Debate user BoxerShorts47 on "strawmans" and logical fallacies, definitions of ephebophilia, how to MAGA, religion, Sailor Moon and more

Tatu Carreta2 said:
While I enjoyed reading 140 pages of everyone kicking this autist I feel like it was a huge waste of my time,but I cloud'nt stop. If he decides to dox himself,write his manifesto,starts a youtube channel and tries this IRL he will definitely have a thread here and this is like a prequel.
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It's a hell of an origin story - "Autist on the Right: Rise of the Strawman"
 
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BoxerShorts47 said:
Okay so you admit that a diverse society will always have racial paranoia (racism)? yes or no. Lower trust society.


So you admit that diversity requires human sacrifices? Innocent people will be found accidentally guilty. This is the price to pay for diversity.


Political Correctness is explicitly from the Civil Rights Act. Any group that becomes a protected class gets negative speech about them de facto banned because that speech can be used against the speaker in discrimination lawsuit, Polite speech is not the same as political correctness. It's not impolite to warm people about danger like disproportionate black or Muslim crime.


The native Americans red flighted when settlers arrived until they could no longer flight and had to fight post trans-pacific railroad. Not caused by "economic decline" caused by diversity, people feel like their community is gone. Why do all ethnic groups in America self segregate? Why do prisoners self segregate? Natural order. You deny this because of your equality religion.


You mean true. FBI crime stats show blacks committing more crime.



Total bullist. You're lying, Diversity destroys local communities which is why all liberals agree that non whites deserve indigenous rights.



Lying through your teeth.

1. All corporations and universities brag about diversity aka hiring or admitting less whites
2. Demographic change is a caused by liberal policies of open borders. You are denying whites a home and forcing diversity onto white people.
3. Whites are creasing as a number of the total population too, largely because of feminism.

Your arguments are total shit. You're agreeing with me than saying "well so what" or just lying about the data.
Real downsides, real grievances and your answer is "so what, diversity is still good,"
Religious Dogma.
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How come most homogeneous countries suck to live in? Even Japan is dying lol.
 
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Troon Draugur said:
Almost like a less diverse gene pool and (in some cases) fairly classist societial structures don't make for a bright future...
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snailslime said:
How come most homogeneous countries suck to live in? Even Japan is dying lol.
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The fact that you need to hell grind until you are 30 in both Japan and South Korea is not doing much good for their baby making.

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His stand ability allows him to instantly lose at anything.
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It's a tanky build, stay in there and take up.
 
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José Mourinho said:
I'm not gonna bother reading through 140+ pages of total back and forth shit so I'll ask these questions to @BoxerShorts47 :

1. Is this forum an SJW forum?
2. Do you think pointing out fallacies in an argument is absolutely necessary?
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1. I would say this is a 1990s center-left / Civil Rights Activist (CRA) forum. Most of the people here repeat civil rights talking points like racism bad, discrimination bad, bigotry bad without realizing that these ideas lead to social justice. If you say black people are the same as white people and white people don't have a right to a white community and anyone who disagrees is a racism/white supremacist/bigot and you use govt to punish these people by firing them from their jobs and forcing them to sell their homes to non whites, that's the same as SJWs saying a transwomen is a women, forcing transwomen into female spaces and attacking anyone who disagrees as a transphobe and paying equal rights for transgenders. So there is very little difference between a 1990s center-left CRA vs a 2010s far-left SJW, both are authoritarian and are using the government and media to control you. They morally justify it because of their equality and individual liberty religion aka values.

2. Not necessary but it could be useful. I name fallacies to train my mind to see them. When you engage in debate, most people will argue in bad faith so they will never admit that you're right. Instead they will use fallacies to derail your argument so it appears they win. I name fallacies to prevent myself from getting distracted. Also sometimes you do need to address a fallacy and debunk it even if it's a fallacy because it might be a legit criticism but they are misapplying it by ignoring your point.

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I have a great question.
Can Boxershorts47 please expand on the absolutely exceptional "human sacrifices" point he tried to make?
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Liberals want to virtue signal about diversity. Wonderful goal toward which we must strive. Diversity is the ultimate good. Racism is the ultimate evil. This is their core morality. To defeat them, you must undercut this narrative. If you can force them to admit a downside of diversity, that'll hurt their narrative badly. The best counter example is that innocent person, that did nothing wrong, will get falsely accused saying or doing something racist and will lose their job. This is called a false positive. Diversity requires human sacrifices, innocent people that did nothing wrong will be punished for diversity. The other example is innocent white people will get killed by disproportionate black or brown crime or Muslim terrorism. Liberals will say, "well all societies have crime." This is a strawman, so you can reframe by saying, "Ya but these deaths are preventable; caused by your diversity policy. You got blood on your hands." To reiterate, you want to show that there are downsides to diversity and force the liberals to take responsibility for the cons. This stops their ability to endless virtue signal their morality.

snailslime said:
How come most homogeneous countries suck to live in? Even Japan is dying lol.
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Same type of fallacy; maybe loaded question? It doesn't suck to live in japan any more than USA. They got lower crime than us, better public transit, I haven't looked their the suicide rate vs our opiod rate but overall the quality is better than America. I haven't been to Japan personally but most Americans that have gone there generally like it.

Why was USA a great place to live? Industrial revolution, not diversity.
 
