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There's something prophetic about California and New York (likely) being the first to fall from all this, after they've always been the main targets in disaster films.
 
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Y’know, I’ve been thinking...
If the US doesn’t start having piles upon piles of rioters dead from Bat Soup Fever, someone’s gonna have a lot of explaining to do. But that’s probably kind of obvious.
What I’m mostly wondering is if the riots will overtake COVID in the American spotlight long enough for people to scrape their lives back together or if some more really fucky virus-nonsense will fly under the radar.
 
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CivilianOfTheFandomWars said:
Y’know, I’ve been thinking...
If the US doesn’t start having piles upon piles of rioters dead from Bat Soup Fever, someone’s gonna have a lot of explaining to do.
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It's been like two months, and even longer since they stopped caring about rhyme or reason like every other fucking thing nowadays.
 
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FuckedUp said:
It's been like two months, and even longer since they stopped caring about rhyme or reason like every other fucking thing nowadays.
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I’d argue we stopped caring around the time they decided to close everything that’s not “essential”, but yeah.
My conspiracy theory is that there’s a bunch of people in high positions who want something, anything, to happen in the lead up to November that makes the Orange Man look bad.
 
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CivilianOfTheFandomWars said:
I’d argue we stopped caring around the time they decided to close everything that’s not “essential”, but yeah.
My conspiracy theory is that there’s a bunch of people in high positions who want something, anything, to happen in the lead up to November that makes the Orange Man look bad.
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This house arrest shit became ALL political after two weeks. That's enough time to ID hot spots and quarantine them plus buffer areas, let everyone else go back to work, etc.

I still laugh at these "geniuses" who totally forgot tax revenue will go way down when the state is on house arrest. Fucking dunces. NO bailout from Washington, either.
 
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CivilianOfTheFandomWars said:
I’d argue we stopped caring around the time they decided to close everything that’s not “essential”, but yeah.
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I'm too lazy to dig up posts, but I remember people shrieking about how cucked Sweden was for leaving things open, and that even Trudeau was cucking by daring to leave things like alcohol and marijuana shops open. Yeah I know I'm beating a dead horse, but it's so jarring and irritating how nearly all of my :lunacy: takes such as "if there's already 'unrelated' cases across the US manifesting as mild conditions, it was probably spreading months ago and nobody noticed" and "Italy's hospitals might be overloaded due to everyone panicking and going regardless of severity" turned out completely true and became primary talking points. I would've lol'd and been all "told you so" if people stopped freaking out a week into March, but now the world's irrevocably fucked and I've regressed to my angsty teenage misanthrope phase. (Okay, I'll do my math assignment now.)
 
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FuckedUp said:
I'm too lazy to dig up posts, but I remember people shrieking about how cucked Sweden was for leaving things open, and that even Trudeau was cucking by daring to leave things like alcohol and marijuana shops open. Yeah I know I'm beating a dead horse, but it's so jarring and irritating how nearly all of my :lunacy: takes such as "if there's already 'unrelated' cases across the US manifesting as mild conditions, it was probably spreading months ago and nobody noticed" and "Italy's hospitals might be overloaded due to everyone panicking and going regardless of severity" turned out completely true and became primary talking points. I would've lol'd and been all "told you so" if people stopped freaking out a week into March, but now the world's irrevocably fucked and I've regressed to my angsty teenage misanthrope phase. (Okay, I'll do my math assignment now.)
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Super thermonuclear insanity take: China was so insane because they breathe pure air pollution and are crammed together like sardines.
 
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A good thing about covid fatigue is that I was able to easily stock up on better, actual filtering masks for reasonable prices. This phase of psychological fatigue is actually pretty common for epidemics if you read up on your history.

Long time no see, some Germany news:
There's about ~7000-8000 registered active cases in Germany if you follow the official statistics. In a country with a population of about 83 million that's not much, even if you generously say there's maybe three to six times unregistered cases. (A mathematical model I saw guesses 1.5 times, actually) The trend week-to-week is still downwards and there are many "counties" (if you want to use the US term) where there have been zero cases for a while now. I would've guessed that my fellow countrymen ignore the rules completely by now like you saw in the protests, but at least where I live in everyday life it isn't really like that. You still see nobody without mask in stores and supermarkets, although that might have to do with the fact that the stores get a big fine if they're caught not enforcing the masks on their premises, and selling some stuff to somebody without mask simply isn't worth that. I had to travel by train for an hour last week and saw the occasional person without mask, mask pulled down or wearing the mask wrongly in other ways but largely, it was not the norm. (masks are mandatory in public transit)

The development of the open source tracing app is still ongoing. It uses a decentralized, anonymous approach and puts getting a test to the responsibility of the user. The github is here: https://github.com/corona-warn-app

