Debate user BoxerShorts47 on "strawmans" and logical fallacies, definitions of ephebophilia, how to MAGA, religion, Sailor Moon and more

[BoxerShorts47]

If people didn't want the elites doing that they'd break out the guillotines like any other time in history.

bullshit.
normies don't revolt until they starve to death
unfortunate truth.

"elites forced population replacement on their nations"

Okay how did these "elites" forced it down our throats?

They pass laws to import legal immigrants
they don't enforce the border
they give illegals gibs including free healthcare and college.
they don't enforce democracy when people say they don't like that e.g. prop 187
they don't even raise awareness that population replacement is occurring
they use the media to attack anyone that doesn't want to become a minority as a white supremacist, racist or Nazi. (heretic)
they put speech codes in universities and social media that prevent us from raising awareness under the guide of "community guidelines" and "hate speech" (blasphemy)
they've betrayed every classic american western liberal value, not that I believe in those values but they claim they do.

 

[No Exit]

bullshit.
normies don't revolt until they starve to death
unfortunate truth.

Why even bother with them then? Fuck em.

 

[Draza]

bullshit.
normies don't revolt until they starve to death
unfortunate truth.


They pass laws to import legal immigrants
they don't enforce the border
they give illegals gibs including free healthcare and college.
they don't enforce democracy when people say they don't like that e.g. prop 187
they don't even raise awareness that population replacement is occurring
they use the media to attack anyone that doesn't want to become a minority as a white supremacist, racist or Nazi. (heretic)
they put speech codes in universities and social media that prevent us from raising awareness under the guide of "community guidelines" and "hate speech" (blasphemy)
they've betrayed every classic american western liberal value, not that I believe in those values but they claim they do.

You do realize that most of these "elites" ,who doing these things you say, are voted in by very same White people you want to save?

Edit: Also how can you say that they don't enforce democracy, when you just later said that you don't believe in those values?

 

[Drain Todger]

You're making bad faith arguements.

"Bad faith" is right up there with "problematic" as far as SJW buzzwords go, and it's just as frequently misused.

Bad faith is double-mindedness. It's when one claims to hold one position, but secretly holds another.

If I were advocating for more stringent EPA testing of industrial wastewater because I claimed to hate pollution, but I actually thought the testing was too stringent and I was trying to get the EPA to hassle a neighboring factory so they would move out and I could take over their lease, that would be an example of bad faith.

Pretty much every time someone accuses someone else of bad faith on the internet, they are claiming to be fucking telepathic and to know the secret thoughts of other people online. It's actually rather arrogant.

You bend spoons, too, Uri?

white flight. even if people virtue signal diversity their actions show that they hate diversity.

Excellent! I see you've already found your source of new recruits, then!

Since college-educated liberals apparently hate diversity, that means they'd love homogeneity and white nationalism. You just need to show them the way, sensei.

I'm not bombing any nation.

Dipshit. I bomb a nation every morning before breakfast when I leave an arm-sized turd in the pot. My friends call me B-52 on account of all the shitters I've blown up.

I'm a pleb and we don't have any power.

There's that ressentiment I was talking about. You think you can lure people in with self-effacement, but it doesn't work.

I'll give you a hint; people are attracted to power.

If you just up and say "I'm a dickless wiener and so are all my friends, will you join us?", that's not very persuasive at all.

This is a total straw-man because illegals and legal immigration have existed before the 2010s.

Vote for Joe Biden. I heard he's going to build us a really big border wall to keep us pure and protect our alabaster skin.

anti racism = open borders and capitalism wants more bodies to increase GDP and lower wages.

Ahh. You're in favor of protecting wages for the white man, I see. What's your opinion on trade unionism?

Liberalism + Capitalism make you a minority in your own nation.
They destroy your people.
100% unsustainable.

... he says as he types on his sweatshop-made electronics built in China with coltan from the Congo.

These are straw-man arguments.
issue here is white genocide.
1. Whites have never voted to make themselves a minority in their own nation.
2. People votes against making CA an illegal magnet prop 187 https://youtu.be/MREnHjatoMQ
3. Europe and all the other Western White nations have this same issue.
We got a crisis here.

"If voting did anything, they'd make it illegal. That's why, on election day, I stuff gerbils up my ass." -Richard Gere

1. You're a liberal?

I'm not anything. Tribes are for weaklings.

1. You gotta frame yourself as moral. then people are willing to join the cause, to endure hardship.
2. Gotta be able to protect people. One of the big issues with the alt-right was they still got clucked by terms like nazi and white supremacist and racist. they were too fragile.
3. Alt-right wasn't able to clearly articulate why we need white nationalism. The 5 points I wrote above make a much better case than anything Richard Spencer said.

I don't think you understand.

