Fat Acceptance Movement / Fat Girlcows

Like most others she started off in the vintage/rockabilly scene... aka the only scene where middle-aged failed-to-launchers can flex and feel 'beautiful' by corsetting down and hiding everything (fat) under a circle skirt or a New Look Dior style dress. So the makeup/hair goes hand in hand with that. *side note: the vintage/VLV community could have its own whole thread - word of warning, if you're into the aesthetic don't go near the community if you're conventionally attractive and south of 35/40. It is like Mean Girls on crack, all these bitchy losers who project their high school shit younger women.

I remember when I dressed her being actually kind of in awe of her body. Literally. I think she may have had the most extreme bust to waist to hip ratio I've ever encountered. Yeah she's a big girl, but I thought she was stunning. She has shit tattoos, but she knows how to pose. And, unlike a lot of folks circling my biz, was genuinely kind of cool.

Thought she had thicker skin though, I remember she used to post a lot of melt downs on FB about muh fat insecurities. Pretty sure I binned her after one such 'stop hitting on my husband in front of me' type rants. **edit: I did not! I don't think George is truly a lolcow, but I've got the hookup if it plays out that way.

I suppose the whole rockabilly / pinup aesthetic is like "not being like other girls" for thirtysomethings. Zoomers and later millennials have the ToTeS QuIrKY GaMEr gURl aesthetic; early millennials and GenXers have rockabilly. And just as your average e-thot gets likes and OnlyFans subscriptions for being able to cross her eyes and stick out her tongue at the same time, your average VLVer can get likes and attention by re-enacting the nose art from a B-17.
 
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So wait, you don't even have to apply? Morbidly obese people are offered the chance at weight-loss surgery and a custom-tailored program in exchange for appearing on TV? If you're that sick and struggling so much, that is a hella sweet deal, even if you do end up looking gross in front of America. Your life is more important than your pride.

Bet you ten bucks that a lot of HAES bloggers are secretly praying for an email from Gabe.

I'm sure they scout because a lot of superfat people would ordinarily be too ashamed to go on TV while the type of superfat people who put themselves online these days have zero shame about baring their flesh to the camera and thus can be assumed to be up for the 600lb Life money shots - the inevitable naked/shower scenes that they pay more for because .. well, it's a freakshow and that's what people tune in for, not to hear them moaning on about their inevitable crappy childhoods.

I'd not be suprised if Anna and the rest got a contact from Gabe either. Imagine what amazing(ly awful) TV Amy Ramadan would make. Wouldn't shock me if Gabe is reading here for ideas, frankly.
 
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I'm sure they scout because a lot of supefat people would ordinarily be too ashamed to go on TV while the type of superfat people who put themselves online these days have zero shame about baring their flesh to the camera and thus can be assumed to be up for the 600lb Lie money shots - the inevitable naked/shower scenes that they pay more for because .. well, it's a freakshow and that's what people tune in for, not to hear them moaning on about their inevitable crappy childhoods.

I'd not be suprised if Anna and the rest got a contact from Gabe either. Imagine what amazing(ly awful) TV AMy Ramadam would make. Wouldn't shock me if Gabe is reading here for ideas, frankly.

The showers, and also close-ups of them eating massive quantities of carbs. Failing to get into cars is always a good draw as well.
 
If you start a diet, do it for a month and then go back to the three large pepperoni pizzas and coke bottles per meal, of course the weight will come back.
The diets these fatties go on are either stupid, unsustainable "crash" diets promising fast results, or else shitty, half-assed versions of diets that actually do work. Low-carb, keto, and vegan all work when you're doing most of your own cooking and using whole ingredients, and can also be sustainable lifestyle changes--but fatties always end up doing them in the dirtiest, most fucked-up ways possible. So of course "diets don't work."

They're miserable, they hate being fat, and they want to lose weight--but the poor impulse control and high need for reward that led them to get fat in the first place also means they want to see results fast. They expect quick results for whatever effort they put in, and are easily discouraged when they don't get them. Food gives them a juicy dopamine hit; losing two pounds in one week does not.

Losing a huge amount of weight takes persistence and patience over a period of months or years, always keeping the next goal in sight, prioritizing what you put in your mouth accordingly--and making that your new normal. You cannot go back to any of your old eating habits, because they are what got you fat in the first place. That's hard to develop in yourself as an adult; overriding your long-established defaults always is.

