Trump HAS SIGNED Executive Order after Twitter fact-checks his tweet - How fucked are social media corporations for fucking with the First Amendment?

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[ElAbominacion]

Oh I agree there. Social media is a cancer that's slowly devouring any sense of public decency and self-accountability. That being said, making social media responsible for the content posted by users is going to force them to either double down on censorship to expunge any content that might be viewed as even mildly controversial or just close down.

They are not responsible for the content if they act like platforms, is the thing.. They want to hide behind a law that keeps them unaccountable while acting as the Ministry of Truth at the same time. Taking this away is a huge blow to them, they'll have to decide which way to take their service.

 

[LazarusOwenhart]

They are not responsible for the content if they act like platforms, is the thing.. They want to hide behind a law that keeps them unaccountable while acting as the Ministry of Truth at the same time. Taking this away is a huge blow to them, they'll have to decide which way to take their service.

So why does Fox News get to keep doing it?

 

[Rhysuu]

The people cheering for this disgust me. The proles deserve the boot they are earning. One day I'm going to disappear and it'll be because I gave up trying to convince people to stop hurting themselves.

I think the problem is a lot of people don't understand how this is directly going to impact sites like Kiwi Farms and are only seeing it from the perspective of getting one over on the coastal elites working at Twitter and other large social media sites. Would you care to elaborate what kind of impact this might have on KF's operation?

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

I think the problem is a lot of people don't understand how this is directly going to impact sites like Kiwi Farms and are only seeing it from the perspective of getting one over on the coastal elites working at Twitter and other large social media sites. Would you care to elaborate what kind of impact this might have on KF's operation?

I'd like to know the specifics too. It's not that I don't know there is risks towards KF and other places, it's that I sort of want to see the entire internet destroyed , at least the biggest websites, because it's ruined society. Throw out the baby with the abortion water. I still need to read more about this once I get off work.

 

[Null]

There is none.

What this does do:
1. In a theoretical lawsuit challenging Twitter's status as publisher, Twitter would have to show that the content they delete is "objectionable", so literally nothing.
2. Further expand the powers of the Executive Order.
3. Make Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act a political hot button issue when it should be the silent protagonist of the Internet.
4. Get ideologues on both sidesbegging Government to further edit Section 230 and imperil their own freedom.

What it doesn't do:
1. Stop Twitter, Facebook, and Google for banning and demonetizing people for being crass.

 

[OmnipotentStupidity]

Seriously, people on this site were screeching about how KF is doomed FOREVER because Trump's gonna NUKE Section 230, but if you read the actual order, it's split between him pestering the FCC to clarify what counts as "good faith" censorship for remaining a platform, and telling the FTC to decide if mass blocklists and banning people for offsite activity jives with a 2017 Supreme Court decision that banning pedos from facebook violated their first amendment rights. The most petty thing he's doing is witholding government ad money from them while that's being done.

I was gonna say: nothing in this order states anything close to destroying Section 230 on its own (albeit it does set future precedent to); it's specifically targeting larger entities like Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, and any site using its power to push any narrative they please and conversely stifling free speech and discourse on an open forum in the process through sitewide bans/blocklists under the pretenses of "good faith", will see the FTC launching an investigation are using taxpayer money to fund advertisements on the site, and will submit the FCC all user data from these sites in order to get an idea of how these sites have been operating thus far.

The only thing that may potentially get KF investigated is its status as being an open forum, but even then: the site isn't nearly as big or prevelant as media conglomerates like the ones listed in the draft, the site isn't using taxpayer money to sustain itself as there are no advertisements on the site to gain revenue from (and all money that does come in is donated directly through user donations AFAIK), and for the most part, all dissenting viewpoints are allowed on this site, and users will only be "blocked" through either threadbans or thread clean-up (i.e. moving thread shitting to areas like Spergatory). Nothing's never really deleted here, and all edits are documented, so unless I'm missing something: we should be fine.

EDIT: Ninja'd by Dear Leader.
EDIT 2: Null makes a good point; it could very well screw everyone over long-term; admittedly I hadn't even considered that, as I was more thinking short-term.

 

[HonsPonzud]

Imagine 70+ year old boomers out of touch with everything else outside maybe Twitter and Facebook willing to sign executive orders and probably give the monitoring of the internet to another bunch of internet illiterate Boomers in the senate that use the internet to send Clipart jokes and publisher slides to their friends with AOL or Yahoo mail.

 

[LazarusOwenhart]

I think the problem is a lot of people don't understand how this is directly going to impact sites like Kiwi Farms and are only seeing it from the perspective of getting one over on the coastal elites working at Twitter and other large social media sites. Would you care to elaborate what kind of impact this might have on KF's operation?

That's just a symptom of the increasing issue of tribalism in politics. It doesn't matter if your side is stupid or wrong or doing something which will directly affect you in a negative way. You have to cheer for them and mindlessly support every decision they make because FUCK those Libs/Dems/Misc. This EO, if it gets the results Trump wants is a grotesque and dangerous attack on free speech designed to look like something that's supportive of it. It'll be the death of sites like Kiwi Farms, in fact any forum. If a platforms owner is liable then nobody will want to run the risk of owning a platform because, as I said earlier in the thread, who wants to do time to defend somebody else's right to be racist?