What are you proposing as a reward for people who join your cause? What are you proposing that is of equivalent or greater value to the dopamine hit of consumerism, social media, "likes", and porno?

Nobody does anything without the promise of some kind of reward, even if the reward is as meager as narcissistic supply or personal entertainment.

You demand sacrifice from others, but you don't even realize the value of what you're trying to pry from their kung-fu death grip.

 

[BoxerShorts47]

You do realize that most of these "elites" ,who doing these things you say, are voted in by very same White people you want to save?

Edit: Also how can you say that they don't enforce democracy, when you just later said that you don't believe in those values?

are you honestly implying that liberal democracy is a legitimate form of government?
noam chomsky manufacturing consent?
avg voter is voting for lesser of 2 evils
very few voters have representatives that truly represent them.

"Bad faith" is right up there with "problematic" as far as SJW buzzwords go, and it's just as frequently misused.

Bad faith is double-mindedness. It's when one claims to hold one position, but secretly holds another.

If I were advocating for more stringent EPA testing of industrial wastewater because I claimed to hate pollution, but I actually thought the testing was too stringent and I was trying to get the EPA to hassle a neighboring factory so they would move out and I could take over their lease, that would be an example of bad faith.

Pretty much every time someone accuses someone else of bad faith on the internet, they are claiming to be fucking telepathic and to know the secret thoughts of other people online. It's actually rather arrogant.

You bend spoons, too, Uri?



Excellent! I see you've already found your source of new recruits, then!

Since college-educated liberals apparently hate diversity, that means they'd love homogeneity and white nationalism. You just need to show them the way, sensei.



Faggot. I bomb a nation every morning before breakfast when I leave an arm-sized turd in the pot. My friends call me B-52 on account of all the shitters I've blown up.



There's that ressentiment I was talking about. You think you can lure people in with self-effacement, but it doesn't work.

I'll give you a hint; people are attracted to power.

If you just up and say "I'm a dickless wiener and so are all my friends, will you join us?", that's not very persuasive at all.



Vote for Joe Biden. I heard he's going to build us a really big border wall to keep us pure and protect our alabaster skin.

Ahh. You're in favor of protecting wages for the white man, I see. What's your opinion on trade unionism?



... he says as he types on his sweatshop-made electronics built with coltan from the Congo.



"If voting did anything, they'd make it illegal. That's why, on election day, I stuff gerbils up my ass." -Richard Gere



I'm not anything. Tribes are for weaklings.



I don't think you understand.

What are you proposing as a reward for people who join your cause? What are you proposing that is of equivalent or greater value to the dopamine hit of consumerism, social media, "likes", and porno?

Nobody does anything without the promise of some kind of reward, even if the reward is as meager as narcissistic supply or personal entertainment.

You demand sacrifice from others, but you don't even realize the value of what you're trying to pry from their kung-fu death grip.

if you're doing strawman arguments than you're arguing in bad faith.
you know in your mind that you're ignoring my point.
You're trying to evade instead of responding to what i said.

Don't waste your time doing line by line strawman arguments.
I will not respond.

also politics is inherently tribal.
tribe could be racial or ideological but you win in politics as a group
individuals get no representation because their views are idiosyncratic.

it feels like you're completely unequipped to deal with these alt-right or dissident right 2018+ talking points / ideas.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

James, you still have yet to explain why your Twitter account was nothing, but gay incest porn, and you taking pictures of other men's crotches.

Edit: Apparently, it still is.

 

[Revo]

Imagine being more dumber and exceptional than @Drain Todger.

 

[GethN7]

are you honestly implying that liberal democracy is a legitimate form of government?
noam chomsky manufacturing consent?
avg voter is voting for lesser of 2 evils
very few voters have representatives that truly represent them.




if you're doing strawman arguments than you're arguing in bad faith.
you know in your mind that you're ignoring my point.
You're trying to evade instead of responding to what i said.

Don't waste your time doing line by line strawman arguments.
I will not respond.

also politics is inherently tribal.
tribe could be racial or ideological but you win in politics as a group
individuals get no representation because their views are idiosyncratic.

it feels like you're completely unequipped to deal with these alt-right or dissident right 2018+ talking points / ideas.

I need to amend a prior statement I made in this thread. After watching @Drain Todger of all people utterly own you with cogent logic that is reasonable and understandable versus your unironic "Hitler didn't go far enough" styled ranting, maybe it is possible for a tard fight to be won.

Problem is, you're not going to be the winning tard.

 

[BoxerShorts47]

I need to amend a prior statement I made in this thread. After watching @Drain Todger of all people utterly own you with cogent logic that is reasonable and understandable versus your unironic "Hitler didn't go far enough" styled ranting, maybe it is possible for a tard fight to be won.

Problem is, you're not going to be the winning tard.

If you think he is winning, you must be a Sargon fanboy.