But when it comes down to it, the kinds of fatties who end up here, claiming that "diets don't work," and screeching about "fat liberation" don't want to give up their current eating habits because food, and eating whatever they want in whatever quantities they please, is the most reliable source of pleasure in their lives. They'll take it over love, sex, friendships, health, freedom of movement, and the ability to take basic care of themselves. They'll take it over life itself, because without that guaranteed endorphin rush they can get from food, life can't possibly be worth living.

I'd actually feel sorry for Chantal or Jen, if they weren't such heinous bitches. Neither of them wants to be fat; they're both obviously miserable. But no matter how many diets they half-assedly attempt, neither of them is willing to change what they're doing, because without the ability to eat freely, what is there? The rest--Corissa, J, Kelly, Jude, Ragen, Tess, Virgie, etc.--have decided that rather than give up their addiction, they're going to make it, and its consequences, a virtue. And we see how well that's working out for them.
 
Ash from the Fat lip Podcast, got an email from the casting office of my 600 pound life. She writes about it on her website.

Here are the highlights. (It's a long read. I'm only posting small parts from it):

There are some topics that I’ve avoided really talking about no matter how many times I’m asked or how qualified I am. One of those is My 600-lb Life. I’m not going to tell you what that is or where to find it. I like to consider it the Voldemort of TV shows. Never speak its name. Except, you know, right now in this essay.

If you don’t know about My 600-lb Life, please enjoy blissful ignorance and never ever google it. Trust me on this. Most of us do know about it. Most fat people have been asked by an acquaintance or family member or stranger on the internet if they know about it. I wish I didn’t.

I hate this fucking show. It is entrenched in and actually makes a product of weight stigma. It creates entertainment around it. This show profits off of its audience’s fear of fatness and disability. And that’s not even touching what it does to the actual fat people it profiles.

My assumption has always been that the people who appear on the show have applied to participate because they have become overwhelmed by their circumstances and are looking for help. It has never and will never be for me to decide what people do with their own lives and bodies. If people are seeking this out, this is not for me to criticize.

But something happened a couple weeks ago. I got an email from a casting office.

Date: Thursday, March 5, 2020

To: ash@thefatlip.com

Subject: My 600-lb Life Opportunity

Hi Ash!

My name is Gabe, I’m a casting assistant working with TLC on their compelling docu-series My 600-lb Life. Each episode follows the lives of real people as they embark on a road to better health and make the courageous decision to change their world forever.

We are looking for individuals over 18 years old, between 500-800 pounds, who live in the continental US and are ready to commit to a year-long program to improve their health. If approved by the show’s physician, selected individuals will also receive Gastric Bypass Surgery.

I know it would be a big change for you. If you are interested in learning more, I would be excited to hop on the phone to discuss this opportunity in more detail!

I’m looking forward to hearing back soon!

All the best,

Gabe

Ain’t that some shit? Clearly Gabe here didn’t do even the most basic research. I have been vocally fat positive on the internet for over 15 years and have made with my own two fat hands a fat liberation podcast that has been running two episodes a month for nearly 4 years. I regularly post photos of my 600 pound body in varying degrees of undress on the internet. I am not the one, Gabe.

I responded to this email as politely and diplomatically as I could possibly manage: “Not no but fuck no.”

I posted about the email and my response on Instagram and over the next few days I heard from at least 8 other fat people who had received nearly identical messages. Not all from Gabe, though. An Instagram friend with inside knowledge said that casting for these shows is done by independent contractors that are paid by referral.

Apparently at least one of these casting assistants (and I suspect all of them based on the people who seem to have been targeted) went right through the infinifat hashtags and hit up anyone who appeared to be in the right weight range.

Y’all, it is HARD to feel safe allowing yourself to be seen in this world when you live in a very marginalized body. Those hashtags and our once-a-month day of visibility are the one place we fucking have, even in the fat community. Many of us still have a tenuous grasp of body acceptance and of the way our bodies look and move. Many of us would not be able to post those photos without seeing their peers doing the same.

On My 600-lb Life nearly every fat person profiled is told that they absolutely must have weight loss surgery. They are told that they are dying and that this is the only way to save their life.

