Debate user BoxerShorts47 on "strawmans" and logical fallacies, definitions of ephebophilia, how to MAGA, religion, Sailor Moon and more

[MarineTrainedTard]

Oh, I'll give him something that sounds a lot like "fallacy". It's my phallus, see? Right up his pinoy poopchute

 

[Spamy the Bot]

This guy is using 'fallacy' more often now. What happened to 'strawman'? Did they leave you for Tyrone?

He ran out of his strawman quota for today.

 

[Table Country]

So 2 gender norms = sexism = cisgendered. A sexist is a man that treats a women like a women and a women that treats a man as a man. So anti sexism, equality, means non-binary or uni-sex behavior; anti-sexism infringes upon my right to treat a women as women, I'm denied 2 gender norms. I'm denied the ability to express cis-gendered hetro-normative culture because of the feminists.

That isn't sexist by any definition dictionary or otherwise. And what does "treating a woman like a woman" mean exactly? Stop speaking goob; this is the English section of the forum.

This creates the foundation for transgenderism, you don't have a right to treat a transwomen any different from a women = you don't have the right to treat a women any different from a man. To go back to what I said, I find 1990s center-left liberals aka civil rights activists to be just as crazy and insane as SJWs today, but I didn't realize this until about 1 year ago because I was brainwashed by the propaganda in public education.

The foundation of transgenderism is based around the magical thinking that gender is something which is distinct from sex, not that people of both sexes should possess similar or identical rights. I have the right to treat troons any way I want, I only treat them like people out of nicety. In a proper society they'd get actual therapy instead of a hugbox cult telling them they should chop their dicks off/attach a hose to their pussy. While you could argue that this thinking is mired in ideas of "acceptance" and you might be true, why would getting rid of those accepting ideas be the only option? There's that false dichotomy again. It's as if you think we should get rid of trees because they can catch fire.

 

[fag0t]

 

[AnOminous]

White genocide isn't real you dumb bastard

Even if it is why does he care? He isn't white.

 

[BoxerShorts47]

Every society is subject to discrimination because discrimination is animal. It is instinctual. If everybody on Earth looked exactly the same we would find other mongoloid reasons to split into tribes and hate one another. I would think trying to move beyond our animal instincts to be a baby step in a grander evolution, but maybe I'm just sentimental that way.

Science denying. Natural selection wants genetic differences to occur and for us to complete with each other. Name of the game.

Again, every society.

Strawman. We're talking about diversity. Do you admit that diversity requires human sacrifices? Innocent people will be found accidentally guilty of racism. This is the price to pay for diversity.

The reds fucked off because we'd spent several years actually killing their asses. Whether you think this was justified or not or what the causes may have been are irrelevant because the fact that we were fucking killing them is true. Besides, if your logic is that all outsiders of an invading race should be shipped back to their homeland, then by that logic all whities should get yeeted back to the old world so the red man and the spic can have their backyards back. Are you sure you aren't some kind of La Raza spokesperson trying to undermine White Nationalism? Also what about the Heebs?

Right of Conquest.
My point was Native Americans did the same white flight tactic until there was no where left to flight.
Jews got Israel.

Statistics are for people who can't think for themselves.

No.

I'd ask for any proof but you've probably already posted it and it was probably a gaggle of articles and youtube videos from people who similarly speak without saying anything. Furthermore, do you think that the white man doesn't deserve indigenous rights in other countries where he is the minority?

Indigenous rights is a social construct. No such thing. Right of conquest.

Well? So what? What happens when white man dies out? What occurs when we are absorbed into the homogenous El goblino human race? I'm legitimately curious.
From where I'm sitting you're the only one with grievances.

Never going to happen. We'll become like India where you can still see genetic differences depending on the admixture.

Homogeneity also requires "human sacrifice", you hypocrite. But that's besides the point.

I agree but a different by of sacrifice, good kind, not the bad kind to Moloch.

Have you ever heard of the Pendulum? It's a pretty simple thing to wrap your head around. Every society will eventually sway one way politically after a while, and when it does it will ultimately swing back. There's plenty of evidence of this inevitable backswing to the Right in our society, on this forum, even in your incessant diatribes. It is not necessarily caused by bold revolutions, it's more like the pull of gravity.

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Nations can collapse. Look at USSR, Roman Empire, Or many other nations in history. No guarantee that USA survives our current crisis. I think that we need a real revolution. I think the US Cons. doesn't work and we need to repeal and replace it. Constitutional Democracies are doomed!