James, you still have yet to explain why your Twitter account was nothing, but gay incest porn, and you taking pictures of other men's crotches.

Edit: Apparently, it still is.

I've said multiple times that isn't me.

 

[Just A Butt]

If you think he is winning, you must be a Sargon fanboy.


I've said multiple times that isn't me.

Saying is one thing. Proving is another.

 

[Draza]

If you think he is winning, you must be a Sargon fanboy.


I've said multiple times that isn't me.

Prove it's not you then.

Edit: Just as the person said above.

 

[SIGSEGV]

if you're doing strawman arguments than you're arguing in bad faith.

Those are completely different logical fallacies, and @Drain Todger was kind enough to explain what bad faith arguments actually are for a retard like yourself. Sadly he seems to have wasted his time on you.

you know in your mind that you're ignoring my point.
You're trying to evade instead of responding to what i said.

He responded to everything in your post. Meanwhile, you ignore all of the questions and arguments that you don't like. Grow a fucking pair already, retard.

Don't waste your time doing line by line strawman arguments.
I will not respond.

You literal nigger. You fucking ape. If this is what you call "debating" then I stand by my assertion that you would get absolutely destroyed in an actual argument with anyone that has even a single brain cell more than you do, because you don't know how to make or defend a claim at all. You do not get to tell @Drain Todger that he's straw manning when he's literally quoting you directly. A retard like you has no business trying to speak on behalf of white people, and you should shut the fuck up and let the people with IQs above freezing temperature deal with things. At best you will accomplish nothing, and at worst you will make things worse for the white people unfortunate enough to be near you.

 

[Begemot]

If you think he is winning, you must be a Sargon fanboy.


I've said multiple times that isn't me.

C'mon, bruh, sexual degeneracy and extreme politics go hand in hand. Cut out all this coy flirting and ask us for an outline or a dick pic. You know you want to.

You're obviously too cowardly to take on @Drain Todger so you're obviously not here to 'debate'.

 

[Drain Todger]

if you're doing strawman arguments than you're arguing in bad faith.
you know in your mind that you're ignoring my point.
You're trying to evade instead of responding to what i said.

What did you say?

No, don't scroll up. Do this from memory. What did you say?

Do you even remember?

it feels like you're completely unequipped to deal with these alt-right or dissident right 2018+ talking points / ideas.

Your rhetoric is poser-tier. You sound like a newfag who stumbled on /pol/ for all of fifteen minutes, read one single white nationalist thread, and then decided to go out that same night and tattoo 1488 on your forehead.

If you've been doing this since 2018, lord have mercy, you are a mongoloid of the highest order.

This is why nobody wants in your movement. This is why it's petering out and why its light is fading. Nobody wants to be associated with sexless, khaki-short-wearing, bitter, humorless mongs whose only identity comes from scrawling spiders on things.

Adolf Hitler was a meth-addled OCD sperg who shot himself in a bunker, and he had more charisma than you and accomplished more than you could ever possibly dream of. You got that?

Let that sink in for a minute. There are meth-heads who have achieved more than you will while sober.

 

[WeeGee]

@BoxerShorts47 is pulling a @Marjan Šiklić, he must have a supply of meth to keep going, jesus christ. For those of you here whom are not an old fag like me, Marjan took meth and went on a straight 72 hour posting binge, but I only know vague details (it was before my time here).

 

[GethN7]

@BoxerShorts47 is pulling a @Marjan Šiklić, he must have a supply of meth to keep going, jesus christ. For those of you here whom are not an old fag like me, Marjan took meth and went on a straight 72 hour posting binge, but I only know vague details (it was before my time here).

Then the OP is just emulating his toothbrush mustached hero then. Appropriate.

 

[Pope of Degeneracy]

If you had asked me 3 months ago if I would ever read multiple @Drain Todger posts thoroughly in a thread, I was going to say "No."

Was

 

[BoxerShorts47]

If you had asked me 3 months ago if I would ever read multiple @Drain Todger posts thoroughly in a thread, I was going to say "No."

Was

I don't understand why you worship him.
he just does strawman arguments
he seems like an anti-war libertarian that wants to ignore race realism and white genocide.
like a styx fan?

 

[GethN7]

I don't understand why you worship him.
he just does strawman arguments
he seems like an anti-war libertarian that wants to ignore race realism and white genocide.
like a styx fan?

He's not much better than you at not being a cringelord. Problem is, compared to you, he sounds sane, reasonable, and quite intelligent, and he was a doomposting deviant who admitted he jacked off to getting boned by MLP characters.

And he's still coming off less cringey than you.

 

[WeeGee]

I don't understand why you worship him.
he just does strawman arguments
he seems like an anti-war libertarian that wants to ignore race realism and white genocide.
like a styx fan?

Bro, get 10 hours of rest, seriously. We don't wan't you dying on us.