As I said, I contend that there is no way that they or anyone can make this assertion in good faith. But just for argument’s sake, let’s suspend disbelief for a minute. Let’s say that the doctors and show producers feel fervently that they are offering these people an actual lifeline.

How benevolent of them to give this gift, right?! What a bunch of heroes! But the reality–and truly the cruelty–of this whole production is that it is designed to be a spectacle. :story:

But you are in luck! This show can save you! Only one tiny catch, though. Very minor. In order for the show to provide this life-saving (they INSIST it is life-saving) service, you must reveal your most vulnerable moments–your greatest emotional and physical struggles–to a national audience.

Every fear and insecurity must be recorded. Every swollen limb gets a close-up. Have to step sideways through a doorway? Get that on camera. And boy are they ever going to need to film you eating.

The producers of this show will take great care to show the parts of you that the audience will find most horrifying. They want you to seem grotesque. Monstrous. It is very important that your very existence seems as shocking and tragic as possible and that your body seems hideously inhuman.

But you must subject yourself to this–to being made a gruesome spectacle and cautionary tale–to live. These compassionate heroes will save your life for the low, low price of your actual human dignity. I don’t think I need to say how all-kinds-of-fucked-up that is.

And people choose this. Everyone on this show at some point weighed the pressure of systemic fatphobia against the promise of their absolute humiliation and chose this. And it is partly the fat community’s fault.

I firmly believe that if we did a better job of reaching out to our fattest peers and offering our support–including to those that are housebound or bedbound–that maybe some would decide not to turn to a reality show that wants to profit from their suffering. :stress:

And that’s really what My 600-lb Life is about. It intentionally cashes in on our cultural fear and revulsion of fatness, and it does so by manipulating vulnerable very fat people into baring their most personal struggles for an audience that pities them.

I’m begging you not to watch this show.


Link to essay post: http://thefatlip.com/2020/03/21/our-600-pound-lives/
She's not wrong, though, as much as I want to find something wrong with what she wrote. She won't keep people from watching the show, though. One can argue that she is trying to block other fatties from seeking help, but desperate people are not going to deny help just because she says so.

That said, the answer is not to normalize the lifestyle we see on MSHPL. I get wanting to provide help to a person without destroying their dignity, but there is no dignified way to remove a behemoth who cannot walk or fit through a door from their dwelling. And think of the dignity of these people's caregivers. The ones who live with the stench, physical and emotional abuse and other horrors for years and have tried everything they know to help these folks. A relatively short period of indignity for the super fatty is hard to compare to a possible lifetime of trying to care for them.
 
That said, the answer is not to normalize the lifestyle we see on MSHPL. I get wanting to provide help to a person without destroying their dignity, but there is no dignified way to remove a behemoth who cannot walk or fit through a door from their dwelling.

My personal favourite is one where the subject is so big that they have to load her in to the back of a Chrysler Voyager by putting all the seats down and inserting a mattress and an armful of cushions and have her sit in the middle of all this like a big oversized throne.

To be fair also, the people on My 600lb Life don't have much dignity in the first place. Maja, for instance, maintained that the taxi service deliberately sent her a normal car (as opposed to a Chrysler Voyager) to humiliate her and she spent ages trying to get into it and wailing, "CHRISSHUN, WHY WOULD THEY DOOOOOO THIS?"
 
Sorry to derail but to add to Loey Lane, she has a body positive brand called Love Anybody. They sell anti-chafe and stretch mark cream. They're only available at select Target stores. Here's the really rushed music video to promote it.

I can't decide if my favorite part is Loey's horrible lipsynch to her own voice or watching everyone else who's not obese dance while Loey sits there awkwardly in her own music video.

Here's Love Anybody's instagram and twitter. The twitter account seems to be dead since April last year but the instagram's last post was on Valentine's day.
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And more about Loey in general. Here's her 6 years ago versus this year in April.
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I'm no photoshop expert but I'm pretty sure these are both touched up. There are warped grains all over the place. Here's what she really looked like 9 months ago.