I still listen to Drosten's podcast, he's an eminent specialist regarding Coronaviruses and especially the first SARS Virus and I mentioned him before. He recently spoke about interesting study results where CoV 2 apparently has more in common with the original SARS CoV than was thought at the beginning regarding how it spreads. I haven't read about these study results in many other places so I don't know how known they are, but it seems that, just like with the original SARS, a small minority of people cause the most infections, studies putting these numbers at about 10-20% of the infected causing 80% of all infections, so called "superspreaders". This would mean both that mitigation measures taken (social distancing, masks) don't need to be very effective to actually hinder the epidemic from progressing and also that just like with SARS, most infections that "run" the epidemic happen in big clusters, mainly at social gatherings in closed rooms. My government changed it's strategy in tracing to following back where a found infected person might have been at such a superspreading event, and just assuming that everyone who was there got infected and quarantining them and their direct contacts without even waiting for the test results. We'll have yet to see if that works, but it is promising. Japan has from the beginning assumed that CoV 2 works like SARS in that way and has been using the same tactic, and their numbers are really good. It pretty much spells doom to certain industries though. Some german Virologists and Epidiemologists are carefully optimistic that a second wave might be avoided if this is taken into account.

Otherwise, a huge 130bn euro stimulus package was just launched which among other things, temporarily lowers the VAT for the next six months. Families with children will get a one time payment of 300 euros per child on top of the regular payment you get for kids here. You also will get a 6000 Euro incentive if you buy an electric car. (disappointing the car industry which demanded a similar incentive for fossil-fueled cars) A support and loan program is included that's only for small businesses, which will hopefully save some of the restaurants, small retailers etc. hit by this. There was little critique about this stimulus package and it's mostly favoring the small guy and giving direct federal financial aid to muncipalities who were hard-hit by tax losses. Additionally, 50 billion euro will be invested into digitalizing the government, research and greener technologies mitigating the effects of climate change.

EDIT: I also find it necessary to share this music with you. (He's our minister of health)
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Which filtering mask did you go with? I might stock up too now that prices are more reasonable, just in case there is a second wave.
 
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Outside China

7,001,702 confirmed / 400,530 dead / 3,101,036 recovered

6771677 / 393683 / 2991980 two days ago

USA

1,956,527 confirmed / 110,932 dead / 506,367 recovered John Hopkins
1,965,930 confirmed / 111,685 dead / 773,480 recovered Infection2020

1919430 / 109791 / 500849 two days ago John Hopkins
1925356 / 110563 / 751894 two days ago Infection2020

Spain

241,717 confirmed / 27,136 dead / 150,376 recovered

241310 / 27135 / 150376 two days ago

Italy

235,278 confirmed / 33,964 dead / 166,584 recovered

234801 / 33846 / 165078 two days ago

France

191,313 confirmed / 29,212 dead / 71,182 recovered

190759 / 29145 / 70924 two days ago

Germany

186,109 confirmed / 8,695 dead / 169,556 recovered

185450 / 8673 / 168958 two days ago
 
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Youtube no longer tags videos with the covid warning. Oh the timing. 8)
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Really gets those fucking gears grinding, doesn't it?


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Clint Westwood said:
Really gets those fucking gears grinding, doesn't it?


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I mean, its the WHO and they've been caught lying already, so we'll see. Also, with the timing of the protests, this is going to make me second guess fucking everything. Oh now the Rona isn't as big a deal. Hmmmmmm, okay then.

But if this is true, I am going to blow a fucking gasket.

The news media scared and shamed us to stay inside for 3 motherfucking goddamn months and only for it to turn out that the thing we were trying to avoid isn't that big a deal after all?

I swear to God, its times like this I wish I had Zeus level lightning powers. The headquarters of all the major news organization would be my targets. Fucking hell.
 
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FuckedUp said:
Okay, I need to get this off my chest. I know Kiwi Farms isn't exactly an ideal place for this, but I can't think of anywhere where people would likely be as sympathetic to my particular grievances.

For those who don't know, there was a (voluntary) shelter-in-place in the Boston area for about 12 hours when they were doing a manhunt for the living marathon bomber. Nearly everyone stayed inside, which in hindsight I'm sure had to do with it being Friday and everyone wanting an excuse to skip work. And (at least K-12) schools weren't affected because it was during MA's spring break.

Anyway, that incident made me have this unshakable malaise about the Boston area, that something like that happened. I was 13 and not yet completely familiar with libertarianism, so I thought it was just a "me" thing and kept it to myself. I only really got over it a couple years ago.

Now with this thing, pretty much the entire world's been affected in a way that makes what happened in the Boston area all those years ago seem like nothing. I don't think a "new normal" would last for even a second, but my biggest fear is that the economy will just fix itself and everything will "go back to normal". In addition to the fact that this "happened", there are so many things that can't just be "fixed". And I can't just move like I was planning to after 2013 because literally nowhere's safe anymore.

