Attack on Titan Griefing Thread - >tfw even your VA thinks that you're a loser

How will Eren be stopped?


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Then there's the implication that this was 'planned' so that Eren would have a guardian (don't even get me started on that stupid shit).
"Yeah, I care about Mikasa so much I had her parents brutally killed in front of her, and her and her Mother almost sex-trafficked just so she could be my slave always with me!"

I swear to God if this turns out to be true, I'm going to scream.
 
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I'm just mad that Isayama had a great story, and could've had an even greater story if he just wasn't such a hateful sped.

Also, that this is a really cool picture, and it's wasted upon such a bullshit stupid series like this.
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Yeah, its a great parallel to the original poster of Erin looking up at the big titan.

Edit: Yeah, I think Erin is just as bad as Shinji as a character. Just fucking stupid.
 
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Since we're talking about Eren's mental health, the scouts did an absolutely horrendous job of helping him with his depression, and that's what baffles me. You're supposed to view the Scouts as sympathetic but the way they treated him was borderline abusive.
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Take this scene for an example, from their vacation to Nazi Germany. Eren is very obviously not in a good mood, it's a very obvious cry for help.

And Mikasa just looks at him like he's being a bitch and killing the mood for no reason.

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Even during Mikasa's narration in the present day (Isn't Armin supposed to be the narrator?), she acts like the problem is they didn't notice Eren's obvious desire to kill everyone for no reason, when it's very clear the way they fucked up is that they knowingly ignored obvious signs of Eren suffering from depression and feeling isolated from everyone else.

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This is the thing that baffles me, if Isayama wanted to portray the Scouts as being abusive and uncaring towards Eren, and that's what caused him to do what he did, then Isayama did everything right.

I'd call it uncharacteristically good writing but he wanted us to view the Scouts as innocent of any wrongdoing, when that's very obviously not the case.
 
This is the thing that baffles me, if Isayama wanted to portray the Scouts as being abusive and uncaring towards Eren, and that's what caused him to do what he did, then Isayama did everything right.

I'd call it uncharacteristically good writing but he wanted us to view the Scouts as innocent of any wrongdoing, when that's very obviously not the case.
Isayama has always tried to portray the SC as being sympathetic heroes who are unfairly hated when in reality they're ridiculously incompetent, and destructive shitheads that routinely, and unapologetically get innumerable amounts of people killed and cause unbelievable amounts of property damage.

They are, or at least the people in charge of them are, at best,-shortsighted idiots, and at worst, shortsighted, violent, torture-happy, sociopathic idiots. They are the worst representation of the military I have ever seen, and it is completely understandable why the populace hates them, why Eren has become what he has, and why things have gotten so bad as they are.
 
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Isayama has always tried to portray the SC as being sympathetic heroes who are unfairly hated when in reality they're ridiculously incompetent, and destructive shitheads that routinely, and unapologetically get innumerable amounts of people killed and cause unbelievable amounts of property damage.

They are, or at least the people in charge of them are, at best,-shortsighted idiots, and at worst, shortsighted, violent, torture-happy, sociopathic idiots. They are the worst representations of the military I have ever seen, and it is completely understandable why the populace hates them, why Eren has become what he has, and why things have gotten so bad as they are.
Speaking of the pre-time skip Scouts, there's something really disturbing I just realized about Hange.

You remember Sawney and Bean or whatever their names were? You remember how Hange tortured them? Did shit like burn them and crucify them to the ground (for lack of a better description) for her research?

I didn't realize it at the time, I just took the scene at it's face value of "ha ha crazy woman go wah", but when I revaluated her in character in light of her post time skip crimes, such as advocating for Historia to be raped for 50 years and Eren to be raped and murdered via Shit Machine, I realized something.

She thought Sawney and Bean were innocent and lovable pets, she viewed them like pet dogs, and she still tortured them. That's what she does to people she loves.

If doing that shit to a dog would somehow help humanity (in her mind) she would've absolutely done it.

If you ever rewatch those scenes, imagine Hange doing that stuff to puppies, because to her, she might as well have been.

Hopefully our boi Floch will pull through and cap Hange before he heroically dies.
 
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I don't know what the fuck's Eren's supposed to be.
Officially, he's meant to be a deconstruction of shonen protagonists.

But that doesn't really work because he never really had much in common with your average shonen protagonist. And even if he did, deconstructing those traits wouldn't be anything new, shonen series have always portrayed their protagonists as having very flawed personalities, just not in an edgy way.
 
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Officially, he's meant to be a deconstruction of shonen protagonists.

