probably won't get murdered, just robbed, and even then neighbors keep an eye out for each other. It's only when you're in the neighborhoods with abandoned buildings when you should be seriously afraid, and those types of neighborhoods are the same anywhere in the US.

Funny you should bring up Freddie Gray. I agree that a national media trial isn't fair to those police, but I would respond with that a national media trial wasn't enough for the Gun Trace Task Force scandal (https://archive.is/jkWCU), where cops intentionally carried BB guns to plant on people they shot.

I still think it's fucked that the general idea is that we can trust basically postal worker tier state employees with firearms and lethal force without a tenth of the scrutiny we give to any other governmental group.

Like, I don't even care as much about the legal/moral aspect (I do but) so much as where my money is going. Fuck it, disarm the police, I'll buy a gun and shoot the motherfucker myself and call y'all to clean up. Shit, I had situations where I could've ordered a pizza and had better service than my police (actual serious situations where they had a warrant out on the guy). Fuck it, I just wanna arm pizza guys. At least if they don't come quickly enough, I get a free pizza.
 
1) anecdotal evidence suggests that the Basketball American demographic is more likely to die from chokeholds, to the point where PDs have specifically prohibited using them on nogs in the past.

2) there was absolutely zero legitimate reasons for the oinker to keep his knee on that niggers neck

3) expect them to be deliberately overcharged with 1st degree murder and aquitted.

4) expect dindus to burn down their own hood again

5) hopefully some of them will shoot up a cop infested donut shop instead
 
Between this and Amaud Arbaury, shit was going fine until the batflu came to tear this country a new asshole. And shit loads of suicides die to lockdown.
Yet despite the lockdown, people find ways to kill or be killed.

The cop didn't NEED to use excessive force on a pinned man. Not only does that make you and your department look bad, but people are going to take you less seriously. Scared of the cops.

But welcome to America. And A&N.
 
They were fired, which is good, but did they also lose their peace officer certifications? If not then if they aren't charged with crimes they'll just get hired two towns over in a couple of months.
 
Libs on twitter found a picture of the kneeling cop with a "Make Whites Great Again" cap. Orthogonally of whether the knee is what caused the death or not, this could provide a motive. I can't find any references to the hat or the OP, so I'm putting 30% chances of it being shopped or misattributed, but still.

EDIT: Turns out it was indeed fake news!
 

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I’ve been cuffed throw on the ground and had the shit kicked out of me by law enforcement. They lied every step of the way, and I just gave the video to my lawyer, and that went away.

Now, having said that, there is no such thing as an innocent police officer/Fed. I can see a Oklahoma City bombing incident targeted at a police station happening. If that did happen I’d put money on that guys books and tell the dead cops kids the worlds a slightly better place now.

iveOnly had a few run in with the cops ( mainly from being pulled over) and out in the country they are pretty chill. I just do the “yeah I know I was going 80” and either get a warning or just told to be careful. The city cops? Fuck sake bunch of assholes act like I’m a criminal because I keep an ar15 pistol in my car. I don’t usually like that I DONT HAVE TO ANSWER THAT shit, but fuck them.

Why do you have a gun in your car? Give me a ticket or let me go. Can I search your vehicle? No, I don’t want someone fucking my car up because I keep it clean. When I say I’ll wait for dogs they let me go. Fuck it, next power tripping cop I deal with I won’t be so polite.
 
Yeah, that's why they search their pockets and waistband when they have them cuffed and on the ground. That's just basic police work.

Cops can miss things during a field search. It's happened in the past, which is why officers are trained not to let their guard down until the perp is at the jail and thoroughly searched, usually by strip search.

Dude, not only did one cop have a knee on his neck there were two more holding down his torso and legs. You're going to need magic powers to shoot a cop with his gun or take out a knife from your waistband and go stabby stabby.

They had him on the ground so he couldn't do those things. Seriously, this shouldn't be so difficult for people to understand. They had him on the ground and kept him pinned so he couldn't get up to fight/run or move around enough to potentially get his cuffs around his legs and his hands in front of him. If he's up on his feet he can still kick, headbutt, bite, potentially pull a weapon he has concealed on him that the officers may have missed, or try to back up into one of the officers to make a grab for their sidearm. If hes sitting down he can lift his ass up off the ground, get his cuffs around to the back of his legs, and bring his the cuffs around his feet to get his hands in front of him. At that point he could get his cuffs around the neck of one of the officers or try for one of their sidearms. This kind of thing happens literally every day without perps dying.
 
