Twitter Hides POTUS Tweet

[Troonos]

Getting older made me realize I don't give a fuck about economics or government, I only care about my people, my extended family. I'm basically General Zod.

It isn't about economics or the government, retard. It's about liberty. Why don't you care when liberty is diminished?

 

[Shield Breaker]

This thread reminds me of the posts made in March-April 2020 on Wu-Flu Megathread because of all doomerposting made by many participants here.

It reminds me of the Syrian thread. As soon as Null freaked out half of the farms took it as a sign from God the world was ending.

 

[(not) y2k compliant]

Like seriously people, and @Null. All this inane doomposting needs to stop. It just sours moods and gets nobody anywhere.

You can do something about this, or you can just cry and whine about it. Your choice.

While action matters most (seriously, write your elected officials if you live in the US), getting people to understand WHY it matters also has it's worth. Many don't really know what Section 230 is/does yet they use services protected by it daily, and allows them to communicate and submit media with one another on said platforms because of it regardless if you're a US citizen or not, since many of the websites non-Americans use are still housed out of the US because of the very existence of Section 230.
There is a fair chance this is just the political theater flavor of the week and shit will be forgotten, but it could also be auctioned upon by opportunistic entities who want it gone while the narrative exists. I'd rather not play russian roulette with the Internet.

 

[Pizza Sloth]

My speculation: An Executive Order cannot change Statutory Law which has to go through Congress, signed into law by the President - so I expect that there will be a legal challenge when someone tries to sue a platform - of which Twitter, Facebook have plenty of legal to fight the legitimacy of the EO.

 

[crocodilian]

Net Neutrality being gone was, is, and will continue to be a big deal. You have not seen the full extent of the repercussions.

Net Neutrality was absolutely useless in its former, Obama-era iteration. I get the impression you're either misremembering or fell for blatant media hysteria.

 

[Wünderkind]

KF's own 8chan equivalent when?

 

[Hard Toothbrush]

Absolute scenes when Biden Trump becomes president and conservatives liberals realize that - oh shit - maybe allowing the president to decide what is and isn't acceptable speech is bad.

TBF the above is what happened 4 years ago. This is just the wheel of human exceptionalism turning.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

Companies don't pay for anything costs always get passed on to the consumer.

Except when they are trying to be the cheapest game in town. Right now, I'm aware of about 20 streaming services that are online or coming online.

Look, Comcast / Verizon can charge streaming services to carry content on their network or they can charge consumers. When was the last time you got a bill from your ISP that includes a streaming surcharge?

Theoretically, it's possible throttling could lead to a situation where traffic on the Internet becomes very transactional, where you pay for visits to a website. That's the doomer argument, the one people scream about and make bomb threats over.

I haven't seen any evidence things are headed that way. Services seem to be optimized around seamless experiences and simple pricing. Not sure there's a reason to assume that's going to change at any point in the near future.

 

[Null]

Net Neutrality was absolutely useless in its former, Obama-era iteration. I get the impression you're either misremembering or fell for blatant media hysteria.

Because Verizon has been fighting it since the 2000s and won as soon as their former lawyer got in as the head of the FCC.

 

[AnOminous]

Just by saying 230 should be banned, a large chunk of Trump's base now believe that 230 must be destroyed and will unquestioningly do everything in their power to make it happen.

Trump's base is a bunch of mindless cunts and boomers no better than the rioting joggers in Minneapolis and they will smash and burn anything he says even if they were praising it yesterday.

 

[El Porko Fako]

Trump's address just wrapped up and didn't even address Minnesota, Section 230, or any of his twitter drama. He probably forgot already.

 

[Michael Jacks0n]

Net Neutrality was absolutely useless in its former, Obama-era iteration. I get the impression you're either misremembering or fell for blatant media hysteria.

Impossible! I was assured by Reddit that as soon as Net Neutrality was repealed, the entire collective internet would get sucked into a black hole which would cause a ripple effect that would destroy the entire universe!

 

[MoonRocker]

Respectfully, I'd be fucked right now if my carrier was not throttling streaming services to allow web browsing to happen. Use of streaming services is up about 400% where I live.

You might be right to say throttling disguises costs that will be realized in the 5 - 10 year period, but it's arguable about who will bear them. Increased competition in the streaming market means there's going to be competition between providers to provide the lowest cost services. Even if ISPs starting tacking on a streaming premium there's a good chance it gets eaten by streaming services themselves, not consumers.

But that's speculative. You don't know the future any more than I do. No company wants to be the reason people can't watch their 8k movies at 400fps on their cell phones in a parking garage elevator.

My point was that no one wrecked the Internet despite the previous doomsday warnings. The people who would like you to believe this is the end of the world are not your friends.

Strange how panic makes us forget what's important.

What an absolutely idiotic and ignorant post. You’re simply reiterating pro-Net Neutrality points which the very premise have always been proven to be reliably false: this will not increase competition between ISPs because the telecommunications industry has been comprised of a cabal of monopolies since the 90s. They have absolutely no incentive to improve their services as seen by the billions of dollars in provided govt subsidies over the decades that have never resulted in improving the critical networking infrastructure to expand the quality of services. That money was literally distributed to shareholders and padded their earnings/ share ratio.

Customers in the US consistently and regularly do not have access to a varied selection of ISPs as almost all counties and their respective cities have been divided at the street level in regards to which telecomm company has access to which buildings and neighborhoods.

