Trump HAS SIGNED Executive Order after Twitter fact-checks his tweet - How fucked are social media corporations for fucking with the First Amendment?

Is this a win for Freedom of Speech?


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The order could be anything from stripping article 230 protections from all websites (effectively closing down Kiwi Farms) to only stripping it from websites with a high enough userbase, to making it illegal to ban/hide tweets from politicians (which would result in a Laura Loomer victory), or even a nothingburger that's just designed to trick his followers into thinking he did something, and so on. Plus, anything enacted now can and will be used by every future president.

I want to read it before making any judgements.
From my understanding, stripping 230 protection would just make the censorship worse. They'd have to start pre-approving all content to make sure it's not something they can get sued over.

My bet would be he just says they can't censor or edit any political speech or something like that.
 
The real issue here is that because Twitter presents itself as a platform, it's protected by regulations that Section 230 offers it that prevent it from damages that could occur the same way that a publisher would be held liable for the content on their platform or any errors therein. When Twitter decided to effectively editorialize a user's content in such a way that it was meant to rebuke the content, they ceased to be a platform and became a publisher. They've toed that line for years, but this was a direct step over the boundary.

Companies like Twitter are protected under Section 230 because these companies are supposed to be platforms for peoples individual thoughts, and this protects them from any liability they might have towards that user's opinions, whatever that liability might be, because it's expressly stated that the company can't be held responsible, because the company has or won't take any effort to editorialize the user's content. It might regulate or remove content in some form, be it shadow-banning or deletion or blacklisting the user, but it won't edit their content to change the meaning.

Moreover, we are still in a state of national emergency and the user that this company decided to try and editorialize was the President of the United States, effectively interfering with his communications. Twitter has made no effort to "correct" any of the people pushing Russian Collusion, nor did they interfere with any blatant propaganda spun by the CCP or by ISIS or by Iran, and they never added any addendums or fact-checks to anyone talking about Ukrainian quid-pro-quo allegations, or any bullshit story that any reporter whipped up that was such a blatant like that they had to personally retract it later.

By editorializing content in the way that they did, it would be very easy to argue that they've become a publisher, and are now exempt from the protections that Section 230 offers, which means they would be subject to the same regulations as other digital publishers: They open themselves to regulation by the FCC.

The FCC and the DCB were given a large amount of power by Section 606 of the 1934 Communications Act, which gave the president complete control over electronic transmissions in the event of war or other national emergencies. Section 606(c) is what gave the president the ability to suspend the entire electronic regulatory system, meaning that if Twitter wants to play games, the President of the United States is well within his authority to direct the FCC to shut their entire company off.

I'm willing to bet that Twitter is going to blink before that happens.

The question is whether Trump will sign an executive order making Twitter a publisher, which will likely be challenged by a Judge, which will likely end up affecting all the major social media websites. Twitter, Google, Reddit, Facebook. It's all really up in the air right now what he'll do, if anything. I mean we all know Silicon Valley wants to shape media narrative, but just not be beholden to the laws of the media.
 
From my understanding, stripping 230 protection would just make the censorship worse. They'd have to start pre-approving all content to make sure it's not something they can get sued over.
which would effectively kill all clearweb social media causing a mass exodus to tor, completely eliminating censorship so we could have CP and buy/sell drugs and crowdfund bitcoin hitmen to kill trannies like we've always wanted.
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Yeah, censor those social medias for censoring you.
forcing a communication platform to stop censoring people isn't censorship. telephone companies aren't allowed to ban people for saying the N-word over the phone and twitter shouldn't be allowed to either.
 
If he had any sense, the order would say something like "Companies meeting X criteria for being a Social Media business have until Y date to present a Terms of Service and moderation policy that makes their intended status as a publisher or platform in the context of Section 230 the Communications Decency Act perfectly clear. After that date I'm directing the DOJ to aggressively prosecute any Section 230 violations."