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BoxerShorts47 said:
Okay so you admit that a diverse society will always have racial paranoia (racism)? yes or no. Lower trust society.
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Every society is subject to discrimination because discrimination is animal. It is instinctual. If everybody on Earth looked exactly the same we would find other mongoloid reasons to split into tribes and hate one another. I would think trying to move beyond our animal instincts to be a baby step in a grander evolution, but maybe I'm just sentimental that way.
BoxerShorts47 said:
So you admit that diversity requires human sacrifices? Innocent people will be found accidentally guilty. This is the price to pay for diversity.
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Again, every society.
BoxerShorts47 said:
The native Americans red flighted when settlers arrived until they could no longer flight and had to fight post trans-pacific railroad. Not caused by "economic decline" caused by diversity, people feel like their community is gone.
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The reds fucked off because we'd spent several years actually killing their asses. Whether you think this was justified or not or what the causes may have been are irrelevant because the fact that we were fucking killing them is true. Besides, if your logic is that all outsiders of an invading race should be shipped back to their homeland, then by that logic all whities should get yeeted back to the old world so the red man and the spic can have their backyards back. Are you sure you aren't some kind of La Raza spokesperson trying to undermine White Nationalism? Also what about the Heebs?
BoxerShorts47 said:
You mean true. FBI crime stats show blacks committing more crime.
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Statistics are for people who can't think for themselves.
BoxerShorts47 said:
Total bullist. [sic] You're lying, Diversity destroys local communities which is why all liberals agree that non whites deserve indigenous rights.
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I'd ask for any proof but you've probably already posted it and it was probably a gaggle of articles and youtube videos from people who similarly speak without saying anything. Furthermore, do you think that the white man doesn't deserve indigenous rights in other countries where he is the minority?
BoxerShorts47 said:
Your arguments are total shit. You're agreeing with me than saying "well so what" or just lying about the data.
Real downsides, real grievances and your answer is "so what, diversity is still good,"
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Well? So what? What happens when white man dies out? What occurs when we are absorbed into the homogenous El goblino human race? I'm legitimately curious.
From where I'm sitting you're the only one with grievances.
BoxerShorts47 said:
do you want to be added to the list?

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BoxerShorts47 said:
Not necessary but it could be useful. I name fallacies to train my mind to see them. When you engage in debate, most people will argue in bad faith so they will never admit that you're right. Instead they will use fallacies to derail your argument so it appears they win. I name fallacies to prevent myself from getting distracted. Also sometimes you do need to address a fallacy and debunk it even if it's a fallacy because it might be a legit criticism but they are misapplying it by ignoring your point.
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Great to see someone answering. I'll ask further: Do you actually memorize a list of fallacies then since you said pointing out fallacies trains your brain?
 
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BoxerShorts47 said:
1. I would say this is a 1990s center-left / Civil Rights Activist (CRA) forum. Most of the people here repeat civil rights talking points like racism bad, discrimination bad, bigotry bad without realizing that these ideas lead to social justice. If you say black people are the same as white people and white people don't have a right to a white community and anyone who disagrees is a racism/white supremacist/bigot and you use govt to punish these people by firing them from their jobs and forcing them to sell their homes to non whites, that's the same as SJWs saying a transwomen is a women, forcing transwomen into female spaces and attacking anyone who disagrees as a transphobe and paying equal rights for transgenders. So there is very little difference between a 1990s center-left CRA vs a 2010s far-left SJW, both are authoritarian and are using the government and media to control you. They morally justify it because of their equality and individual liberty religion aka values.
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If you want to live in a white utopia move to Estonia or Denmark. What's stopping you?

BoxerShorts47 said:
Liberals want to virtue signal about diversity. Wonderful goal toward which we must strive. Diversity is the ultimate good. Racism is the ultimate evil. This is their core morality. To defeat them, you must undercut this narrative. If you can force them to admit a downside of diversity, that'll hurt their narrative badly. The best counter example is that innocent person, that did nothing wrong, will get falsely accused saying or doing something racist and will lose their job. This is called a false positive. Diversity requires human sacrifices, innocent people that did nothing wrong will be punished for diversity. The other example is innocent white people will get killed by disproportionate black or brown crime or Muslim terrorism. Liberals will say, "well all societies have crime." This is a strawman, so you can reframe by saying, "Ya but these deaths are preventable; caused by your diversity policy. You got blood on your hands." To reiterate, you want to show that there are downsides to diversity and force the liberals to take responsibility for the cons. This stops their ability to endless virtue signal their morality.
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Crime is caused by large amounts of people living together, regardless of their ethnicity/race/whatever. And homogeneous countries have wreaked more havoc on the world than anyone else.

BoxerShorts47 said:
Same type of fallacy; maybe loaded question? It doesn't suck to live in japan any more than USA. They got lower crime than us, better public transit, I haven't looked their the suicide rate vs our opiod rate but overall the quality is better than America. I haven't been to Japan personally but most Americans that have gone there generally like it.

Why was USA a great place to live? Industrial revolution, not diversity.
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What fallacy are you talking about? Did you just finish an Intro to Philosophy class or something?

Japan isn't a good place to live. Their population is rapidly shrinking and the men are marrying Hatsune Miku body pillows. Their crime rates are lower because crimes are unreported or swept under the rug. Many criminals in Japan have ties to the Yakuza. Look up the Junko Furuta case; all of her rapists/abusers got away with slaps on the wrist.
 
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