The Mysterious Mr. Enter / Jonathan Rozanski's "Growing Around" - IndieGoGo Campaign Failed, John going off the deep end, "Turning Red" is ignorant about 9/11 (later retracted)

[Just_a_Bored_Guy]

This is odd.

TL;DW
10. Tomska's Oreo video
9. Nissin's Ghibli Cup Noodles
8. Chex Quest, as well as games packed in with food
7. Dumb Ways to Die
6. Hotel 626

 

[Massively Strong Greed]

This is odd.

Oh look, it's still not the Madoka review.

 

[DickMain]

Sorry to bring up Freddy Got Fingered again, but...

For what it's worth, Freddy Got Fingered is relevant more often than it is not.

 

[Pachyderm Patriarch]

“Tell me, praytell, when is a protest okay?”

John, that’s not how English works.

Sorry I might be retarded, how exactly is that the wrong use of praytell?

 

[SixTrees]

Sorry I might be retarded, how exactly is that the wrong use of praytell?

Praytell is pretty much the fancy way of saying “tell me”, so it’s less that it’s the wrong use of the word and more that he’s used it twice. So redundant duplication, I think.

On topic, I don’t actually feel like Enter is a True and Honest pedo or predator. He strikes me as just being too stupid to realise the implications of his actions. In his eyes there’s probably not much difference between doing something to his child characters versus doing it to the adults.

which is pretty ironic given the entire point of GA but I digress

 

[Tragedy of the Senate]

Oh look, it's still not the Madoka review.

Did he really need to split a Top 10 Advertising Campaign list into two parts?

 

[Lurk Jurk]

They don't actually mentally revert into kids, they have adult mentalities. Which is, really, part of the problem because if they're smarter, stronger, etc. it makes no sense that there has never been any sort of uprising. It doesn't make sense that only one person (Shane) realizes the world is fucked up. It doesn't make sense the adults are being taught how to do "kid stuff" in school that they should remember from their own youth.

That just makes this concept make even less sense. What do adults get to retire from the responsibilities of childhood and just make more babies?

The thing is this idea COULD work if you just completely embraced the absurdity of it and wrote it as if a child were writing it from a child's understanding and perspective. You could easily see a child thinking "OH YEAH? Well what if KIDS were in charge and went to work and adults had to go to school instead!?" You could get pretty funny and creative with that, and treating it as if it were a child coming up with this world you could easily avoid all the uncomfortable questions about the logistics of it all. Cause a kid doesn't know any better. A kid doesn't actually understand adult life or adult things.

You could have the adults just be big clueless oafs who like weird things like newspapers, bran cereal and waiting in line, who just are too naive to understand the importance of maintaining one's business relationship with their imaginary friend, or the value of jawbreakers on the candy stock market.

The other thing about people like Enter is they think they'll just pitch their brilliant idea to a network and get put completely in creative control because they're obviously a genius. Cartoons change so much from their initial pitch and pilot. Ideas get changed, characters get refined etc. People who think they're just gonna waltz into the industry with no clout, no experience, and no contacts like some genius auteur who networks are going fall all over themselves to hire are in for a painful reality check.

 

[Icarus B. Nezzer]

Did he really need to split a Top 10 Advertising Campaign list into two parts?

Of course.

1) The algorithm doesn't like longer videos, and Lord forbid Enter condense a Top 10 script to be under an hour (btw, with the way he writes, I'm certain part two will be twice as long as part one.)

2) The algorithm doesn't like inactive channels that don't post anything in a month, and Lord forbid Enter accelerate his production schedule to upload more than a single video every month.

 

[Pachyderm Patriarch]

That just makes this concept make even less sense. What do adults get to retire from the responsibilities of childhood and just make more babies?

The thing is this idea COULD work if you just completely embraced the absurdity of it and wrote it as if a child were writing it from a child's understanding and perspective. You could easily see a child thinking "OH YEAH? Well what if KIDS were in charge and went to work and adults had to go to school instead!?" You could get pretty funny and creative with that, and treating it as if it were a child coming up with this world you could easily avoid all the uncomfortable questions about the logistics of it all. Cause a kid doesn't know any better. A kid doesn't actually understand adult life or adult things.