The repeal of Net Neutrality is the further consolidation of power of the corporate class and the segment that controls the access to information. It has nothing to do with serving the customers but to simply control internet bandwidth as these companies see fit without any recourse for individuals to do anything about it. These companies do not have your best interest at heart and will act in accord to meet their earnings and avoid spending money on infrastructure to expand their services.

I still can’t believe that people are basically agreeing that handing corporations complete and total access to how much they can control your bandwidth and therefore your access to the internet as a good thing.

I know this country is filled with dumb ducks but the actual extent never stops surprising me.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

Trump's base is a bunch of mindless cunts and boomers no better than the rioting joggers in Minneapolis and they will smash and burn anything he says even if they were praising it yesterday.

Remind me the last time a Trump supporter burned down a building.

 

[Puff]

My speculation: An Executive Order cannot change Statutory Law which has to go through Congress, signed into law by the President - so I expect that there will be a legal challenge when someone tries to sue a platform - of which Twitter, Facebook have plenty of legal to fight the legitimacy of the EO.

The EO didn't repeal (or attempt to repeal) section 230. This is why doomposting is bad. People come in and assume the worst.

 

[Too Many Catgirls]

I think the double-whammy of the riots plus Twitter and President Trump finally getting into their fight has people feeling a lot more tense about things. It is important to remember to stay calm and remember how things like this have gone in the past when someone gets in the fight with President Trump or when President Trump gets in a fight with someone.

There is a lot of bluster and hot air to start, then the advisers and professionals assess the situation on both sides. The President's people will take his personal feelings into account because he makes them public and so they can't be conveniently pushed aside while legislation is discussed and a plan is formed. This is effectively what makes Trump a more powerful executive than many of his predecessors: he says his thoughts out in public, not in the safety of the White House conference room. In a few days a proposal will come out that probably lands somewhere in the middle, giving the President's ideas some play and also applying some much-needed logic and reason relative to the issue at hand. And we proceed onto the next exchange between the two parties.

President Trump probably needs to tone it down a bit. But he won't do that. It's his personality and the reason he won election in the first place. But in terms of the proposals his team and Congress produce, that is where you will find the give on the part of the government. He does listen to his advisers and many of them know or are subsequently being advised by people that understand the nuances of this issue.

As I see it, most of the give is going to have to come from Twitter. Like them or not, they have been enjoying having it both ways and whether you're a Democrat or a Republican you need to recognize that the worst outcome is that these platforms become institutional weapons for one side or another. Both sides have to be able to speak their piece or even to shitpost on these platforms or else nobody is going to get to enjoy them. Many on the left like to pretend that the large social media companies are not unfairly limiting the speech of their political opposition, but they need to wake up. It was less than one lifetime ago that the pendulum in the media was in the other direction and that blasted conservative media cabal was putting their thumb on the scale. And they were. But the answer is not to immediately try to wipe out your opposition as soon as you get back into power, because you will not always be the one in power in our system. Also Jack Dorsey needs to not show the fuck up to these fights in round six. He only ever seems to make things worse and should just enjoy his life as a billionaire since he's never in these things for the long haul.

Everyone should probably toughen up a bit. This is unlikely to be as bad as everyone thinks it is right now. Tomorrow brings with it more clarity. The next day even more. Our social world has started moving at lightning speed, with benefits and deficits. But the United States political machine is designed to move slowly and methodically, so we won't hear the answer we want on this today, or tomorrow, or the next day. And that is good for all of us.

Don't get too bent out of shape over internet arguments. Isn't that something we try to keep in mind at this particular website? Though admittedly, by virtue of being a member at this particular website, clearly we lack the faculties to do so most of the time.

 

[It's HK-47]

Remind me the last time a Trump supporter burned down a building.

No, they usually just burn their own shoes. ... Everyone else remembers that, right?

 

[Ivan Shatov]

What an absolutely idiotic and ignorant post. You’re simply reiterating pro-Net Neutrality points which the very premise have always been proven to be reliably false: this will not increase competition between ISPs because the telecommunications industry has been comprised of a cabal of monopolies since the 90s. They have absolutely no incentive to improve their services as seen by the billions of dollars in provided govt subsidies over the decades that have never resulted in improving the critical networking infrastructure to expand the quality of services. That money was literally distributed to shareholders and padded their earnings/ share ratio.

Customers in the US consistently and regularly do not have access to a varied selection of ISPs as almost all counties and their respective cities have been divided at the street level in regards to which telecomm company has access to which buildings and neighborhoods.

The repeal of Net Neutrality is the further consolidation of power of the corporate class and the segment that controls the access to information. It has nothing to do with serving the customers but to simply control internet bandwidth as these companies see fit without any recourse for individuals to do anything about it. These companies do not have your best interest at heart and will act in accord to meet their earnings and avoid spending money on infrastructure to expand their services.

I still can’t believe that people are basically agreeing that handing corporations complete and total access to how much they can control your bandwidth and therefore your access to the internet as a good thing.

I know this country is filled with dumb ducks but the actual extent never stops surprising me.

Never said anything about ISPs, just streaming services. I agree that ISPs are monopolies and something needs to be done about them.

But Section 230 gives a ton of power to Big Tech to control public opinion. If I had to choose which cartel to destroy first, would definitely start with Silicon Valley.

 

[2021Murder]

Remind me the last time a Trump supporter burned down a building.

Timmy back in '95

 

[OnlyFacingRear]

There's always usenet

Link that Kiwi Farm alternative.