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Duncan Hills Coffee said:
but now it's come out that Abby's been doing a cross-country roadtrip murdering anyone named Joel.
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How many fucking people in the world are named Joel? How does Abby's plan even make sense?

At least the Terminator had a full name and a city, so there was only 3 possibilities. Imagine trying to kill everyone in the US named Sarah.
 
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Something else that struck me with all these early leaks showing that the game is more interested in teen drama than it is the harsh realities about surviving in a post-apocalyptic wasteland infested with zombies (mushroom or not they're still zombies). There's this weird, almost cavalier attitude towards pregnancy, as if to say, "Oh, well, that's what happens!" like a teenage high school drama. There's not really any weight to it and it's there just because that's a thing that happens in human relationships.

I thought back to Dawn of the Dead, which is absolutely an unfair comparison because that movie's everything TLOU wishes it was, but it's important because one of the major subplots involves Fran's pregnancy. It's a major aspect of the movie and it directly affects a good chunk of the movie's drama. Fran is terrified about bringing a human being into this hellscape world infested with zombies, and it leads to a frank discussion with Peter about whether she wants to abort it. It's a brilliant subplot because the decision to bring a human into this world is already a difficult decision, but the addition of zombies and the necessity for survival adds more weight to that decision. There's a lot of unknowns involved, which is why Fran's decision to keep the baby is so important.

We're not really seeing that in TLOU 2, at least not as far as I can see. It's disturbing how the game's chucking those important questions away in favor of what amounts to a high school drama with the post-apocalyptic elements as a background element.
 
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Duncan Hills Coffee said:
Something else that struck me with all these early leaks showing that the game is more interested in teen drama than it is the harsh realities about surviving in a post-apocalyptic wasteland infested with zombies (mushroom or not they're still zombies). There's this weird, almost cavalier attitude towards pregnancy, as if to say, "Oh, well, that's what happens!" like a teenage high school drama. There's not really any weight to it and it's there just because that's a thing that happens in human relationships.

I thought back to Dawn of the Dead, which is absolutely an unfair comparison because that movie's everything TLOU wishes it was, but it's important because one of the major subplots involves Fran's pregnancy. It's a major aspect of the movie and it directly affects a good chunk of the movie's drama. Fran is terrified about bringing a human being into this hellscape world infested with zombies, and it leads to a frank discussion with Peter about whether she wants to abort it. It's a brilliant subplot because the decision to bring a human into this world is already a difficult decision, but the addition of zombies and the necessity for survival adds more weight to that decision. There's a lot of unknowns involved, which is why Fran's decision to keep the baby is so important.

We're not really seeing that in TLOU 2, at least not as far as I can see. It's disturbing how the game's chucking those important questions away in favor of what amounts to a high school drama with the post-apocalyptic elements as a background element.
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who cares about female agency, we need to cuck the asian loser with two lipstick lesbian.- neil druckman
 
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You know, the original Drakengard was all doom and bleakness and despair with a bloodthirsty morally corrupt protagonist, but that game had a fun WTF tone, plus it was a Dynasty Warriors kill 2000 enemies in a level type game anyway. Hell, the members of your own party were a child molester blind man, a crazy elf woman that wanted to eat children, and a child that could never grow older. Plus the plot revolved around trying to save your sister who literally wanted to fuck you and then literally killed herself when she told you that. You then had to fight a 7 year old girl to save the world.

Check out The Dark ID's Let's Play of that game, or even better watch some of the cutscenes on YouTube with no context.
 
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Nice product placement in your serious "art" game cuckmann :story:
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Marissa Moira said:
It's now a hypothetical dead heat between Bro Team and Oney Plays on who will have the most lively stream of this game.
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Oney probably won't even touch it. I'm more interested in if MatthewMatosis will review it like he did the first game. I'd love to see him rip it apart the same way he did Bioshock Infinite or God Of War.
 
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Salubrious said:
How many fucking people in the world are named Joel? How does Abby's plan even make sense?