You could have the adults just be big clueless oafs who like weird things like newspapers, bran cereal and waiting in line, who just are too naive to understand the importance of maintaining one's business relationship with their imaginary friend, or the value of jawbreakers on the candy stock market.

The other thing about people like Enter is they think they'll just pitch their brilliant idea to a network and get put completely in creative control because they're obviously a genius. Cartoons change so much from their initial pitch and pilot. Ideas get changed, characters get refined etc. People who think they're just gonna waltz into the industry with no clout, no experience, and no contacts like some genius auteur who networks are going fall all over themselves to hire are in for a painful reality check.

That's how I see it. One way this could be salvaged is by emulating Axe Cop, where the story is being told by some 10 year old ot his little brother, so there are essentially no rules. If I had any interest in this concept, I'd go about making it a black comedy, where basically the implications are fully acknowledged and the chaos is just a given (that said, I don't see much material for this premise lasting more than ten episodes honestly, a short film would suit it better). But Enter insists that this world take itself seriously and thus it falls flat on it's face. It's like a clown coming to your 5 year old's birthday party and reading slam poetry insteady of throwing pies and making balloon animals.

 

[Just_a_Bored_Guy]

Of course.

1) The algorithm doesn't like longer videos, and Lord forbid Enter condense a Top 10 script to be under an hour (btw, with the way he writes, I'm certain part two will be twice as long as part one.)

It was mentioned earlier Enter thinks he has hypergraphia. Considering his insistence on writing detail after detail about a subject and his refusal to condense them, this could very well be the case.

2) The algorithm doesn't like inactive channels that don't post anything in a month, and Lord forbid Enter accelerate his production schedule to upload more than a single video every month.

Enter has been critical of his work when he did have a schedule and has tried to have a consistent schedule multiple times, usually resulting in burnout. It seems he's decided his reviews are at their "best" when he gives them as much time as he thinks they need. The problem is that can takes upwards of weeks, and he's terrible at communicating about his videos to boot.
And this isn't factoring things like Star's slow editing process, his consistent health issues, the aforementioned hypergraphia, his constantly wavering motivation, etc.

 

[Crescent Fresh]

That just makes this concept make even less sense. What do adults get to retire from the responsibilities of childhood and just make more babies?

The thing is this idea COULD work if you just completely embraced the absurdity of it and wrote it as if a child were writing it from a child's understanding and perspective. You could easily see a child thinking "OH YEAH? Well what if KIDS were in charge and went to work and adults had to go to school instead!?" You could get pretty funny and creative with that, and treating it as if it were a child coming up with this world you could easily avoid all the uncomfortable questions about the logistics of it all. Cause a kid doesn't know any better. A kid doesn't actually understand adult life or adult things.

You could have the adults just be big clueless oafs who like weird things like newspapers, bran cereal and waiting in line, who just are too naive to understand the importance of maintaining one's business relationship with their imaginary friend, or the value of jawbreakers on the candy stock market.

The other thing about people like Enter is they think they'll just pitch their brilliant idea to a network and get put completely in creative control because they're obviously a genius. Cartoons change so much from their initial pitch and pilot. Ideas get changed, characters get refined etc. People who think they're just gonna waltz into the industry with no clout, no experience, and no contacts like some genius auteur who networks are going fall all over themselves to hire are in for a painful reality check.

That... actually might be the best way I’ve seen yet for making it into a legitimate series concept. Especially if you phrase it in a bit of a meta way, like “(Fictional streaming service/channel) was running out of ideas and money, so they took a deal from one of their top investors to give a full season order to whatever his son could come up with. This is the result.” A bunch of things that come off as creepy in the scripts could instead come off as amusing if they appear to be written by a literal child instead.

I only say “appear” since you could also make a huge finale joke at the end of the season(because this concept does not remotely deserve more than one) where the son, assumed to be like five or something by the viewer over the course of the season, is revealed to be like 30 instead.

Of course, Enter isn’t remotely self-aware enough to take this path, but it’s certainly the most marketable take I’ve seen.

 

[Robert James]

Considering enters fascination with his female lead, episodes about girl power, and his sisification fetish how long till he anounces his transition? I mean right now it feels like Chris pre-tomgirl saga where he's desperately trying to fight his urge to wear girly stuff.

