Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

1:50 minutes in and Vic's saying he's holding up okay during quarantine because he actually likes his home. He then says he used to live in a place he didn't really want to be in for a long time.

Sounds like he did not enjoy living with Michele in L.A.
Honestly, for all the stuff about this lawsuit, Vic seems to be seeing this like a way to flush a lot of bad things and people out of his life.
 
For the longest time, the people that have caused me so much heart ache and so much heart break and so much trouble and so much loss of work, I was so angry at them and I felt so betrayed by them. People that looked me in the face every time I saw them and smiled and hugged me and told everybody we were friends and then suddenly, without any warning just turned, and I was really angry and hurt for the longest time, and last week, I know that you probably know that my faith is very important to me, my faith is a very big part of my life, and last week I felt like God was telling me that I should pray for these people. That I should not be angry, that I should not wish them ill, but that I should try to pray blessing for them. It's really hard to hate somebody that you pray for and I think that's the theme here. I'm trying my best and I've lost so much and it hurts me to think of how much has been taken, but at the same time, I have so much to be grateful for and on my worst day...

There are so many fans out there that have been so kind and so supportive and so loving and so encouraging and I go to bed every night so thankful that there are so many people out there that have been so kind and encouraging. I've met them over the years at hundreds of different events and I've tried to be kind to them and encourage them and support them and try to speak words of encouragement and light and positivity into their lives and now, when I've needed that support and encouragement in return, they have given it back, and I don't have any words to express how grateful I am for that.

















Meanwhile, in the interview Monica did a month ago, she said that she believes in Karma and said that those pesky YouTubers will have to pay for what they've done.

 
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Purest cinnamon roll to ever be a cinnamon roll. Truly we don't deserve this man.

Yes, you can pray for those who wronged you, pray for their hearts to soften and to find desire to right what was wrong and seek for forgiveness. But ultimately, that's up to the wrongdoers to decide, and they may have crossed the point of no return when they told the mediator they wanted to continue.

Maybe at this point, he's just asking for God to have mercy on their souls. That's probably all that's left to do at this point.
 
Purest cinnamon roll to ever be a cinnamon roll. Truly we don't deserve this man.

Yes, you can pray for those who wronged you, pray for their hearts to soften and to find desire to right what was wrong and seek for forgiveness. But ultimately, that's up to the wrongdoers to decide, and they may have crossed the point of no return when they told the mediator they wanted to continue.

Maybe at this point, he's just asking for God to have mercy on their souls. That's probably all that's left to do at this point.
The worst part was that Vic didn't even ask for this. He didn't want this lawsuit, but he was forced to sue because you reach a point in your life where everything is taken from you and you've got nothing left to lose except for your right to live. I think to this day, he still wishes that this lawsuit wasn't happening and that some kind of reconciliation and closure could be reached. I would bet that when mediation took place back in October, Vic was probably hoping that would be the end of it. But it's too late and as you said, it's now in God's hands.
 

She wasn't one of the girls in that skit. She was a potential match that was determined not to be one of them. Neither was ever identified.

Agreed on the false positive, I think. Video of Fawn S. in the masquerade.

 
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Eventually, Monica...you will pay. Maybe not in this life, but you will pay.
Oh I'm sure she will, she DID say "I know in the end, they'll have to pay for what they've done, so...not my problem, I'll let karma do its thing! *laughts*".
As usual, she's as projecting onto Vic&others her shittiness and like BT she too fails to see the hipocrisy in her own words...still, what she said will age BRILLIANTLY the second she's pinned to the wall with the bills after the case and most of all, the legal monicker of liar+con artist+crazy jealous VA that voluntarily ruined herself out of spite for a better VA&person than herself.
 
So I stumbled across something interesting. I was watching that atrocity of a Netflix live action adaption of Bleach (honestly, people can whine about western live action all they want, at least those make passable attempts to make the characters recognizable, Japanese live actions just fart out a bunch of identical looking people who look nothing like their anime versions and people think it's awesome somehow) and noticed that not only did Rukia look literally nothing like her - excessively so, like the creator has something against Rukia, poor girl - but her voice wasn't the proper one. Rukia has a distinctive english voice, and the one they used sounded like Orihime instead. So I looked into it to see if maybe the voice actress didn't like the movie or had retired or something, only to discover this tweet: http://archive.fo/wip/y3rKV

OG Rukia literally wasn't even told they were doing a dub of it, let alone asked to appear.