She's really like a junior Tess Holiday and I don't think it's a coincidence. She shares the same hair, valley girl voice, life expectancy, and the need to wear as little clothes as possible. She's been exposed several times, mostly due to her lying about her sizing and photoshopping her pictures as well. In this video she claims to be a size 18 but you can clearly see on the tags it says 3X. In true Tess fashion, she's been keeping up the size 18 lie for years. The last time she could've been a size 18 was several years ago.
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Here's a video 6 years ago of her addressing it. And a more recent tweet
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and here's her eating disorder post be every fat body pos has one
 

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My personal favourite is one where the subject is so big that they have to load her in to the back of a Chrysler Voyager by putting all the seats down and inserting a mattress and an armful of cushions and have her sit in the middle of all this like a big oversized throne.

To be fair also, the people on My 600lb Life don't have much dignity in the first place. Maja, for instance, maintained that the taxi service deliberately sent her a normal car (as opposed to a Chrysler Voyager) to humiliate her and she spent ages trying to get into it and wailing, "CHRISSHUN, WHY WOULD THEY DOOOOOO THIS?"
To be even more fair, nobody who would go on any of TLC's trash shows had an ounce of dignity in the first place

I'm sure there's some super fat folks out there who genuinely want to lose the weight, and certainly aren't fat acceptance bloggers or any of that gay shit, but also don't wanna be a public spectacle on trash reality tv.
 
View attachment 1323512 and here's her eating disorder post be every fat body pos has one

Ah, yet another bizarre pretence that one can only be a normal dress size by eating '500 calories a day' and 'hating one's body/oneself' and the moment one stops hating oneself and one's body, one inexplicably must eat 3000+ calories a day to bloat to somewhere in the high plus range numbers and stays there. The only fluctuation over time being the number on the scale and on your clothes labels growing ever larger.

As for the '1200 calories a day' claim upthread .. I think some people do believe they eat 1200 calories a day, because they guesstimate how much they're eating instead of very carefully assessing labels and serving sizes and weighing food to figure out calorie content. People often have zero idea how much they're eating .. they could eat a huge 300g serving of pasta, guesstimate it as 100g and enter that on their calorie chart/app. Just hot coffee drinks these days tend to be calorie bombs worth of large slices of cake. I think many people really have no idea how much is going down their throat and truly believe they eat far, far fewer calories than they do.
 
I suppose the whole rockabilly / pinup aesthetic is like "not being like other girls" for thirtysomethings. Zoomers and later millennials have the ToTeS QuIrKY GaMEr gURl aesthetic; early millennials and GenXers have rockabilly. And just as your average e-thot gets likes and OnlyFans subscriptions for being able to cross her eyes and stick out her tongue at the same time, your average VLVer can get likes and attention by re-enacting the nose art from a B-17.
Rockabilly is, for most of those women, a way to mentally elevate themselves as “classy.” Even with rubbish tattoos, an extra 60 lbs and terrible hair, they tell themselves that the rigamarole of garters and corsets and girdles and day gloves and dated makeup styles from the 50’s and such makes them FAR more of a “lady” than these slovenly women today in cheap yoga pants and men’s shirts. Look how long it takes them to get dressed! Look at all the cutesy overpriced layers of undergarments and garters and stockings and girdles and petticoats and big fluffy skirts that conveniently hide their big thighs and flat arses and chubby lower stomach area! They’re so much better and more put together than these common women today who dress like slobs and don’t appreciate hyper-feminine fashion (the kind that demands daily shape wear, mandatory high heels and makeup and cumbersome undergarments to achieve the desired look but HEY, they have tattoos, so that cancels out the inherent misogyny of the entire getup!).

It’s the female equiavlent of some simp in a fedora (or let’s be honest, a trillby), thinking it makes him old-fashioned and claaaaaassy, m’ladying women on the street.
 
Rockabilly is, for most of those women, a way to mentally elevate themselves as “classy.” Even with rubbish tattoos, an extra 60 lbs and terrible hair, they tell themselves that the rigamarole of garters and corsets and girdles and day gloves and dated makeup styles from the 50’s and such makes them FAR more of a “lady” than these slovenly women today in cheap yoga pants and men’s shirts. Look how long it takes them to get dressed! Look at all the cutesy overpriced layers of undergarments and garters and stockings and girdles and petticoats and big fluffy skirts that conveniently hide their big thighs and flat arses and chubby lower stomach area! They’re so much better and more put together than these common women today who dress like slobs and don’t appreciate hyper-feminine fashion (the kind that demands daily shape wear, mandatory high heels and makeup and cumbersome undergarments to achieve the desired look but HEY, they have tattoos, so that cancels out the inherent misogyny of the entire getup!).