Pokemon really does seem like the most likely origin.
Just a few pages ago there were even discussions about the 4kids donut scene that Enter wants to reference and thinks its okay when he's doing it.
The Pokemon animes does seem ingrained into this.

Unless he droped before gen 3 came out why would he pick up cross dressing and not the fury fetish from pokemon. I don't know, maybe I spent too much time in that community but from my experience the first fetish people pick up from it is fury. As for the jelly donut/rice ball joke It was actually common in quite a few shows, tokyo mewmew and Digi-mon had similar scenes, and it became a way to make fun of four kids and localization. Also it was joked about a lot with abridged series and T.V. tropes I'm guessing that's where he picked it up from. Mind you if you see a joke about a frying pan become a drying pan then he definitely picked it up from Pokemon and jumped before the fury bate entered the series.

 

[Icarus B. Nezzer]

Unless he droped before gen 3 came out why would he pick up cross dressing and not the fury fetish from pokemon. I don't know, maybe I spent too much time in that community but from my experience the first fetish people pick up from it is fury. As for the jelly donut/rice ball joke It was actually common in quite a few shows, tokyo mewmew and Digi-mon had similar scenes, and it became a way to make fun of four kids and localization. Also it was joked about a lot with abridged series and T.V. tropes I'm guessing that's where he picked it up from. Mind you if you see a joke about a frying pan become a drying pan then he definitely picked it up from Pokemon and jumped before the fury bate entered the series.

I know Enter's played a lot of the Pokémon games, but I'm going to guess he only watched the Kanto season of the animé, or lost his patience somewhere in Johto (Can't blame him there; even the first showrunner quit during Johto.) I only say this because he once considered reviewing "Bye Bye Butterfree" as an Admirable Animation, and that's the pseudo-Oscarbait episode all genwunners seem to praise.

 

[LiquidKid]

Sorry I might be retarded, how exactly is that the wrong use of praytell?

Pray tell is a very old way of saying “please explain.”(Pray meaning please and tell meaning explain), and saying “tell me, please explain” is redundant and doesn’t fit any correct English structure. Which is why it’s often used like “how then, pray tell, did he use it incorrectly?”
He shouldn’t be using old English for a plethora of reasons, but not understanding the old English terms is a big one.

This is odd.

TL;DW
10. Tomska's Oreo video
9. Nissin's Ghibli Cup Noodles
8. Chex Quest, as well as games packed in with food
7. Dumb Ways to Die
6. Hotel 626

I’m actually terrified to watch this because it might make my head explode

EDIT:
I watched it. It’s worth noting that other than Chex Quest and Dumb Ways to Die, none of these were necessarily successful ad campaigns. They did ok, but not the “best ad campaigns” ever category, but again this is just someone who did this kind of thing for a living’s perspective.
He does misunderstand what these are going for though.

Spoiler: Unwanted delve

1- “why would Oreos ever pay for such a dark video? Simple, the video is a comedy and fans of this guy would watch it and see all the fun he had with something as simple as Oreos and try to make their own YouTube videos using snacks. Imitation is a big part of advertising as the primary goal isn’t actually to sell the product, it’s to convince you that the product will make your life better in some way. And even just laughing at a YouTube video featuring Oreos can be seen as Oreos making your life better. Then there’s just the fact that he’s an influencer with a large audience and it made sense.
2-Nissin has to advertise for the same reason every company does, not advertising can have negative effects when you have competitors, and japan has a shit ton of competitors in the instant noodle market. A popular anecdote is the one year pepsi didn’t sponsor the super bowl and had a massive sales drop. There’s a reason Mars candy(skittles, M&Ms etc) spends more on advertising than any company in the world despite having the most popular candy in the world.
3-again, the video game thing was to make their product improve your life, no different than the toy in the box(some cereal boxes in the 70’s has cardboard records you could cut out and play). Chex Quest worked because it was child friendly doom and it actually sold a massive amount of Chex boxes.
4-not a whole lot wrong with what he says and he doesn’t really pretend to understand what made it work besides a catchy song.
5-Hotel 626 and other ARG’s(this was technically a hybrid but still very much an ARG) rely on word of mouth to get people talking. And when word spreads about this creepy game eventually word turns into “Yo, did you hear about this creepy game Doritos made?” It becomes impossible not to talk about it without bringing up Doritos and that’s why it worked as an advertisement, because you’re bringing up Doritos and keeping it in the public consciousness.