Just make them fucking choose. They've been cheating the system to get the best of both worlds for a decade now. Force them to either curate at massive volume (hint: they can't and they know it, but are relying on everyone else's technical ignorance to pretend that's what's happening here) or finally back the fuck off and stop trying to take advantage of natural monopolies to propagandize.
 
forcing a communication platform to stop censoring people isn't censorship. telephone companies aren't allowed to ban people for saying the N-word over the phone and twitter shouldn't be allowed to either.
I really don't get how people confuse public and private communications. You, in the comfort of your own home can say the N-word as much as you like, you can call your wife a kike and ask her to steal your shekels as part of some weird sexual roleplay. What you can't do is go to your local supermarket and call the cashier a racist name. You can't do this because you're in a public place and racist and xenophobic language and behavior in public isn't considered protected speech no matter how hard you argue 'muh constitution'. Facebook and Twitter are not private spaces. They're publicly accessible, privately owned, for profit, communal spaces and any content you generate there not only becomes their property, it's also considered publicly available for the most part. Thinking of Twitter or Facebook as a medium for communication as a service is ridiculous, they're not communications platforms, they're data driven advertising platforms where you, the user (or at least your thoughts, opinions and browsing history) are the merchandise to be sold to other private companies. Ultimately all twitter have done is post a link to some actual facts on a tweet that could be considered to contain misinformation. Whether you choose to believe Trump or Twitters opinion on mail in ballots is your choice and yours alone. You have to make up your own mind like an adult.
 
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Kind of a ballsy time to double down on that and make no effort whatsoever to fact check anyone else on the platform, but alright.

While Trump can be fact-checked all day, selectively fact-checking only him says volumes. They were dead silent on pissgate. Corporate propaganda can come in the form of telling the truth--just tell the truth selectively. I bet Twitter is right on the ballot shit but once you enter in this game you're editorializing.


I really don't get how people confuse public and private communications. You, in the comfort of your own home can say the N-word as much as you like, you can call your wife a one of Trump's Chosen People and ask her to steal your shekels as part of some weird sexual roleplay. What you can't do is go to your local supermarket and call the cashier a racist name. You can't do this because you're in a public place and racist and xenophobic language and behavior in public isn't considered protected speech no matter how hard you argue 'muh constitution'. Facebook and Twitter are not private spaces. They're publicly accessible, privately owned, for profit, communal spaces and any content you generate there not only becomes their property, it's also considered publicly available for the most part. Thinking of Twitter or Facebook as a medium for communication as a service is ridiculous, they're not communications platforms, they're data driven advertising platforms where you, the user (or at least your thoughts, opinions and browsing history) are the merchandise to be sold to other private companies. Ultimately all twitter have done is post a link to some actual facts on a tweet that could be considered to contain misinformation. Whether you choose to believe Trump or Twitters opinion on mail in ballots is your choice and yours alone. You have to make up your own mind like an adult.

Except Twitter, facebook, etc receive public communication protections for being supposedly unbiased nonpolitical platforms, they are not legally responsible however many would argue they have become responsible by selectively enforcing rules and biasing rules to one political disposition, in essence making it harder for people to defend themselves and respond publicly and allowing one side of the narrative to speak louder.

By editorializing they've essential relinquished their protections.

Let's not pretend twitter isn't doing this we've all seen who works there and they have almost no tech libertarian types.
 
They day Twitter stops protecting pedophiles' right to lobby for raping kids and stops banning people for misgendering is when they'll have a better chance of convincing me that they are to be trusted to "fact check" anything. I'm not a Trumper. Can't stand the dude, but other people can reply to his tweets and correct him. They're going to have to hire a lot more fact checkers if they are going down this road. I want every troon claim that you can change your sex by declaration to have a big disclaimer explaining that biology says "no". If they don't do that -- they are simply targeting people based on politics that they dislike. That is un-American as fuck.