It’s the female equiavlent of some simp in a fedora (or let’s be honest, a trillby), thinking it makes him old-fashioned and claaaaaassy, m’ladying women on the street.

Can we also add to that that back in the 1950s, society was far less obesogenic in general? Fewer people had office jobs and more people had manual labour or physical jobs, kids played outdoors more because there wasn't the constant fear that paedophiles were lurking behind every bush, portion sizes in restaurants and so forth were smaller, there was less readily available high carbohydrate foodstuffs, the drive thru (which was a mistake) did exist but didn't really get super prevalent until the 1970s, coffee shops sold coffee and not a giant pudding in a mug, fast food in general wasn't all over the joint, a Gigantic Gulp was what you took when you realised you'd fucked up hard at work and it was all your fault, and as such people were generally not as fat as they are today. So you could get away with dressing in such a hyper-feminine manner without industrial-grade corsetry because there wasn't all that extra flesh about to burst its moorings.

People claim that, "oh, Marilyn Monroe was a size fourteen," and indeed she was. But there was also something called size inflation that's happened over the past 60 years. Nowadays a size 14 would be a size 20 back then.
 
Can we also add to that that back in the 1950s, society was far less obesogenic in general? Fewer people had office jobs and more people had manual labour or physical jobs, kids played outdoors more because there wasn't the constant fear that paedophiles were lurking behind every bush, portion sizes in restaurants and so forth were smaller, there was less readily available high carbohydrate foodstuffs, the drive thru (which was a mistake) did exist but didn't really get super prevalent until the 1970s, coffee shops sold coffee and not a giant pudding in a mug, fast food in general wasn't all over the joint, a Gigantic Gulp was what you took when you realised you'd fucked up hard at work and it was all your fault, and as such people were generally not as fat as they are today. So you could get away with dressing in such a hyper-feminine manner without industrial-grade corsetry because there wasn't all that extra flesh about to burst its moorings.

People claim that, "oh, Marilyn Monroe was a size fourteen," and indeed she was. But there was also something called size inflation that's happened over the past 60 years. Nowadays a size 14 would be a size 20 back then.
I’ve read she was a size 14...to accommodate the large parts of her extreme hourglass figure, but had her clothes tailored down to fit her waist. They don’t fit on a size 14 or 20 dress form today. Anyway, only an idiot would look at pictures of her and see an overweight woman. She was extremely curvy but still a normal weight—they’re fooling themselves.
 
Monroe’s clothes were fitted onto some mannequins for display recently and she did have a very small waist...the mannequins the clothes were displayed on were like a modern size 4 at most. She was a small woman.

Anyway, even discounting shapewear, rockabilly and 50’s vintage dress styles are incredibly forgiving to bigger women, so long as you get them properly fitted. The cinched waists, blousy tops and big A-line skirts hide a tonne of problem areas...big thighs, cellulite, arse, most of the lower belly, fatter upper arms...while the heavily sculpted hair styles and bright makeup serve to distract even further.

Doesn’t change the fact that they’re 70 years out of fashion and 15 years out of the revival.
 
I’ve read she was a size 14...to accommodate the large parts of her extreme hourglass figure, but had her clothes tailored down to fit her waist. They don’t fit on a size 14 or 20 dress form today. Anyway, only an idiot would look at pictures of her and see an overweight woman. She was extremely curvy but still a normal weight—they’re fooling themselves.

The 1950s '14' bore no relation whatsover to a 2000's 14. Sizes started at an 8.

Her measurements were 35- 24 - 35 or thereabouts. Her largest waist known via her preserved clothing was under 28 inches and that was from a period where she was pregnant and miscarried multiple time around 58-59 and the filming of Some Like It Hot. Her standard waist by modern sizing conventions was a US 2, her chest a US 6-8. At some points her waist was as small as 22 inches. Nothing and I mean absolutely nothing about Marliyn Monroe at any point in her life put her anywhere NEAR the measurements of a modern US size 14, which is an unhealthy waist size on any height and certainly would have been fat as fuck on her at 5' 5". She was 117lb as per the autopsy report when she died in 1962 and her highest known weight was around 140lb.