Cops can miss things during a field search. It's happened in the past, which is why officers are trained not to let their guard down until the perp is at the jail and thoroughly searched, usually by strip search.



They had him on the ground so he couldn't do those things. Seriously, this shouldn't be so difficult for people to understand. They had him on the ground and kept him pinned so he couldn't get up to fight/run or move around enough to potentially get his cuffs around his legs and his hands in front of him. If he's up on his feet he can still kick, headbutt, bite, potentially pull a weapon he has concealed on him that the officers may have missed, or try to back up into one of the officers to make a grab for their sidearm. If hes sitting down he can lift his ass up off the ground, get his cuffs around to the back of his legs, and bring his the cuffs around his feet to get his hands in front of him. At that point he could get his cuffs around the neck of one of the officers or try for one of their sidearms. This kind of thing happens literally every day without perps dying.
If they would've literally decapitated him with a machete while he was restarined you would be arguing that it was a necessary security meassure to prevent bites or destroying evidence, and that restraining criminals is a civil pig right backed up by law or something moronic like that, not giving a shit about brutality or excessive use of force but the extent of how the pigs are always dindus for people like you knows no limit.

When even Kiwi Farms and fucking Devon Tracey (a gargantuan police boot-licker), talk against the cops then maybe that means that you are actually kind of a disingenuous, shit eating apologist.


Using your brain instead of just regurgitating bias is not something to be ashemed of, just saying.

Otherwise you really are wasting people's time here, maybe you should lurk somewhere else in the forums for now.
 
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I think he's just being honest. Do you really care or feel any emotion that some little kid died in a tragic escalator accident in China earlier today? I certainly don't and I value my family, friends, and even physical possessions more than some random person's life.
Your reply made my stomach hurt. I do feel a little sad. And I would have done what I could to save him.
 
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If they would've literally decapitated him while he was restarined with a machete you would be arguing that it was a necessary security meassure to prevent bites or destroying evidence, and that restraining criminals is a civil pig right backed up by law or something moronic like that, not giving a shit about brutality or excessive use of force but the extent of how the pigs are always dindus for people like you knows no limit.

You really are wasting people's time here, maybe you should lurk somewhere else in the forums.

It wasn't excessive force. It's standard operating procedures for literally every law enforcement agency in the US when a suspect is resisting arrest or there's reason to suspect he will try to flee or fight after being cuffed. All I'm doing is trying to educate people who obviously have had zero experience with the law enforcement side of an arrest. If the autopsy report comes back and says the perp asphyxiated due to the officer's negligence, then I agree charges should be pressed against the officer. All I've said one way or the other is to wait for a coroner's report stating what the guy actually died from before getting the pitchforks and lynch ropes.

Edit: For the record, at worst this is negligent homicide. The officer was using an approved and time-proven method of keeping a perp under control until they can be placed into a transport vehicle. The fact that the guy could still talk shows that his airway was clear enough to breathe. But, again, I'm going to wait for the autopsy report to come back before condemning anyone involved.
 
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I’m usually skeptical about the police brutality stuff because it’s usually both sides acting like arses.

not here - this is cut and dried murder. If you put someone on their front with their hands cuffed their breathing is already somewhat compromised. Any pressure on the body it’s further compromised. To apply ANY pressure to the neck is asking to kill them. It’s not just breathing, it can compress vessels and cause strokes/circulation issues. Putting your knee and a part of your body weight on is just beyond belief. That he could initially speak doesn’t mean his airway and circulation wasn’t compromised.

The guy was prone, down, and cuffed. He was going nowhere. The cop needs to be charged with murder, there’s no ambiguity here. That’s one disturbing video.
 
I’m usually skeptical about the police brutality stuff because it’s usually both sides acting like arses.

not here - this is cut and dried murder. If you put someone on their front with their hands cuffed their breathing is already somewhat compromised. Any pressure on the body it’s further compromised. To apply ANY pressure to the neck is asking to kill them. It’s not just breathing, it can compress vessels and cause strokes/circulation issues. Putting your knee and a part of your body weight on is just beyond belief. That he could initially speak doesn’t mean his airway and circulation wasn’t compromised.

The guy was prone, down, and cuffed. He was going nowhere. The cop needs to be charged with murder, there’s no ambiguity here. That’s one disturbing video.
Do you know that by expertise or is this just gut feeling? In the latter case, wait for the autopsy.
 
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