So, I don't know the least sociopathic way to phrase this, but I want widespread devastation, not things like war or genocides or other things leading to mass loss of life, but an economic depression and other things severely impacting peoples' livelihoods and social order. To make the most autistic analogy possible, you know that scene in Rick and Morty where they come back from a mission and start bawling uncontrollably after a brief pause? That's kind of how I want the populace to react to all of this, because I can't accept reality otherwise.

TL;DR: I'm a disaffected 20-year-old.
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I don't think we're going back to normal quite as easily as it sounds. Schools are laying off teachers, and planning for partial enrollment/partial online in the fall (which means parents won't be going back to work), the CA UC college system has cancelled (many if not all) in person classes for the coming semester, everyone I know with a computer-based office job is still working from home for the forseeable future, the film industry literally cannot shoot in Los Angeles yet, gyms are still closed... churches are extremely limited, everyone is still wearing masks, restaurants are running at an unsustainable partially full rate... Oh, and three months of back rent will come due whenever lockdown ends.

It feels like it's over, but I still see a lot of fallout looming, never mind a potential second wave of Covid, brought on by people getting together again, or protests.

Also, I'm laughing so hard at the irony of protests being the thing that pulls us out of this... As written on my facebook, "Black lives matter more than Grandma Lives".
 
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Michigan, USA

The state board of canvassers has approved a petition to recall Governor Gretchen Whitmer (D). This is the third attempt by Albion, Michigan man Chad Baase, age 39. A different petition to recall the Governor was rejected, along with Chad Baase's petition to recall the attorney general.
Now Mr. Baase must gather 1,062,646 signatures (25% of the votes cast in the last gubernatorial election) within 60 days in order to force a new election, which will possibly take place this November, but more likely in May 2021.
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[ETA: Mr. Baase's website can be found here. Archive. His plan is to start gathering signatures on July 1, and he hopes to have enough by the end of August.]

Court of Claims judge Christopher Murray has ruled that Governor Whitmer does not have the authority to fine businesses $70,000 for violating her executive orders. The maximum penalty she can impose is $500 and 90 days in jail. She claimed that her new regulations fell under the Michigan Occupational Safety and Health Act, penalties for violating which can run up to $70,000. The judge ruled they only fell under the normal emergency powers acts, which have much lower penalties.
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MICHIGAN RECAP
Most stuff reopened or about to be. Death toll and new cases way down. It's looking like it's all over except the lawsuits.
 
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This is from FT- archive

"On Saturday, Beijing fired the latest salvo in its battle with Canberra when its ministry of culture and tourism issued a travel warning to its citizens, saying there had been a “significant increase” in racist attacks on “Chinese and Asian people” because of Covid-19.
It did not provide any evidence of such attacks, although there have been anecdotal instances of racist incidents against Asians in Australia in recent months. :story:
Canberra has rejected the allegations of increased racist attacks, adding that the claim had “no basis in fact”.
 
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Kornheiser said:
Why did so many people hate the anti-lockdown protestors but love the current ones? I would say it’s political but why wouldn’t people want things to go back before the virus.
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Its political. Alot of people are sheep that feel how they are told to feel and react how they are told to react by whatever side of the political aisle they are on.

One of my biggest gripes with modern day politics is that there is too much "Its okay when my side does it". The right is guilty of it too, but the left has the media on their side, so its a lot more obvious.

When the anti-lockdown protests were happening, I had a discussion with someone who said that everyone participating in these protests were just spoiled brats that wanted to get haircuts and how its disgusting how these people don't respect a woman's right to choose and disregard women's health, but will endanger everybody else.

It was pretty exceptional and he conflated so many things together, I was kind of at a loss. Me pointing out "Well a bunch of these people are among the millions that lost their jobs and they want to go back to work to support their family and keep a roof over their heads. Its not like anyone is hiring at the moment and what other course of action do those people have". Those words fell on deaf ears and he decided to focus on the Karens of the world instead of any real gripes that people might have. I would also like to point out that this guy was able to work from home during all of this, and he's single and has no kids, so its not like he was feeling the effects as much as others.

I wonder what he would have to say about these protests though? The complete 180 people have done about social distancing, wearing masks, #StaytheFuckHome all went south quick fast and in a hurry.

And anybody that speaks out about the protests? Well, they are filthy racists! They seem to ignore the rioting and looting (which are really the things that the right have a problem with), or outright justify it based on past injustices that happened before any of these people were born.

Me personally? I felt like we surrendered way too much of our freedoms way too easily over a moral panic regarding a virus that I felt was more manageable than we were led to believe. I think protesting should be allowed and the first amendment protected, and that's true for everyone.

I don't mind BLM protests...but could you not burn down the city and attack when you do it? Just a thought.

And its starting to look like the virus was indeed more manageable than we were led to believe, and if that's the case, I'm going to be super pissed.
 
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