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De Blasio pledges to shift funding from NYC police to social services

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) on Sunday pledged to cut funding for the New York Police Department and reallocate it to youth and social services as calls for reforming law enforcement agen…

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New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) on Sunday pledged to cut funding for the New York Police Department and reallocate it to youth and social services, as calls for reforming law enforcement agencies grow in response to the death of George Floyd.

Calls to "defund the police" and put more investment towards other public services has become a top demand among activists in cities across the U.S. as they speak out against police brutality and racial injustice.

De Blasio said during a press conference Sunday that the city would move funding from the New York Police Department to youth initiatives and social services in its next budget. He did not say how much he plans to divert from the police department, which has annual budget of $6 billion, or more than 6 percent of de Blasio's proposed 2021 proposed fiscal budget, The New York Times noted.

"The details will be worked out in the budget process in the weeks ahead," de Blasio said. "But I want people to understand that we are committed to shifting resources to ensure that the focus is on our young people."

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“I also will affirm, while doing that, we will only do it in a way that we are certain continues to ensure that this city will be safe," he added.

The announcement came just hours after de Blasio announced that a city-wide curfew would no longer be in effect. The mayor said that the end to the policy stemmed from protests being largely peaceful in the city over the weekend.

Funding for police departments has become a major source of tension among protestors in wake of the death of Floyd, who died in police custody in Minneapolis. Many have called for diverting the investments towards other social services in certain communities.

City leaders in San Francisco and Los Angeles have responded to recent demonstrations by pledging to cut funding for the police. Members of the City Council in Minneapolis have called for dismantling its police department entirely. But Minneapolis mayor Jacob Frey (D) voiced opposition to that stance on Saturday, prompting protestors to demand he leave the demonstration.

In New York City, dozens of employees at the Mayor’s Office of Criminal Justice signed a statement demanding that he endorse a list of policing reforms, according to the Times. Hundreds of former and current de Blasio staffers also sent an open letter to the mayor calling on him to cut the New York police's budget by $1 billion.
Ed Mullins, the president of the Sergeants Benevolent Association, a police union, told The Times that he was skeptical of de Blasio's pledge.

“I know he just recently said that he wasn’t going to that,” Mullins said. “I guess, let’s see what he says on Monday and what his next decision is going to be.”

The "defund the police" movement has touched off a polarizing debate over what its goals are. Black Lives Matter co-founder Alicia Garza addressed that question on NBC's "Meet The Press" on Sunday, noting that "when we talk about defunding the police, what we're saying is 'invest in the resources that our communities need.’”

“Why can't we start to look at how it is that we reorganize our priorities so people don’t have to be in the streets protesting ... in a global pandemic?” she added.

 

[Kaiser Wilhelm's Ghost]

You can't do that.


The Feds cannot do local policing, it's part of the whole concept of Federalism that there is no ability for the Feds to usurp local/state-level control, except in dire emergencies that threaten Federal law or property. Just "high crime" doesn't qualify.

And having no police force, by choice, is fucking stupid with predictable results, but, not an emergency that means the city can throw up their hands and say it's the National Guard or FBI's job to catch purse-snatchers now due to forever-emergency (tm) of having no police.

At the most, if NYC did this the DHS would be on permanent deployment at 1 Federal Plaza and the Reserve Bank of New York and the airports, but that is IT. Everyone else would have to fend for themselves.

If it were legal or feasible to "pass the buck" to the Feds, cities would have ALL disbanded their uniformed police long ago if for no other reason than to save money and hassle.

It will either fall to the State to enforce either through some outside law apparatus or ultimately the Fed could enforce something, but not after some very long and drawn out legal battles or using an emergency power to hand over the cities administration and remove people in office who will not comply. (An extraordinary measure to be sure, but not unfeasible.) That said, it's a huge can of worms and would likely be a last resort.

That said the alternative is having a private policing service which itself will have mixed results, again its anecdotal but in South Africa for instance, if you actually want a crime to be investigated properly by the police, then the recommendation is you use a private security firm. The same private security firms that employ off duty police officers.

 

[Ledian]

It should be reminded that only city folk think of New York as a “great” place to live.
Many people upstate, and somewhat in the suburbs, don’t think that the city of New York speaks for all New Yorkers.

The city can sink into the Earth and I wouldn't shed a damn tear. Albany can join it when it happens. The rest of NY is just along for the ride, NYC forces the state's direction. People out here wish things can be different but no. If you ever wanted a good microcosm of what coastal elites ruling a land that has different needs, look no further than NY state.

That said, if you get rid of the shitty state government, asinine laws, and absurd property taxes, NY would be a decent place to live. Until then, stay clear and if you must, look for a place to live above I-84. Lots of small towns and cities with charming scenery, avoid Newburgh if you value your life.

 

[Xarpho]

One of the reasons why Death Wish (the original one, not the one with Bruce Willis) was so financially successful is the high urban crime rates and depicting a guy with a gun hunting them down really resonated with audiences, even if the critics at the time didn't like it.