I dug a little deeper and found this tweet: https://web.archive.org/web/2020031...om/MichelleRuffvo1/status/1240356320621899776 (Archive.fo refused to work so) where Michelle apparently only heard about the remake/extension planned of the anime by news on twitter, rather than confidential discussions or at least an inside talk where she could personally confirm it with someone. Note the date, and that she's enthusiastically hoping to be brought back to voice Rukia if they dub the new anime. In March she says she wants to continue to play Rukia in any future dubs, in October (-ish) the dub of the movie is released without anyone even mentioning it to her.

From what I can tell, Rukia/Michelle is the ONLY one singled out and replaced like this. Why? No one knows. JYB (Ichigo, for the plebs who don't know), who was the one that essentially announced the english dub by enthusiastically tweeting about it, literally didn't even know it happened. He'd thought everyone reprised their roles, and no one bothered to mention to him that Rukia had been replaced. They also didn't mention it to Michelle. Cassandra appears not to have made a comment.

Michelle is LA based, and from what I can tell Bleach itself was licensed by Viz, so probably will be in any future iterations. The movie, however, was licensed by Netflix. Technically, they're not involved with any of that stuff. However, I happen to know that rather than hiring their own VAs for their own anime, Netflix likes to source from Crunchyroll. Who sources mostly from Funimation.

I would be remiss in mentioning all this by not bringing up the FMA Netflix live action dub. From what I could tell, it brought back all the Brotherhood era VAs, including Vic. However, for some completely unexplained reason, ALL of Vic's audio is mixed weirdly. Jarringly so. It's not that Vic does a bad job, it's that the audio levels are quieter than every one else, and the audio quality itself is atrocious, like he has a significantly worse mic or was given a room without sound proofing. It's almost unbearable, and only Vic's sounds are an anomaly. I'm not saying anything crazy like they did this intentionally, or anything, I'm just laying out the facts I've observed. I haven't found out why this is, but it could be anything from each VA having their own isolated tracks and his getting bumped maybe on accident to Vic needing to record his lines in a different location from the others for some reason and the sound mixer was unable to bring the tracks all in line with each other.

Here's some final information about the two Rukia's:

This is the OG Rukia VA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Ruff - she's OLD guard, she's been active since 1997, so about the same time as Vic. She started as Speed's Mom, she's been Chii, Euphemia, Jill Valentine, and other various notables and is active to date. But she's also 52, married, and although pleasant looking she's not exactly a hot bod.

This is the VA that replaced her: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassandra_Lee_Morris - she's been active since 2005, but only really broke through in 2011 with the drummer from K-On! and Kyubey - since then she's done a bunch of cute girls like Taiga Asaka, Leafa, and Benio Adashino. she's married, but only 38 and I can't really be the judge, but you can decide for yourself if she's cuter or not than Michelle. It's worth noting that Cassandra was part of the short lived NYC group of actors and then moved to LA in 2010 just before her VA career kicked off, not Texas.

I don't know what either of these girls' positions are on ISWV/KV/smartly keeping silent, but it doesn't matter because this all took place in 2018, before the attack on Vic started.

I'm just saying, though.

It sure looks like a case of a beloved but older voice actress who definitely didn't need Sabat's help to get a leg up on anything mysteriously being replaced by a much younger, prettier voice actress who was definitely a nobody during the time Sabat's 'casting couch' seems to have gotten going. And there's definitely a trail that can sneakily lead to his influence over the project.
 
It sure looks like a case of a beloved but older voice actress who definitely didn't need Sabat's help to get a leg up on anything mysteriously being replaced by a much younger, prettier voice actress who was definitely a nobody during the time Sabat's 'casting couch' seems to have gotten going. And there's definitely a trail that can sneakily lead to his influence over the project.
The only problem I have with the theory is that Sabat/Funimation/Okratron would have zero influence over the casting choices.

To my knowledge Michelle Ruff has never appeared in any Texas projects. Cassandra Lee Morris has, but in a kinda-sorta way since she's (Mini-)Kyubey in the LA-dubbed but Funimation distributed Magia Record.