Besides, do they really think this is going to change anyone's minds? Those who take every word of Trump's as the gospel aren't going to be dissuaded. People who have brains can check out the facts for themselves. If you just blindly believe anything your government tells you (even a guy you voted for), you are a moron.
 
While Trump can be fact-checked all day, selectively fact-checking only him says volumes. They were dead silent on pissgate. Corporate propaganda can come in the form of telling the truth--just tell the truth selectively. I bet Twitter is right on the ballot shit but once you enter in this game you're editorializing.




Except Twitter, facebook, etc receive public communication protections for being supposedly unbiased nonpolitical platforms, they are not legally responsible however many would argue they have become responsible by selectively enforcing rules and biasing rules to one political disposition, in essence making it harder for people to defend themselves and respond publicly and allowing one side of the narrative to speak louder.

By editorializing they've essential relinquished their protections.

Let's not pretend twitter isn't doing this we've all seen who works there and they have almost no tech libertarian types.
Personally I have no stake, the closest thing I use to social media is this site. I don't have a Twitter or Facebook account and I have no interest in either. The protections they have are based entirely on legislation written to protect any publicly available forum from prosecution in the event that the forum is used to communicate something illegal. The goal is to protect, say a News network from being sued by an offended viewer if a dude walks past a live broadcast with a sign that says "Die Niggers Die" and they don't cut the feed fast enough. That protection does NOT oblige the network or provider to be free and unbiased. If that were the case then no news network, magazine, media outlet or content provider deserves that protection because they're all biased. Trump is attacking outlets that disagree with him but those outlets are no more biased than Fox News, but Trump doesn't go after them because they suck his micropeen every evening. Its all bias all the way down. Trump is biased, social media is biased, newspapers, TV, magazines, everyone is biased. You start stripping that protection and the rabbit hole ends with people like Null being forced to make a choice between giving up all our details or going to prison because of our content and that's dangerous because if that happens, there wont BE platforms for discourse. No fucker is going to risk running a forum if they can be prosecuted because some dipshit half the planet away called somebody a coon.
 
Personally I have no stake, the closest thing I use to social media is this site. I don't have a Twitter or Facebook account and I have no interest in either. The protections they have are based entirely on legislation written to protect any publicly available forum from prosecution in the event that the forum is used to communicate something illegal. The goal is to protect, say a News network from being sued by an offended viewer if a dude walks past a live broadcast with a sign that says "Die niggas Die" and they don't cut the feed fast enough. That protection does NOT oblige the network or provider to be free and unbiased. If that were the case then no news network, magazine, media outlet or content provider deserves that protection because they're all biased. Trump is attacking outlets that disagree with him but those outlets are no more biased than Fox News, but Trump doesn't go after them because they suck his micropeen every evening. Its all bias all the way down. Trump is biased, social media is biased, newspapers, TV, magazines, everyone is biased. You start stripping that protection and the rabbit hole ends with people like Null being forced to make a choice between giving up all our details or going to prison because of our content and that's dangerous because if that happens, there wont BE platforms for discourse. No fucker is going to risk running a forum if they can be prosecuted because some dipshit half the planet away called somebody a coon.

I'm not saying this is a good idea or the right way to handle things, but I am saying that twitter, facebook, ESPECIALLY reddit, need to be reigned in. They're moving towards manipulating users and stuff allowing people to be smeared and slandered or such without allowing people to respond. Imagine banning a James Damore-type arguing earnestly about cognitive sex differences and only allowing the woke people to speak on the subject. We really are headed there. The left was conveniently against big businesses and corporate antitrust up until it came to discussing social media, suddenly the Dave Pakmans of the world decided they were libertarian on this issue. That should tell you everything. (The conservatives are hypocrites too)

They're not acting like mere gardners, they're selectively cutting away at the hedges and pruning plants they don't like, and that is an inherently political act.
 