But that doesn't really work because he never really had much in common with your average shonen protagonist. And even if he did, deconstructing those traits wouldn't be anything new, shonen series have always portrayed their protagonists as having very flawed personalities, just not in an edgy way.
Hell Madoka (itself a deconstruction of the Magical Girl genre ) did that with both Mami and Sayaka.

What is it about the last decade where everything has to be woke to protect hurt feefees or grimderp edgy?
 
Since we're talking about Eren's mental health, the scouts did an absolutely horrendous job of helping him with his depression, and that's what baffles me. You're supposed to view the Scouts as sympathetic but the way they treated him was borderline abusive.

Take this scene for an example, from their vacation to Nazi Germany. Eren is very obviously not in a good mood, it's a very obvious cry for help.

And Mikasa just looks at him like he's being a bitch and killing the mood for no reason.


Even during Mikasa's narration in the present day (Isn't Armin supposed to be the narrator?), she acts like the problem is they didn't notice Eren's obvious desire to kill everyone for no reason, when it's very clear the way they fucked up is that they knowingly ignored obvious signs of Eren suffering from depression and feeling isolated from everyone else.


This is the thing that baffles me, if Isayama wanted to portray the Scouts as being abusive and uncaring towards Eren, and that's what caused him to do what he did, then Isayama did everything right.

I'd call it uncharacteristically good writing but he wanted us to view the Scouts as innocent of any wrongdoing, when that's very obviously not the case.

That's amazing.

*Is having literal PTSD from concentration camp flashbacks to the extent that he doesn't know where he is*

"Hey emo faggot, stop spacing out."

"Yeah, why are you being a bitch, we're trying to enjoy some ice cream over here, God."

*five years later*

"WHY DOES EREN WANT TO MURDER EVERYONE?! IT IS A MYSTERY"

Levi is so fucking incompetent. He's supposed to be supervising this living weapon and absolutely does not give a singular absolute fuck about Eren. He's like an angry babysitter who is annoyed he has to look over this child who he expects will never ever ever disobey him. Its absolutely perplexing. He looks after Eren basically at the barest obligation to Erwin. His friends in those flashbacks basically ignore his increasing isolation and his memories. They don't even bother trying to counsel him. Levi basically treats him like a loose cannon when all he's been wanting to do is just protect people he cares about and he's just ignored and treated like dirt over and over again.

When Eren reaches out to Mikasa, as basically a last act of desperation, Isayama basically has to write a shitty excuse as to why this fails. Its not really tragic when its so badly done and you basically have no build up. He shouldn't have even had the shot, it should have been prevented by Levi (who should have been written as a villian). But for some fucking reason, after clearly loving Eren this entire time, she's just like, 'Nah' and basically brushes him off without a concern. For no fucking reason I can figure out.

Levi needed to be the villain. He's always greatly disliked Eren, right from the start. Levi has NEVER respected Eren, ever. He's viewed him as a means to an end and pretty much hates him and basically offers him the barest respect. But for some fucking reason he's written as a hero? Uh, no. Levi needs to be written as a villain. Otherwise you're just writing a fucking idiot (which Levi is, but he's clearly not meant to be). Other people will say, "Well, Levi saw Eren as a loose cannon!" No motherfucker. If he foresaw that, he would have done something to curb it, not do everything in his power to reinforce that attitude and hatred. At every turn Levi treats Eren with absolute contempt. If Eren was a grease fire, Levi put on an apron and danced around, pouring more and more water on it until the entire house was engulfed in flames.

Levi should have been purposefully written as a villain. Instead of incompetent, he's actively malicious. He treats Eren with disdain because he doesn't want to be shown up. He prevents Eren from transforming in the forest not because of any trust issues, but because of his own hubris. He's Levi fucking Ackerman. Then he rages and blames Eren for getting his squad killed, even though he's the one at fault. He chooses Armin over Erwin because he WANTS Erwin to die. He's questioned his loyalty to Erwin ever since Eren arrived, since he views Eren as inferior. With Erwin dead, he'd be in charge. So he is relieved that he didn't have to betray Erwin, the choice is made for him. As a result, he treats Eren like trash. Even worse than before. He isolates him from his friends. Tortures him mentally. Trains him to become a weapon. Just regularly beats the emotion out of him. Maybe the other scouts look the other way, because Levi is so effective. Perhaps its even kept from his friends, whom Levi lies to regularly. With perhaps the exception of Mikasa, who is kept as far away from Eren as possible because she's the only one who would ever have the fortitude to stop what is going on.