The Netflix dub was directed by a Jamie Simone, who also appears to have no Texas connections. If you can give me a diagram for retards linking them I might change my mind, but the Weebstein theory doesn't seem convincing.

On a lighter note, Cassadra Lee Morris is small enough to kidnap in a backpack.
 
So I stumbled across something interesting. I was watching that atrocity of a Netflix live action adaption of Bleach (honestly, people can whine about western live action all they want, at least those make passable attempts to make the characters recognizable, Japanese live actions just fart out a bunch of identical looking people who look nothing like their anime versions and people think it's awesome somehow) and noticed that not only did Rukia look literally nothing like her - excessively so, like the creator has something against Rukia, poor girl - but her voice wasn't the proper one. Rukia has a distinctive english voice, and the one they used sounded like Orihime instead. So I looked into it to see if maybe the voice actress didn't like the movie or had retired or something, only to discover this tweet: http://archive.fo/wip/y3rKV

OG Rukia literally wasn't even told they were doing a dub of it, let alone asked to appear.

I dug a little deeper and found this tweet: https://web.archive.org/web/2020031...om/MichelleRuffvo1/status/1240356320621899776 (Archive.fo refused to work so) where Michelle apparently only heard about the remake/extension planned of the anime by news on twitter, rather than confidential discussions or at least an inside talk where she could personally confirm it with someone. Note the date, and that she's enthusiastically hoping to be brought back to voice Rukia if they dub the new anime. In March she says she wants to continue to play Rukia in any future dubs, in October (-ish) the dub of the movie is released without anyone even mentioning it to her.

From what I can tell, Rukia/Michelle is the ONLY one singled out and replaced like this. Why? No one knows. JYB (Ichigo, for the plebs who don't know), who was the one that essentially announced the english dub by enthusiastically tweeting about it, literally didn't even know it happened. He'd thought everyone reprised their roles, and no one bothered to mention to him that Rukia had been replaced. They also didn't mention it to Michelle. Cassandra appears not to have made a comment.

Michelle is LA based, and from what I can tell Bleach itself was licensed by Viz, so probably will be in any future iterations. The movie, however, was licensed by Netflix. Technically, they're not involved with any of that stuff. However, I happen to know that rather than hiring their own VAs for their own anime, Netflix likes to source from Crunchyroll. Who sources mostly from Funimation.

I would be remiss in mentioning all this by not bringing up the FMA Netflix live action dub. From what I could tell, it brought back all the Brotherhood era VAs, including Vic. However, for some completely unexplained reason, ALL of Vic's audio is mixed weirdly. Jarringly so. It's not that Vic does a bad job, it's that the audio levels are quieter than every one else, and the audio quality itself is atrocious, like he has a significantly worse mic or was given a room without sound proofing. It's almost unbearable, and only Vic's sounds are an anomaly. I'm not saying anything crazy like they did this intentionally, or anything, I'm just laying out the facts I've observed. I haven't found out why this is, but it could be anything from each VA having their own isolated tracks and his getting bumped maybe on accident to Vic needing to record his lines in a different location from the others for some reason and the sound mixer was unable to bring the tracks all in line with each other.

Here's some final information about the two Rukia's:

This is the OG Rukia VA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Ruff - she's OLD guard, she's been active since 1997, so about the same time as Vic. She started as Speed's Mom, she's been Chii, Euphemia, Jill Valentine, and other various notables and is active to date. But she's also 52, married, and although pleasant looking she's not exactly a hot bod.

This is the VA that replaced her: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassandra_Lee_Morris - she's been active since 2005, but only really broke through in 2011 with the drummer from K-On! and Kyubey - since then she's done a bunch of cute girls like Taiga Asaka, Leafa, and Benio Adashino. she's married, but only 38 and I can't really be the judge, but you can decide for yourself if she's cuter or not than Michelle. It's worth noting that Cassandra was part of the short lived NYC group of actors and then moved to LA in 2010 just before her VA career kicked off, not Texas.

I don't know what either of these girls' positions are on ISWV/KV/smartly keeping silent, but it doesn't matter because this all took place in 2018, before the attack on Vic started.