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

2. Further expand the powers of the Executive Order.

Stroke of the pen, law of the land. Unfortunately this isn't precedent anymore. This isn't expanding anything anymore. This is just the way things are. NOBODY is going to complain about this except us kooky libertarian types and we've lost the game especially in coronaworld where a sneeze that puts old people in graves demands sending us hurtling towards economic oblivion being ordered to be cooped up inside with nary a new law even being passed.

Believe in liberty, checks and balances, and restricted government powers? Tough luck, sunshine, we've crossed that Rubicon a long time ago and we're now floating down the fetid diarrhea waters of the river Styx

 

[JimmyNugget]

Imagine 70+ year old boomers out of touch with everything else outside maybe Twitter and Facebook willing to sign executive orders and probably give the monitoring of the internet to another bunch of internet illiterate Boomers in the senate that use the internet to send Clipart jokes and publisher slides to their friends with AOL or Yahoo mail.

You see, Boomer number one is "le based god". "Efficient", and owning the libs. Ruining internet freedom to own the libs.

 

[ElAbominacion]

That's just a symptom of the increasing issue of tribalism in politics. It doesn't matter if your side is stupid or wrong or doing something which will directly affect you in a negative way. You have to cheer for them and mindlessly support every decision they make because FUCK those Libs/Dems/Misc. This EO, if it gets the results Trump wants is a grotesque and dangerous attack on free speech designed to look like something that's supportive of it. It'll be the death of sites like Kiwi Farms, in fact any forum. If a platforms owner is liable then nobody will want to run the risk of owning a platform because, as I said earlier in the thread, who wants to do time to defend somebody else's right to be racist?

If it's dangerous in the way you and our dear Janny @Null are saying, then maybe that internet NGO will challenge it in court.

 

[Jaimas]

Is anyone else excited because they are just so disenchanted with the internet, politics, and humanity, that they just want to see people angrily fight about this shit, and you just hate everyone so much that you no longer even care about how this EO might backfire and be shitty to us, and just want to see people angry and fighting because there is nothing really left to enjoy other than chaos and seeing social media companies get a dick up the butt?

This won't change that, and you're foolish if you think it will.

 

[soft kitty]

Well, this should be interesting.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

This won't change that, and you're foolish if you think it will.

I know. A man can fantasize. Even if Trump did something that mattered--the courts would strike it down.

 

[Null]

ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS REPEAL THE PATRIOT ACT

REPEAL THE PATRIOT ACT AND FORCE BANKS AND PAYMENT NETWORKS TO BE IMPARTIAL

ALL HE HAD TO FUCKING DO WAS THAT AND HIS PRESIDENCY WOULD HAVE BEEN THE BEST IN THE LAST 100 YEARS

 

[Get_your_kicks_with_30-06]

ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS REPEAL THE PATRIOT ACT

REPEAL THE PATRIOT ACT AND FORCE BANKS AND PAYMENT NETWORKS TO BE IMPARTIAL

ALL HE HAD TO FUCKING DO WAS THAT AND HIS PRESIDENCY WOULD HAVE BEEN THE BEST IN THE LAST 100 YEARS

Well Jersh it wasn't the Banks and George Bush that fact checked his tweet now was it?

 

[LazarusOwenhart]

ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS REPEAL THE PATRIOT ACT

REPEAL THE PATRIOT ACT AND FORCE BANKS AND PAYMENT NETWORKS TO BE IMPARTIAL

ALL HE HAD TO FUCKING DO WAS THAT AND HIS PRESIDENCY WOULD HAVE BEEN THE BEST IN THE LAST 100 YEARS

Yeah but if he did that all his mates at the banks would have to be impartial.

 

[Demonslayer1776]

Overall I have alot of uncertainty over this EO. On one hand I feel that something like this has been needed for a long time. Companies like Twitter, Facebook, and google hold far too much power and have only been encroaching farther as time goes on. Their control over the flow of information needs to be stopped, and as far as potential laws to stop them is concerned, this seems fairly refrained and is safer than I personally expected. The main thing I was hoping for that its really missing is a standard of size. If this bill only affected extremely large companies while leaving small sites alone I'd probably be fully praising it. However, without that restriction I can see this going very badly. This effectively will add a layer of uncertainty to protections for all websites, and while it is a small one, uncertainty has never worked well in our favor. The reason Section 230 has been so effective is because there is no doubt about the content, and legal questions can be thrown out so quickly. With a layer of uncertainty I'm worried that this will only be used as a hammer to smash anything controversial, since theres now a chance some faggot legislator will see a bullshit report and say "wow that sounds mean, totally not good faith". Hopefully this isn't how things out, the bill is reluctant enough that it might not change much, and theres a chance that smaller sites will be given leeway compared to something like facebook and google. However, I think its best to be wary, especially long term, because all we've really seen happen in the face of uncertainty is anyone other than the most bland corporate bullshit getting fucked because someone decided they didn't like it.

 

[Absolutego]

So why does Fox News get to keep doing it?

Because Fox News is literally a publisher, not a platform. Are you under the impression Twitter and Facebook are news organizations, or just too ignorant to perceive the difference amid the all-important culture war?