I'm not saying this is a good idea or the right way to handle things, but I am saying that twitter, facebook, ESPECIALLY reddit, need to be reigned in. They're moving towards manipulating users and stuff allowing people to be smeared and slandered or such without allowing people to respond. Imagine banning a James Damore-type arguing earnestly about cognitive sex differences and only allowing the woke people to speak on the subject. We really are headed there. The left was conveniently against big businesses and corporate antitrust up until it came to discussing social media, suddenly the Dave Pakmans of the world decided they were libertarian on this issue. That should tell you everything. (The conservatives are hypocrites too)

They're not acting like mere gardners, they're selectively cutting away at the hedges and pruning plants they don't like, and that is an inherently political act.
But ultimately the individual is responsible for critical thinking and often simply chooses not to do it. It's pretty common knowledge that all media platforms are selective in their reporting but people still use them as sources of information over other forms of media which are maybe less biased and more accurate. You find exactly the same thing in conventional print media where two newspapers might print the same story with incredibly different tones. in the uk The Sun, which is the tabloid newspaper of the masses will print any Brexit story with a hugely right wing anti-European stance, glorying in how we, the plucky UK are humiliating Brussels at every turn and fighting for our liberty and freedom from a tyrannical EU. The Guardian, a more liberal broadsheet will print the same story with a pro European stance and a slight sadness that Brexit happened in the first place. Both papers are ultimately reporting the facts, but there's a huge bias on either side. Facebook and Twitter are the same, they're owned and operated by liberals (and in Facebooks case a vaguely humanoid robot programmed the behave like a capitalist/liberal hybrid) and therefore there's a liberal bias. Trump is the president, he can make statements and announcements via the white house press staff and it will find its way to the public, as presidential statements have done for the last two centuries. Trump chooses to engage with a social media company that he knows is biased against his worldview and he doesn't think that's fair. He could choose not to use the platform but he does, and routinely uses that choice as an excuse to start silly fights with social media companies at a time when the US is leading the world in deaths from a virus which the rest of us are managing to get under control with lock downs and social distancing.
 
But ultimately the individual is responsible for critical thinking and often simply chooses not to do it. It's pretty common knowledge that all media platforms are selective in their reporting but people still use them as sources of information over other forms of media which are maybe less biased and more accurate. You find exactly the same thing in conventional print media where two newspapers might print the same story with incredibly different tones. in the uk The Sun, which is the tabloid newspaper of the masses will print any Brexit story with a hugely right wing anti-European stance, glorying in how we, the plucky UK are humiliating Brussels at every turn and fighting for our liberty and freedom from a tyrannical EU. The Guardian, a more liberal broadsheet will print the same story with a pro European stance and a slight sadness that Brexit happened in the first place. Both papers are ultimately reporting the facts, but there's a huge bias on either side. Facebook and Twitter are the same, they're owned and operated by liberals (and in Facebooks case a vaguely humanoid robot programmed the behave like a capitalist/liberal hybrid) and therefore there's a liberal bias. Trump is the president, he can make statements and announcements via the white house press staff and it will find its way to the public, as presidential statements have done for the last two centuries. Trump chooses to engage with a social media company that he knows is biased against his worldview and he doesn't think that's fair. He could choose not to use the platform but he does, and routinely uses that choice as an excuse to start silly fights with social media companies at a time when the US is leading the world in deaths from a virus which the rest of us are managing to get under control with lock downs and social distancing.

Considering the media and social media were happy to parrot shit like the Covington kid was racist when he was, if anything, nervous and actually had done stuff to diffuse the situation a bit, and people just gulped it down and social media did little to stop it and did not "fact check," and people are dumb enough to believe that and Pissgate, I'm not sure it's in society's best interest to allow these propaganda machines to keep destroying lives and letting an impressionable and gullible populace to rely on their "critical thinking."

Do you really think social media should not be culpable when they don't remove stuff like life-destroying smears about the Covington kid but are willing to correct relatively-minute things Trump says? When you play an uneven ball game, you're editorializing and thus complicit in the libel as they basically aid and abet it.
 
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