Crime, suicide rate, and drug use are not the sole indicators of societal decay, it's especially worthless in a country that runs on the Chinese model of "ass-kissing equals promotion" or a society where organized crime is closely entwined with society. Hell, you wanna talk about a society where there's no crime rate, no drug usage, and few suicides? DING DING DING IT'S NK BABY
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PRAISE BE TO OUR DEAREST LEADER

Well would you look at that; a second point.

Crime rates
Drug rates
Suicide
Mental Health (depression, anxiety)
Obesity rate
Demographics
Income Inequality (real medium household income)
marriage rate https://www.census.gov/library/visualizations/2018/comm/percent-married.html

The only metrics that are still good are GDP and stock market.

It's clear this country is in decline. This nation will not last much longer. If i was being generous, I would say 40 years but I think we'll be lucky to make it to 2040 at this rate.

 

[SIGSEGV]

Even if it is why does he care? He isn't white.

He probably thinks that his skin is light enough for him to pass as a white man.

 

[AnOminous]

Obesity rate

Says the guy who is size 47. You fat fuck. Kill yourself.

 

[SIGSEGV]

Says the guy who is size 47. You fat fuck. Kill yourself.

I can't believe that John Goodman is trollshielding a Flip faggot over their obesity. These truly are dark times.

 

[Stilgar of Troon]

Because he's a coward with less integrity than a televangelist, he's blocked me but I'd love to know what actual concrete action he proposes to counter the stuff he was talking about in his latest wall of shit.
I mean, actual feasible, demonstrably workable theories, not "We'Ll sEnD tHeM aLl BaCk Or KiLl ThEm aLl". If he wasn't an invertebrate faggot and had maintained his "zero block list", I could ask him, I guess...

 

[BoxerShorts47]

Are you can SJW? You argue like one.

If you want to live in a white utopia move to Estonia or Denmark. What's stopping you?

1. Do you acknowledge that you no longer believe in the most basic liberal value of petitioning the govt for grievances? You don't think I have a right to express myself and change this nation. You are 100% authoritarian, totalitarian?

2. You are forcing on diveristy on those naitons too. You are using NGOs or trade deals to sanctions to force "human rights" aka homosexuality, transgenderism and diversity onto the entire world.

Crime is caused by large amounts of people living together, regardless of their ethnicity/race/whatever.

Confounding variable. Population density is a variable but so is race/ethnicity.

And homogeneous countries have wreaked more havoc on the world than anyone else.

No, most are diverse empires like USA.

Japan isn't a good place to live. Their population is rapidly shrinking and the men are marrying Hatsune Miku body pillows. Their crime rates are lower because crimes are unreported or swept under the rug. Many criminals in Japan have ties to the Yakuza. Look up the Junko Furuta case; all of her rapists/abusers got away with slaps on the wrist.

Population decrease isn't necessary a bad thing. We cannot have infinite population growth.
No Japanese commit less crime than most ethnic groups on this planet.
That's why they got vending machines everywhere. People don't steal at the same rates as Mexico.
When the Japanese ruled Taiwan, it was safer than it is today.

So all of the arguments that you disagree with are fallacies

No, but most are.

Can you tell me who in this thread even called you a nazi, bigot, transphobe, homophobe, ableist, communist, socialist, or even racist? Sounds like you subconsciously know you're a lot of those so you accuse us of name calling

If you have debated long enough, people will use these curse words / slurs to delegimtiize you. People use them because they work.

That isn't sexist by any definition dictionary or otherwise.

That's my point

And what does "treating a woman like a woman" mean exactly? Stop speaking goob; this is the English section of the forum.

Treating a women like a women is treated. Not treating her a man. Do you understand that women are not the same as men?

The foundation of transgenderism is based around the magical thinking that gender is something which is distinct from sex, not that people of both sexes should possess similar or identical rights. I have the right to treat troons any way I want, I only treat them like people out of nicety. In a proper society they'd get actual therapy instead of a hugbox cult telling them they should chop their dicks off/attach a hose to their pussy. While you could argue that this thinking is mired in ideas of "acceptance" and you might be true, why would getting rid of those accepting ideas be the only option? There's that false dichotomy again. It's as if you think we should get rid of trees because they can catch fire.

No feminism is the foundation of transgenderism. In normal healthy society. men treat women as women and judge them based on their femininity, women treat men like men and judge us based on our masculinity. Feminists hate this because they are butch dykes with no femininity so they lose this game. So they use equality to take away 2 gender norms from everyone else, they call 2 gender norms "stereotypes" and attack everyone as a sexist for believing there are differences between a man and a women. SO feminists created transgenderism when they took away our right to treat men as men and women as women.

 

[GethN7]

That's my point


Treating a women like a women is treated. Not treating her a man. Do you understand that women are not the same as men?