In real life, cutting funding for the NYPD will just cause more crime and a power vacuum for organized criminal groups.

 

[LolNoIPLeaksEvenLMFAO]

Whatever makes the legit boog happen sooner.

 

[Slimy Time]

So we can pull $10 trillion out of our asses to fund the Green New Deal, but we have to defund the police if we want to get money to more social services, huh? While he's at it maybe he should spend some of that mental healthcare money on his daughter, since she doesn't seem to be able to go out in public without flashing her jaundice-looking ass on the goddamned subway.

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Is that actually her? Wouldn't surprise me, she's definitely the fuckup of his two kids. Can we match tattoos to the person?
Edit: I think I found proof it's her.

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What a fucking disaster letting your daughter come out like that.

 

[Garm]

I figure that the police will be reinstated in short order. These community policing groups will work until the cartels move in, then you have average, untrained citizens fighting a professional army of sorts.

Once families start getting beheaded for opposing people the system will collapse.

 

[Slimy Time]

I figure that the police will be reinstated in short order. These community policing groups will work until the cartels move in, then you have average, untrained citizens fighting a professional army of sorts.

Once families start getting beheaded for opposing people the system will collapse.

If it reaches that point it's too late. The cartels aren't going to go "oh, the cops are back, better pack shit up and move out". They will be there to stay, and will be more subtle about how they do things.

 

[TowinKarz]

If it reaches that point it's too late. The cartels aren't going to go "oh, the cops are back, better pack shit up and move out". They will be there to stay, and will be more subtle about how they do things.

At that point, you'll be paying them protection openly and regularly, less they just murder the first fresh batch of cops outright.... it's not like it's gonna be hard to identify them.... and implicit in the "license to police" you have to buy from the criminal gangs is a list of restrictions on who you can and can't arrest and for what, which, if violated, will result in dead cops by the truckload, just like in a mob war.

 

[The Door]

Whose pocket is that disappearing into?

 

[Garm]

If it reaches that point it's too late. The cartels aren't going to go "oh, the cops are back, better pack shit up and move out". They will be there to stay, and will be more subtle about how they do things.

I thinking that "how are they going to handle escalation?" Community officer Joe Schmoe and his back up band can probably handle day to day shit. But what happens when some guy shows up with body armor and more gun power? What happens when they come face to face with a group that is better armed and better trained? Or shit, you get a fucking proxy war between two groups happening in our cities.

These guys are armed with T-shirts and civilian grade equipment. They won't have support staff or other material resources (wear and tear on guns).


2. Are these guys going to get paid? How many calls do cops go on during the average shift? What happens after the riots and people get bored with the day to day stuff?

3. How will evidence be handled? Or is it just mob justice? If it is just mob justice, why do we keep the criminal courts?

It seems like they are going to try to iron this out in a rush, end up with an ad hoc system that will be worse than the one it replaced and end up with the same problems.

 

[Slimy Time]

I thinking that "how are they going to handle escalation?" Community officer Joe Schmoe and his back up band can probably handle day to day shit. But what happens when some guy shows up with body armor and more gun power? What happens when they come face to face with a group that is better armed and better trained? Or shit, you get a fucking proxy war between two groups happening in our cities.

These guys are armed with T-shirts and civilian grade equipment. They won't have support staff or other material resources (wear and tear on guns).


2. Are these guys going to get paid? How many calls do cops go on during the average shift? What happens after the riots and people get bored with the day to day stuff?

3. How will evidence be handled? Or is it just mob justice? If it is just mob justice, why do we keep the criminal courts?

It seems like they are going to try to iron this out in a rush, end up with an ad hoc system that will be worse than the one it replaced and end up with the same problems.

Point 3 will ensure that no prosecutor ever does anything in NYC. None of these people know how to bag evidence or write proper witness statements, assuming they even take them. It will become a defence attorney's wet dream.

• Mr Carlos charged with murder, let's get to the evidence. Bring in the real evidence, knives, guns, whatever you have.
• Your honour, the community watch didn't pick up of photograph any murder weapons. They didn't do any blood or DNA analysis either. We have nothing.
• Very well, bring in the witnesses.
• Your honour, there is no witness, the community watch didn't investigate or take a statement from anyone there when they showed up. No one is willing to come forward either.
• Is there anything you have to substantiate these claims counsel?
• No, not really your honour.
• Well jury, go in for your deliberation....1 minute later - Not Guilty.

Seriously, imagine the levels of incompetence with these community watch/police. You could probably do anything and get away with it.

 

[murdered meat bag]

Point 3 will ensure that no prosecutor ever does anything in NYC. None of these people know how to bag evidence or write proper witness statements, assuming they even take them. It will become a defence attorney's wet dream.