I'm just saying, though.

It sure looks like a case of a beloved but older voice actress who definitely didn't need Sabat's help to get a leg up on anything mysteriously being replaced by a much younger, prettier voice actress who was definitely a nobody during the time Sabat's 'casting couch' seems to have gotten going. And there's definitely a trail that can sneakily lead to his influence over the project.
Morris was "Gretchen" in the infamous io9 interview, wasn't she? I think I remember that ISWV sped Jordan Eshelman uncovering her identity. So, she's most likely very KV.

Also, I remember her tweeting about Vic last year. I just searched her twitter, but the tweet(s) seem to be gone. You can still find answers to her tweets talking about Vic, but not the tweets themselves. Maybe someone here archived them.

When it comes to Vic's audio having a shitty quality, maybe that's because the audio engineer simply sucked at his job.
 
The only problem I have with the theory is that Sabat/Funimation/Okratron would have zero influence over the casting choices.

To my knowledge Michelle Ruff has never appeared in any Texas projects. Cassandra Lee Morris has, but in a kinda-sorta way since she's (Mini-)Kyubey in the LA-dubbed but Funimation distributed Magia Record.

The Netflix dub was directed by a Jamie Simone, who also appears to have no Texas connections. If you can give me a diagram for retards linking them I might change my mind, but the Weebstein theory doesn't seem convincing.

On a lighter note, Cassadra Lee Morris is small enough to kidnap in a backpack.


Ah, but there is a connection. You see, Netflix doesn't have its own VA pool. There's not really any VAs you can point to and be like 'ah yes, those are the dub VAs that Netflix uses'. If you watch a lot of dubs you'll quickly notice that Funimation, 4kids, and Viz/Aniplex generally have their own pools of VAs they mostly use with very little crossover. You probably won't hear Naruto or Sakura's voice actresses in Funimation, and you're much less likely to hear Monica Rial or Marchi anywhere that isn't Funimation. (Except Crunchyroll, who basically just takes Funimation's pool.) Netflix isn't like that. They take from everywhere, though they're somewhat more likely recently to take from Viz.

Now then, Bleach ( 2018 ) may have been released on Netflix, but it was produced by WB. By the time that the dub would have been made and released ( October 2018 ), WB owned Crunchyroll. We've established that Netflix doesn't have its own pool of VAs, and from FMA we can ascertain that they prefer to use the original VAs for their dubs (maybe out of laziness, maybe for authenticity). It's not unreasonable to think that Netflix would have deferred to WB for the dub actors (the dub didn't debut for months after the movie itself did, it was clearly low priority). WB has its own anime wing at this point: Crunchyroll.

So I'm not saying Sabat is definitely involved, but I mean. It's not impossible he had indirect influence over the dub casting choice. And mostly I just wanted to show off the strange choices of Netflix's dubs of Bleach and FMA movies.

Sept 2016: Crunchyroll and Funimation partner up. By October of that same year they dissolve the partnership because Sony buys Funimation and AT&T buys the company that owns 80% of Crunchyroll. The reason Crunchyroll pilfers mostly from Funimation is because of this. They don't have their own VAs.

Jan 2018: AT&T purchases the last 20% of Crunchyroll, and then gets swallowed up by WB who bought AT&T

March 2019: WB makes Crunchyroll a sister company to Cartoon Network and specifically Toonami and Adult Swim (it later gets moved again closer to TBS and TNT because WB can't stop flexing)

July 2019: Crunchyroll announces a partnership with Viz to release certain titles on 'home video'.

September 2019: Crunchyroll becomes the majority investor of Viz Europe

April 2020: 'Majority investor' Crunchyroll starts rebranding Viz Europe

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I did some KF digging, and can confirm:

Morris was "Gretchen", the horrid tickled one, apparently. She liked KV tweets and retweeted the original ANN article, but apparently deleted it later.

Ruff passively liked KV tweets and may have retweeted some, but as of November never said anything on the matter and is one of the few VAs still following Vic on twitter.