No feminism is the foundation of transgenderism. In normal healthy society. men treat women as women and judge them based on their femininity, women treat men like men and judge us based on our masculinity. Feminists hate this because they are butch dykes with no femininity so they lose this game. So they use equality to take away 2 gender norms from everyone else, they call 2 gender norms "stereotypes" and attack everyone as a sexist for believing there are differences between a man and a women. SO feminists created transgenderism when they took away our right to treat men as men and women as women.

Dude, let me drop some real talk on you.

IRL, so long as you are a civil human being, I will, insofar as it does not require me to make an unreasonable sacrifice of ethics or common sense, humor whatever someone wants to be called.

If a man wants to be called a purple people eater, so long as it's harmless to do and he's nice enough about, I'll humor him. If a transgender person asks me to refer to them by certain pronouns politely and doesn't lose their shit if I don't want to, I'll honor their courtesy and do so as a gesture of returned courtesy.

As you already know, I'm a Christian, but I'm capable of putting being a civil human being over beating people over the head with my ideology and dogma because I live in something called reality, where you sometimes have to swallow your bile and live with what you don't like and humor certain things even if you don't approve, if only to keep a fight from happening you might not want to be dragged into.

I suggest you learn to do likewise, if only so you pass more as a human and less as a rabid chimp.

 

[SIGSEGV]

Dude, let me drop some real talk on you.

IRL, so long as you are a civil human being, I will, insofar as it does not require me to make an unreasonable sacrifice of ethics or common sense, humor whatever someone wants to be called.

If a man wants to be called a purple people eater, so long as it's harmless to do and he's nice enough about, I'll humor him. If a transgender person asks me to refer to them by certain pronouns politely and doesn't lose their shit if I don't want to, I'll honor their courtesy and do so as a gesture of returned courtesy.

As you already know, I'm a Christian, but I'm capable of putting being a civil human being over beating people over the head with my ideology and dogma because I live in something called reality, where you sometimes have to swallow your bile and live with what you don't like and humor certain things even if you don't approve, if only to keep a fight from happening you might not want to be dragged into.

I suggest you learn to do likewise, if only so you pass more as a human and less as a rabid chimp.

This is a very well written post. Unfortunately, you've already won the argument:

do you want to be added to the list?

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[GethN7]

This is a very well written post. Unfortunately, you've already won the argument:

Like he doesn't have a private window open so he can read what we are saying anyway, but yeah, lol.

 

[Table Country]

Science denying. Natural selection wants genetic differences to occur and for us to complete with each other. Name of the game.

Ignoring my point. I realize that there's no rational way for every person on the planet to look exactly the same, but in the hypothetical that they did there's nothing to suggest these hypothetical Eloy wouldn't find reasons to split up into tribes and hate each other. Maybe they don't like to wear the same color of toga, maybe one group is vegan and everybody else are meat eaters.

Strawman.

You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.

We're talking about diversity. Do you admit that diversity requires human sacrifices? Innocent people will be found accidentally guilty of racism. This is the price to pay for diversity.

Innocent people will be found accidentally guilty of rape, child molestation, murder, and treason regardless.
This is the price you pay for living in society at all. You're moralizing.

Right of Conquest.
My point was Native Americans did the same white flight tactic until there was no where left to flight.
Jews got Israel.

"Right of conquest" is bullshit. But I'll get back to that.
Are we to send the Juden to Israel then, or are we just fine with them? Mexicans I presume go back over the wall, yes?

No.

Prove it.

Indigenous rights is a social construct. No such thing. Right of conquest.

Right of conquest is also a social construct. Who gives you that right?

Never going to happen. We'll become like India where you can still see genetic differences depending on the admixture.

What's the problem then, exactly?

I agree but a different by of sacrifice, good kind, not the bad kind to Moloch.

Ah yes, the good kind of human sacrifice.

Nations can collapse. Look at USSR, Roman Empire, Or many other nations in history. No guarantee that USA survives our current crisis. I think that we need a real revolution. I think the US Cons. doesn't work and we need to repeal and replace it. Constitutional Democracies are doomed!

You've already pretty much stated that you aren't interested in a revolution, so you're either lying to me, LARPing at me, or your idea of a revolution is very stupid.

Crime rates
Drug rates
Suicide
Mental Health (depression, anxiety)
Obesity rate
Demographics
Income Inequality (real medium household income)
marriage rate https://www.census.gov/library/visualizations/2018/comm/percent-married.html

The only metrics that are still good are GDP and stock market.

Okay that doesn't disprove anything I've said so there's nothing to argue.

It's clear this country is in decline. This nation will not last much longer. If i was being generous, I would say 40 years but I think we'll be lucky to make it to 2040 at this rate.