 

[Lurk Jurk]

That... actually might be the best way I’ve seen yet for making it into a legitimate series concept. Especially if you phrase it in a bit of a meta way, like “(Fictional streaming service/channel) was running out of ideas and money, so they took a deal from one of their top investors to give a full season order to whatever his son could come up with. This is the result.” A bunch of things that come off as creepy in the scripts could instead come off as amusing if they appear to be written by a literal child instead.

I only say “appear” since you could also make a huge finale joke at the end of the season(because this concept does not remotely deserve more then one) where the son, assumed to be like five or something by the viewer over the course of the season, is revealed to be like 30 instead.

Of course, Enter isn’t remotely self-aware enough to take this path, but it’s certainly the most marketable take I’ve seen.

This is gonna make me sound like an old fart but a show I grew up with was The Adventures of Pete & Pete. It was pure 90's Nickelodeon absurdity. My siblings and I loved it, and I got it on DVD as an adult.

One thing I noticed and could appreciate as an adult is how much it's written from a kid's perspective. Especially when it comes to the adult characters. For example: if an adult is a math teacher or an underwear inspector then they behave as if that is their one true calling in life. Cause why else would an adult have a given job if it wasn't what they always wanted to do, right? That's how kids think. It's unreal how much the show simultaneously captures a child's point of view on their level and the nostalgia of childhood for adults watching.

What I'm saying is: you don't even need a literal framing device of it being written by a child. You just need to capture that perspective. I think another problem Enter, and people like him, have is: what is the message? What are you trying to accomplish with this story or idea? What is the purpose of it? What are you communicating? You can come up with a neat concept, but if premise or the story has no point then it doesn't go anywhere. If he did successfully pitch this thing it would then be heavily workshopped into something viable.

 

[CoconutCat]

You know, I've been thinking more about It's a Boys' Girls' World and, if Growing Around ever actually gets made (it won't, but let's pretend), that episode is going to REALLY piss a lot of people off.

When Adventure Time does a gender swap episode, they subvert stereotypes by having the characters not act much different from their canon counterparts. Growing Around does the complete exact opposite and goes out of its way to emphasise how radically different the characters are.

You could argue that it's more realistic because gender does influence how others treat you in real life, but the episode does absolutely nothing to deconstruct or otherwise start a discussion about this. It just plays everything completely straight.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

You know, I've been thinking more about It's a Boys' Girls' World and, if Growing Around ever actually gets made (it won't, but let's pretend), that episode is going to REALLY piss a lot of people off.

When Adventure Time does a gender swap episode, they subvert stereotypes by having the characters not act much different from their canon counterparts. Growing Around does the complete exact opposite and goes out of its way to emphasise how radically different the characters are.

You could argue that it's more realistic because gender does influence how others treat you in real life, but the episode does absolutely nothing to deconstruct or otherwise start a discussion about this. It just plays everything completely straight.

I think that in the 0% chance Growing Around gets made I bet no one will watch it and question everything about the worldbuilding including the children. I think it would be cancelled after a short amount of time as well either due to poor ratings or complaints from parents.

 

[Icarus B. Nezzer]

I think that in the 0% chance Growing Around gets made I bet no one will watch it and question everything about the worldbuilding including the children. I think it would be cancelled after a short amount of time as well either due to poor ratings or complaints from parents.

For better or worse, it's exactly the kind of show that a network would drop after five episodes in favor of more SpongeBob/TTG reruns.

 

[Master Shake]

When Adventure Time does a gender swap episode, they subvert stereotypes by having the characters not act much different from their canon counterparts. Growing Around does the complete exact opposite and goes out of its way to emphasise how radically different the characters are.

Didn't he criticize a Loud House episode for the exact same thing?
I know it's probably because of the 'tism/unwarranted self-importance, but how can one be so blind to their own flaws, especially the ones they criticize others for?

 

[Burmese Rice Farmer]

Didn't he criticize a Loud House episode for the exact same thing?
I know it's probably because of the 'tism/unwarranted self-importance, but how can one be so blind to their own flaws, especially the ones they criticize others for?

You don't understand, he's doing them right! He's the world's best writer so he's doing it but better! Idiot!