Ultimately their position on KV isn't that important, because the Rukia dub drama ended months before Vic's situation started. However, it is worth noting Morris was among the first volley of people to attack and defame Vic, lying about him in the io9 article and spreading the obviously faulty ANN article. Ruff, on the other hand, seems to have made only token gestures and avoided being involved at all, even continuing to follow him on Twitter. One can either infer that Morris dislikes Vic and Ruff likes him, or that Morris was under Sabat's influence more, while Ruff seems to be trying to hedge her bets. I think the latter is more true, just because she conveniently got involved in the opening volley that was coordinated and meant to destroy him all at once.

Make of that, and whether it plays into the sudden recasting or not, what you will.
 
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Ah, but there is a connection. You see, Netflix doesn't have its own VA pool. There's not really any VAs you can point to and be like 'ah yes, those are the dub VAs that Netflix uses'. If you watch a lot of dubs you'll quickly notice that Funimation, 4kids, and Viz/Aniplex generally have their own pools of VAs they mostly use with very little crossover. You probably won't hear Naruto or Sakura's voice actresses in Funimation, and you're much less likely to hear Monica Rial or Marchi anywhere that isn't Funimation. (Except Crunchyroll, who basically just takes Funimation's pool.) Netflix isn't like that. They take from everywhere, though they're somewhat more likely recently to take from Viz.

Now then, Bleach ( 2018 ) may have been released on Netflix, but it was produced by WB. By the time that the dub would have been made and released ( October 2018 ), WB owned Crunchyroll. We've established that Netflix doesn't have its own pool of VAs, and from FMA we can ascertain that they prefer to use the original VAs for their dubs (maybe out of laziness, maybe for authenticity). It's not unreasonable to think that Netflix would have deferred to WB for the dub actors (the dub didn't debut for months after the movie itself did, it was clearly low priority). WB has its own anime wing at this point: Crunchyroll.

So I'm not saying Sabat is definitely involved, but I mean. It's not impossible he had indirect influence over the dub casting choice. And mostly I just wanted to show off the strange choices of Netflix's dubs of Bleach and FMA movies.

Sept 2016: Crunchyroll and Funimation partner up. By October of that same year they dissolve the partnership because Sony buys Funimation and AT&T buys the company that owns 80% of Crunchyroll. The reason Crunchyroll pilfers mostly from Funimation is because of this. They don't have their own VAs.

Jan 2018: AT&T purchases the last 20% of Crunchyroll, and then gets swallowed up by WB who bought AT&T

March 2019: WB makes Crunchyroll a sister company to Cartoon Network and specifically Toonami and Adult Swim (it later gets moved again closer to TBS and TNT because WB can't stop flexing)

July 2019: Crunchyroll announces a partnership with Viz to release certain titles on 'home video'.

September 2019: Crunchyroll becomes the majority investor of Viz Europe

April 2020: 'Majority investor' Crunchyroll starts rebranding Viz Europe

Edit 1 - fixed timeline errors

Edit 2 - just to avoid a doublepost

I did some KF digging, and can confirm:

Morris was "Gretchen", the horrid tickled one, apparently. She liked KV tweets and retweeted the original ANN article, but apparently deleted it later.

Ruff passively liked KV tweets and may have retweeted some, but as of November never said anything on the matter and is one of the few VAs still following Vic on twitter.

Ultimately their position on KV isn't that important, because the Rukia dub drama ended months before Vic's situation started. However, it is worth noting Morris was among the first volley of people to attack and defame Vic, lying about him in the io9 article and spreading the obviously faulty ANN article. Ruff, on the other hand, seems to have made only token gestures and avoided being involved at all, even continuing to follow him on Twitter. One can either infer that Morris dislikes Vic and Ruff likes him, or that Morris was under Sabat's influence more, while Ruff seems to be trying to hedge her bets. I think the latter is more true, just because she conveniently got involved in the opening volley that was coordinated and meant to destroy him all at once.

Make of that, and whether it plays into the sudden recasting or not, what you will.
The thing is, though, Netflix almost always uses LA talent.

Crunchyroll did use Funimation when they had the FuniRoll partnership, but since it's been mostly LA. Just off the top of my head, Shield Hero, In/Spectre, Somali And The Forest Spirit, Tower Of God, and My Next Life As A Villainess use LA talent.

I dunno. The theory still seems like a stretch. Interesting if true, but I won't be holding my breath.
 
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