Yup. Time to fire up the grill.

That's my point

Then we're apparently in agreement and you're just saying bizarre shit to create an unassailable position. It's the fucking Chewbacca defense.

Treating a women like a women is treated. Not treating her a man. Do you understand that women are not the same as men?

I understand that women and men are different. What I don't understand is how I'm supposed to treat them differently. You haven't given an example of how women should be treated differently from men. Am I not supposed to tell fat disgusting women that they're fat and disgusting the same way I would to a fat, disgusting man?

No feminism is the foundation of transgenderism. In normal healthy society. men treat women as women and judge them based on their femininity, women treat men like men and judge us based on our masculinity. Feminists hate this because they are butch dykes with no femininity so they lose this game. So they use equality to take away 2 gender norms from everyone else, they call 2 gender norms "stereotypes" and attack everyone as a sexist for believing there are differences between a man and a women.

So if a woman is a butch dyke but still a woman am I still supposed to treat her like a woman? You've lost me. Besides, there is such a thing as a stereotype. It's not an idea that was conjured up in a lab.

SO feminists created transgenderism when they took away our right to treat men as men and women as women.

You've never heard of TERFs then, otherwise you'd know that feminists also object to transgenderism. https://medium.com/@sue.donym1984/i...opic-astroturf-and-based-on-junk-d08eb6aa1a4b
TL;DR transgenderism is a farce spearheaded by corporations to push society in the ways they want in order to maximize profit.

 

[DubbleBubble]

... This threads still going? Goddamn the entire forum ran a train on this autismos ass. If this isnt some kind of degenerate humiliation fetish it's just sad.

Also, where the white wimmens and Friend Chicken at?

 

[Foghot]

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to enjoy white cock.

 

[Stilgar of Troon]

... This threads still going? Goddamn the entire forum ran a train on this autismos ass. If this isnt some kind of degenerate humiliation fetish it's just sad.
...

Eventually, everyone on the farm will have told him to ram it up his ol' tan track, he'll have blocked everyone and he'll get the echo chamber he actually wants.
Just him and whatever socks he's made talking to each other on page 843937 of this thread.
Maybe it'll become a signup security feature:
"Please verify your humanity by telling this faggot to fuck off inside less than two pages of the Hellthread."

 

[snailslime]

Are you can SJW? You argue like one.


1. Do you acknowledge that you no longer believe in the most basic liberal value of petitioning the govt for grievances? You don't think I have a right to express myself and change this nation. You are 100% authoritarian, totalitarian?

2. You are forcing on diveristy on those naitons too. You are using NGOs or trade deals to sanctions to force "human rights" aka homosexuality, transgenderism and diversity onto the entire world.

yes, i'm the biggest sjw on this website. how did you not know that?

anyway...
1. If you're going to try and change my country by wrecking its constitutional values and hurting its legal citizens then I will never support you.

2. So you admit you're not white?

Confounding variable. Population density is a variable but so is race/ethnicity.

Prove it

No, most are diverse empires like USA.

Do you ever wonder why the most successful empires were always multicultural?

Population decrease isn't necessary a bad thing. We cannot have infinite population growth.

Well duh, but Japan's population is dying and the men are literally marrying anime girls instead of real women.

No Japanese commit less crime than most ethnic groups on this planet.
That's why they got vending machines everywhere. People don't steal at the same rates as Mexico.
When the Japanese ruled Taiwan, it was safer than it is today.

Citation needed (and don't ignore my previous point about crime being unreported/swept under the rug in Japan)

No, but most are.

False

If you have debated long enough, people will use these curse words / slurs to delegimtiize you. People use them because they work.

Curse words? Grow the fuck up snowflake

 

[Table Country]

@BoxerShorts47 Also since you've blocked GethN7 for dissenting opinions, here's a post from them

Dude, let me drop some real talk on you.

IRL, so long as you are a civil human being, I will, insofar as it does not require me to make an unreasonable sacrifice of ethics or common sense, humor whatever someone wants to be called.

If a man wants to be called a purple people eater, so long as it's harmless to do and he's nice enough about, I'll humor him. If a transgender person asks me to refer to them by certain pronouns politely and doesn't lose their shit if I don't want to, I'll honor their courtesy and do so as a gesture of returned courtesy.

As you already know, I'm a Christian, but I'm capable of putting being a civil human being over beating people over the head with my ideology and dogma because I live in something called reality, where you sometimes have to swallow your bile and live with what you don't like and humor certain things even if you don't approve, if only to keep a fight from happening you might not want to be dragged into.

I suggest you learn to do likewise, if only so you pass more as a human and less as a rabid chimp.

Fucking Christcucks am I right?