I've posted a few pages ago about her Pucci blouse. It is labelled a 14. It fits and drapes perfectly on a size 2 dress form. The current owner was displaying it on said dress form a few weeks ago live in instagram. You can also find video of MM wearing said '14' and she's clearly someone who would easily fit into a 4- 6 or below in modern sizes, depeneding on label.

Nothing about Monroe was ever plus size and people who think there is are either vastly misinformed and tend to have no real concept of how the actress actually looked or have even viewed a single film of hers.

If you want to see how slim she really was, search for the photos of her performing in Korea in '54 onstage. She was very slim, albeit with a fairly unusual waist/hip/bust differential which is what put her in the sex goddess category.

If you put a modern 14 next to Marilyn in this footage, you'd see the difference so starkly nobody would ever make the claim again that she was a plus size:

 
The 1950s '14' bore no relation whatsover to a 2000's 14. Sizes started at an 8.

Her measurements were 35- 24 - 35 or thereabouts. Her largest waist known via her preserved clothing was under 28 inches and that was from a period where she was pregnant and miscarried multiple time around 58-59 and the filming of Some Like It Hot. Her standard waist by modern sizing conventions was a US 2, her chest a US 6-8. At some points her waist was as small as 22 inches. Nothing and I mean absolutely nothing about Marliyn Monroe at any point in her life put her anywhere NEAR the measurements of a modern US size 14, which is an unhealthy waist size on any height and certainly would have been fat as fuck on her at 5' 5". She was 117lb as per the autopsy report when she died in 1962 and her highest known weight was around 140lb.

I've posted a few pages ago about her Pucci blouse. It is labelled a 14. It fits and drapes perfectly on a size 2 dress form. The current owner was displaying it on said dress form a few weeks ago live in instagram. You can also find video of MM wearing said '14' and she's clearly someone who would easily fit into a 4- 6 or below in modern sizes, depeneding on label.

Nothing about Monroe was ever plus size and people who think there is are either vastly misinformed and tend to have no real concept of how the actress actually looked or have even viewed a single film of hers.

If you want to see how slim she really was, search for the photos of her performing in Korea in '54 onstage. She was very slim, albeit with a fairly unusual waist/hip/bust differential which is what put her in the sex goddess category.

If you put a modern 14 next to Marilyn in this footage, you'd see the difference so starkly nobody would ever make the claim again that she was a plus size:


I don't think the average fativist cares. After all, when the facts don't fit your story, easier to change the facts, right? Therefore, Marilyn Monroe was a stunning and brave plus size icon and if she were around today she'd be into HAES.

Also, can we stop with the size inflation in general. Easy way of doing that - require sizes to be in inches or centimetres or whatever. Tape measures do not lie, much like scales. When we're at the stage where a size 14 refers to the number of people who can shelter under it, we have a problem on a societal level.
 
I don't think the average fativist cares. After all, when the facts don't fit your story, easier to change the facts, right? Therefore, Marilyn Monroe was a stunning and brave plus size icon and if she were around today she'd be into HAES.

They like to produce the one shoot where she was pregnant/just miscarried and pretend that's what she looked like her whole career. It's aggravating and insulting to both reality and her memory. It's just satisfying to pull out the endless photos that reveal she's was really the size FAs insult as a 'skinny bitch' these days.

Also, can we stop with the size inflation in general. Easy way of doing that - require sizes to be in inches or centimetres or whatever. Tape measures do not lie, much like scales. When we're at the stage where a size 14 refers to the number of people who can shelter under it, we have a problem on a societal level.

I agree 100% about measurements vs sizing. It's why I always try to quote actual measurements when discussing these things. Of course measurements are what in general these plus size or 'mid size' influencers often will not reveal. Mostly because they all pretend to be sizes smaller than they actually are and actual hard numbers will reveal the lie.

You can see the same thing going on online in clothing reviews, btw. Often women will enter their weight when reviewing the clothes but not their measurements, which are what you actually need to make a like-for-like comparison as weight distributes so differently in all of us. For some reason a lot of people shy away from revealing measurements, and I think women's sizing conventions are partly to blame. Men buy pants by waist size (still absolutely vanity sized, but the number is still there) and shirts by chest size, while women can't go to a shop and see and buy the same, its much more obscurantist for various reasons.
 
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