What breaks Eren is Levi lying to Eren about why Mikasa is staying away from him. At this point, Levi would basically be his 'mentor' and only connection to the outside world, even. Levi, sensing an opportunity to twist the knife further, just says to Eren Mikasa views him as a disgusting thing, not a friend or family member. Just a creature, which is why she stays away from him. I mean, make him fucking Iago from Othello. Pretending to be this friend, but just secretly loathing Eren. And that just BREAKS Eren, past the point of no return. Then you can have him become engulfed with rage and possessed by it.

But nope, its just trash writing instead.

Hell Madoka (itself a deconstruction of the Magical Girl genre ) did that with both Mami and Sayaka.

What is it about the last decade where everything has to be woke to protect hurt feefees or grimderp edgy?

Eren isn't a deconstruction. As much as I hate Shinji, there's your deconstruction basically. Fuck, even Asta from Black Clover is more of a deconstruction of a shonen protagonist than Eren.

Because the more Grimdark you are, the smarter your work is.
 
Readers: "Mikasa needs more characterization please."

Isayama: "Hoh?"

*creates Ackergenes and removes remaining characterization*

Readers: "Can Eren and Mikasa get together?"

Isayama: "Hoh?"

*Mikasa familyzones Eren for some reason, leading him to commit genocide out of massive blue balls and Mikasa's inability to read the room, even though she clearly wants Eren's dick from way earlier on*

I keep forgetting how much her character gets shit on through the series. Goddamn.
Isayama is proof that hack writers hating and shitting on thier audience isn't exclusive to the West.

That's amazing.

*Is having literal PTSD from concentration camp flashbacks to the extent that he doesn't know where he is*

"Hey emo faggot, stop spacing out."

"Yeah, why are you being a bitch, we're trying to enjoy some ice cream over here, God."

*five years later*

"WHY DOES EREN WANT TO MURDER EVERYONE?! IT IS A MYSTERY"

Levi is so fucking incompetent. He's supposed to be supervising this living weapon and absolutely does not give a singular absolute fuck about Eren. He's like an angry babysitter who is annoyed he has to look over this child who he expects will never ever ever disobey him. Its absolutely perplexing. He looks after Eren basically at the barest obligation to Erwin. His friends in those flashbacks basically ignore his increasing isolation and his memories. They don't even bother trying to counsel him. Levi basically treats him like a loose cannon when all he's been wanting to do is just protect people he cares about and he's just ignored and treated like dirt over and over again.

When Eren reaches out to Mikasa, as basically a last act of desperation, Isayama basically has to write a shitty excuse as to why this fails. Its not really tragic when its so badly done and you basically have no build up. He shouldn't have even had the shot, it should have been prevented by Levi (who should have been written as a villian). But for some fucking reason, after clearly loving Eren this entire time, she's just like, 'Nah' and basically brushes him off without a concern. For no fucking reason I can figure out.

Levi needed to be the villain. He's always greatly disliked Eren, right from the start. Levi has NEVER respected Eren, ever. He's viewed him as a means to an end and pretty much hates him and basically offers him the barest respect. But for some fucking reason he's written as a hero? Uh, no. Levi needs to be written as a villain. Otherwise you're just writing a fucking idiot (which Levi is, but he's clearly not meant to be). Other people will say, "Well, Levi saw Eren as a loose cannon!" No motherfucker. If he foresaw that, he would have done something to curb it, not do everything in his power to reinforce that attitude and hatred. At every turn Levi treats Eren with absolute contempt. If Eren was a grease fire, Levi put on an apron and danced around, pouring more and more water on it until the entire house was engulfed in flames.

Levi should have been purposefully written as a villain. Instead of incompetent, he's actively malicious. He treats Eren with disdain because he doesn't want to be shown up. He prevents Eren from transforming in the forest not because of any trust issues, but because of his own hubris. He's Levi fucking Ackerman. Then he rages and blames Eren for getting his squad killed, even though he's the one at fault. He chooses Armin over Erwin because he WANTS Erwin to die. He's questioned his loyalty to Erwin ever since Eren arrived, since he views Eren as inferior. With Erwin dead, he'd be in charge. So he is relieved that he didn't have to betray Erwin, the choice is made for him. As a result, he treats Eren like trash. Even worse than before. He isolates him from his friends. Tortures him mentally. Trains him to become a weapon. Just regularly beats the emotion out of him. Maybe the other scouts look the other way, because Levi is so effective. Perhaps its even kept from his friends, whom Levi lies to regularly. With perhaps the exception of Mikasa, who is kept as far away from Eren as possible because she's the only one who would ever have the fortitude to stop what is going on.