• Mr Carlos charged with murder, let's get to the evidence. Bring in the real evidence, knives, guns, whatever you have.
• Your honour, the community watch didn't pick up of photograph any murder weapons. They didn't do any blood or DNA analysis either. We have nothing.
• Very well, bring in the witnesses.
• Your honour, there is no witness, the community watch didn't investigate or take a statement from anyone there when they showed up. No one is willing to come forward either.
• Is there anything you have to substantiate these claims counsel?
• No, not really your honour.
• Well jury, go in for your deliberation....1 minute later - Not Guilty.

Seriously, imagine the levels of incompetence with these community watch/police. You could probably do anything and get away with it.

It'll probably end up like england's PCSOs.

Police community support officer - Wikipedia

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They handle the "easy" stuff that doesn't require force or arrest powers. looks like a few of them died from heart attacks on the job and another was beaten to death by youths. They'll do fuck all in America because american criminals have guns and rights that non criminals don't.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

No police
Nobody to arrest you for open carrying your AK-47 and bandolier full of six revolvers

 

[Syaoran Li]

Is DeBlasio really that insane?

If New York City in the 70's was a crime-ridden hellhole, then New York in the 2020's is going to be like Fallout on crack.

Go ahead, bite the Big Apple! Don't mind the maggots!

Fun fact, back in the height of NYC's crime-ridden malaise in the 70's, Ford and Carter had both considered the possibility of moving the Wall Street stock exchanges out of New York and into Chicago, since Chicago was actually doing fairly well economically at the time and had a lower crime rate by comparison.

Now Chicago is an utterly crime-ridden hellhole and everything's done online these days, so if DeBlasio actually goes through on disbanding or even severely defunding the NYPD to cover for Antifa and BLM, he may have more or less doomed his city.

 

[Hollywood Hitler]

something something not learning something history repeating

Or they want the NYC of the '70s back as some kind of nostalgia?

I think the Left really loved Joker and wants to bring the grittiness of Gotham back to NYC IRL.

 

[Antipathy]

I think the Left really loved Joker and wants to bring the grittiness of Gotham back to NYC IRL.

Don't. In this timeline our Batman would be wearing a fursuit.

 

[Bland Crumbs]

what will the jews do? will they flee the city or will they rent some IDF soldiers to defend their banks?

Jews will probably lean on and grow Shomrim. They are already allowed to do things regular citizens are not so...one thing that will happen in the fall of NYC is a massive explosion in the Hasidic Cult's hold on Brooklyn. One of the reasons things get so fucky in NY is that voting bloc.

Point 3 will ensure that no prosecutor ever does anything in NYC. None of these people know how to bag evidence or write proper witness statements, assuming they even take them. It will become a defence attorney's wet dream.

• Mr Carlos charged with murder, let's get to the evidence. Bring in the real evidence, knives, guns, whatever you have.
• Your honour, the community watch didn't pick up of photograph any murder weapons. They didn't do any blood or DNA analysis either. We have nothing.
• Very well, bring in the witnesses.
• Your honour, there is no witness, the community watch didn't investigate or take a statement from anyone there when they showed up. No one is willing to come forward either.
• Is there anything you have to substantiate these claims counsel?
• No, not really your honour.
• Well jury, go in for your deliberation....1 minute later - Not Guilty.

Seriously, imagine the levels of incompetence with these community watch/police. You could probably do anything and get away with it.

Do not forget the fact that such a watch would have limited actual authority. So these people yelling fuck the police and ambushing police are going to be murdering the shit out of what are essentially organized snitches. This will dissuade such groups from actually doing anything but providing cover for gangs.

It is so fucking exceptional to think removing the police is a good idea.

 

[derpherp2]

If it reaches that point it's too late. The cartels aren't going to go "oh, the cops are back, better pack shit up and move out". They will be there to stay, and will be more subtle about how they do things.

Which is why doing this shit is a bad idea, especially since cartels will also spread out to neighboring areas.
But sure, feels over reals.

These guys need to be held accountable for when the inevitable happens.

 

[CDWLTY]

Which is why doing this shit is a bad idea, especially since cartels will also spread out to neighboring areas.
But sure, feels over reals.

These guys need to be held accountable for when the inevitable happens.

The good news is that there are a looooot of high spots to watch the cartels in the city. If they start getting out of hand, at least bolt actions are legal. I doubt anyone will get too huffy over some guatemalan dude with a face tat gettin' aced.

You guys obviously don't get how all ths works though. There will be no escelation, because they'll get rid of the root causes of crime in the first place. Everyone knows murders are primarily caused by people who have been forced to steal bread to feed their family, as well as artists being denied the chance to perform without worrying about material costs and venue rentals. Once we send 23% of cop funding to rape counselors and finger painting instructors crime will virtually disappear.

 

[Slimy Time]

Which is why doing this shit is a bad idea, especially since cartels will also spread out to neighboring areas.
But sure, feels over reals.

These guys need to be held accountable for when the inevitable happens.

Hispanics suddenly become "white Hispanics" whenever one of them kills or does harm to a negro. Pretty sure they are will just say that white nationalism is on the rise again and blame the orange man.