What breaks Eren is Levi lying to Eren about why Mikasa is staying away from him. At this point, Levi would basically be his 'mentor' and only connection to the outside world, even. Levi, sensing an opportunity to twist the knife further, just says to Eren Mikasa views him as a disgusting thing, not a friend or family member. Just a creature, which is why she stays away from him. I mean, make him fucking Iago from Othello. Pretending to be this friend, but just secretly loathing Eren. And that just BREAKS Eren, past the point of no return. Then you can have him become engulfed with rage and possessed by it.

But nope, its just trash writing instead.



Eren isn't a deconstruction. As much as I hate Shinji, there's your deconstruction basically. Fuck, even Asta from Black Clover is more of a deconstruction of a shonen protagonist than Eren.

Because the more Grimdark you are, the smarter your work is.
Edgelords and being edgy are just SJWs and wokeness' bastard twins.
 
That's amazing.

*Is having literal PTSD from concentration camp flashbacks to the extent that he doesn't know where he is*

"Hey emo faggot, stop spacing out."

"Yeah, why are you being a bitch, we're trying to enjoy some ice cream over here, God."

*five years later*

"WHY DOES EREN WANT TO MURDER EVERYONE?! IT IS A MYSTERY"

Levi is so fucking incompetent. He's supposed to be supervising this living weapon and absolutely does not give a singular absolute fuck about Eren. He's like an angry babysitter who is annoyed he has to look over this child who he expects will never ever ever disobey him. Its absolutely perplexing. He looks after Eren basically at the barest obligation to Erwin. His friends in those flashbacks basically ignore his increasing isolation and his memories. They don't even bother trying to counsel him. Levi basically treats him like a loose cannon when all he's been wanting to do is just protect people he cares about and he's just ignored and treated like dirt over and over again.

When Eren reaches out to Mikasa, as basically a last act of desperation, Isayama basically has to write a shitty excuse as to why this fails. Its not really tragic when its so badly done and you basically have no build up. He shouldn't have even had the shot, it should have been prevented by Levi (who should have been written as a villian). But for some fucking reason, after clearly loving Eren this entire time, she's just like, 'Nah' and basically brushes him off without a concern. For no fucking reason I can figure out.

Levi needed to be the villain. He's always greatly disliked Eren, right from the start. Levi has NEVER respected Eren, ever. He's viewed him as a means to an end and pretty much hates him and basically offers him the barest respect. But for some fucking reason he's written as a hero? Uh, no. Levi needs to be written as a villain. Otherwise you're just writing a fucking idiot (which Levi is, but he's clearly not meant to be). Other people will say, "Well, Levi saw Eren as a loose cannon!" No motherfucker. If he foresaw that, he would have done something to curb it, not do everything in his power to reinforce that attitude and hatred. At every turn Levi treats Eren with absolute contempt. If Eren was a grease fire, Levi put on an apron and danced around, pouring more and more water on it until the entire house was engulfed in flames.

Levi should have been purposefully written as a villain. Instead of incompetent, he's actively malicious. He treats Eren with disdain because he doesn't want to be shown up. He prevents Eren from transforming in the forest not because of any trust issues, but because of his own hubris. He's Levi fucking Ackerman. Then he rages and blames Eren for getting his squad killed, even though he's the one at fault. He chooses Armin over Erwin because he WANTS Erwin to die. He's questioned his loyalty to Erwin ever since Eren arrived, since he views Eren as inferior. With Erwin dead, he'd be in charge. So he is relieved that he didn't have to betray Erwin, the choice is made for him. As a result, he treats Eren like trash. Even worse than before. He isolates him from his friends. Tortures him mentally. Trains him to become a weapon. Just regularly beats the emotion out of him. Maybe the other scouts look the other way, because Levi is so effective. Perhaps its even kept from his friends, whom Levi lies to regularly. With perhaps the exception of Mikasa, who is kept as far away from Eren as possible because she's the only one who would ever have the fortitude to stop what is going on.

What breaks Eren is Levi lying to Eren about why Mikasa is staying away from him. At this point, Levi would basically be his 'mentor' and only connection to the outside world, even. Levi, sensing an opportunity to twist the knife further, just says to Eren Mikasa views him as a disgusting thing, not a friend or family member. Just a creature, which is why she stays away from him. I mean, make him fucking Iago from Othello. Pretending to be this friend, but just secretly loathing Eren. And that just BREAKS Eren, past the point of no return. Then you can have him become engulfed with rage and possessed by it.

But nope, its just trash writing instead.



Eren isn't a deconstruction. As much as I hate Shinji, there's your deconstruction basically. Fuck, even Asta from Black Clover is more of a deconstruction of a shonen protagonist than Eren.

Because the more Grimdark you are, the smarter your work is.
Levi has on a few occasions acted incredibly spiteful and petty towards Eren.

While some of those can be chalked up to Levi just being a shitty mentor because of his abusive upbringing, there's one very notable moment where there's no way to frame what he did as anything other then pure spite.

Levi has Eren thrown into jail along with Mikasa supposedly for insubordination, even though Eren never tried to force Levi to pick Armin, all he did was try to convince Levi to pick him. Hell, in the anime he says Eren and Mikasa were "willing to draw blood", which is a flat out lie. Even Mikasa only directed the blunt edge towards Levi, and if she was willing to kill him, would've done it way before Hange showed up.

It's seems like it's an issue of Isayama forgetting the details of what actually happened, so even though it wasn't his intent, what he ended up writing was that Levi lied in the report because he wanted to punish Eren for disagreeing with him.
 
That's amazing.

*Is having literal PTSD from concentration camp flashbacks to the extent that he doesn't know where he is*

"Hey emo faggot, stop spacing out."

"Yeah, why are you being a bitch, we're trying to enjoy some ice cream over here, God."

*five years later*

"WHY DOES EREN WANT TO MURDER EVERYONE?! IT IS A MYSTERY"
I love how after every chapter (or unrelated event) this subforum sides more and more with Eren's global genocide decision.
 
Isayama is proof that hack writers hating and shitting on thier audience isn't exclusive to the West.


Edgelords and being edgy are just SJWs and wokeness' bastard twins.

That's not even the half of it. Isayama has flat-out stated he wants to hurt his audience.

Isayama wanted to kill Sasha at the end of volume 9, but apparently the storyboard of her death was so rough it made his editor fucking cry in the bathroom so out of the goodness of his heart he reconsidered and then just killed her later on and replaced her with a worse character.

The guy really loves his people.

I love how after every chapter (or unrelated event) this subforum sides more and more with Eren's global genocide decision.

I'm fully on board with Eren destroying the world train. I want to crash this story with no survivors.

It was a good idea once. If we're going to destroy it, lets fucking go boys, I'm all fucking in.
 
So playing catch-up to ya'll spoilers/discussions, a few questions/thoughts popped up for me

1) Dafuq are Ackergenes?;

2) Wasn't (well as far as the anime goes) the story supposed to have been told at some point from his perspective in that he's recounting certain events...or am I just remembering things wrong?;

3) Armin has a titan form...seriously?;

4) Wth is with this exceptional backstory involving pigs about?; and

5) ...so all the character have been GoTed right, that is, all their story arcs have been rendered meaningless by now right?;
 
So playing catch-up to ya'll spoilers/discussions, a few questions/thoughts popped up for me

1) Dafuq are Ackergenes?;

2) Wasn't (well as far as the anime goes) the story supposed to have been told at some point from his perspective in that he's recounting certain events...or am I just remembering things wrong?;

3) Armin has a titan form...seriously?;

4) Wth is with this exceptional backstory involving pigs about?; and

5) ...so all the character have been GoTed right, that is, all their story arcs have been rendered meaningless by now right?;

Oh boy.

1) This gets stupid. So for King Cuck to protect himself, he establishes a bloodline where combat ability is passed down through PATHS. Basically all combat experience flows down into them through previous descendants. So it explains why Levi and Mikasa are super duper awesome at murder. Not thanks to talent or anything, because their bloodline allows them access to past Ackerman's combat abilities.

Also the Ackergenes instill compulsory loyalty in Mikasa and Levi to never ever betray King Cuck. King Cuck was eaten by Eren's dad, who was then eaten by Eren, so the Ackergenes compel Mikasa to be 100% loyal to Eren no matter what (its an incredibly fucking stupid device that effectively removes agency from Mikasa in order to autistically explain something that didn't need explaining). There's also the implication that either Eren or Eren's dad set up the whole Mikasa incident so Eren would have an Ackerman completely loyal to him. Its stupid, its fucking idiotic and adds nothing. I'm probably not explaining this correctly, but I don't give a shit since the concept is retarded.

2) No. There is no consistent narrator for the story. It shifts, depending.

3) Yeah. He eats the Colossal Titan, who had a hard on for Annie, which then transfers to Armin, who is then to implied to 'visit' Annie and Armin maybe did some Shinji/Asuka things.

4) Hahaha, I'll let @Bunny Tracks do that one. He explains it the best.

5) Everyone except for Eren. Eren has been the only driver of the plot since basically years now. Which is why this thread lost its fucking shit when Eren's master plan was just 'Oh, I'm killing everyone'. No speculation mattered. It was always just him going fucking Khorne across Marley. Its honestly just Eren's story, nobody else really matters all that much, and everything is secondary. If it doesn't push Eren's story forward, it really doesn't matter.
 
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