At least the Terminator had a full name and a city, so there was only 3 possibilities. Imagine trying to kill everyone in the US named Sarah.
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The Terminator was also literally a soulless machine created solely to kill, carrying out its programmed objectives with amoral cold logic. It never had a conscience, was never human in any way that mattered, and we were certainly never expected to sympathize with it. The Terminator is also a quite well-known and well-regarded movie of its time, and it is pretty likely that a dingleberry on Hollywood's filthy unwiped asshole like Druckmann would have watched it at some point or at least be aware of the relevant plot points by cultural osmosis. That he would use the same plot point for his tranny playable character as this famed villain is so mind-boggling I can hardly believe it.
 
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Duncan Hills Coffee said:
Something else that struck me with all these early leaks showing that the game is more interested in teen drama than it is the harsh realities about surviving in a post-apocalyptic wasteland infested with zombies (mushroom or not they're still zombies). There's this weird, almost cavalier attitude towards pregnancy, as if to say, "Oh, well, that's what happens!" like a teenage high school drama.
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Okay. Here's something. Pregnancy is a big thing in normal 2020. In mushroom zombie 2020, it's fucking colossal. Why? Because there's so, so, so, so many things that can go wrong without modern medical intervention and even with. Druckmann probably thinks that you can just camp out by a roadside on a blanket, grab some warm water and hold the mother's hand, possibly give her a stick to bite on for the pain, and catch it as it comes out and it's a wonderful life-affirming happening. Nope. It's a messy affair involving blood, perineal rupture, shitting yourself (the baby's head can compress the rectum and extrude a length of copper bolt while so doing), and the massive risk of infection to both mother and child - the former because it involves parts that are normally on the inside being exposed to the environment and the latter because it has no antibodies - and that's assuming it all goes to plan. If it's breech, or the cord's around the child's neck, or there's shoulder dystocia or something else getting stuck on the way out, then it's anyone's game really.

Then after all that blood and agony, there's a very real risk post-apocalypse that the child will die early on. No easily accessible antibiotics, and the world is crawling with pathogens. Newborns need to be kept warm because their surface area / volume ratio is so high compared to older children or adults. In a brave new mushroom zombie world, people with obstetric or medical skills will be at an absolute premium.

Now that would make for a really good story, actually. Ellie is pregnant but there's nobody in her locale who could help her give birth and for her child to survive. She gets a rumour that there's someone out there who can do those things and is willing to but they live miles away. She has to go on a cross-country journey, both physical and moral, to find the person only to find that he's one of the surgeons who wanted to kill her and grind up her brain for the mushroom vaccine in the first game. Can he be trusted? What is the price of his help? And as she gets more and more pregnant she gets less and less mobile and capable of doing things, so has to rely on others more and more. There's so much opportunity for character development there. As well as having a hidden counter that tracks choices, successes, and failures throughout the game and the result of these will indicate whether Ellie and her child survives or not.
 
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Honka Honka Burning Love said:
I doubt he watched Passion, He seems a bit to :neckbeard: to watch anything christan
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If Neil's parents are Jews and Passion isn't as nice to those people, the movie may have been declared treif in the home, leading to rebellion on little Neil's part. Neil also would have been around 26 when that movie came out. Which makes sense. I can picture the entry level Naughty Dog employee living in his mother's basement.

Titos said:
Hey man Vita means life, and it's only fitting the owner of a Vitas life reflects that of the Vita itself, ended.
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Problems with time and place again come into play here. The Vita came out in 2012, a year before the pandemic according to Wikipedia. There was a 20 year time skip after Sarah died, placing TLOU2 somewhere in the 2030's, pushing into the '40s now with the time that passed after that. It's one thing to find a Vita under a pile of fungus monsters and dogs, but the question is whether it will hold charge after the battery has marinated for decades. Like steroids, hormone pills, and uncomplicated pregnancies, Li-ion batteries are just lying around.
 
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UnclePhil said:
If Neil's parents are Jews and Passion isn't as nice to those people, the movie may have been declared treif in the home, leading to rebellion on little Neil's part. Neil also would have been around 26 when that movie came out. Which makes sense. I can picture the entry level Naughty Dog employee living in his mother's basement.
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At this point any time I see someone spout SJW nonsense I instantly assume they are an Atheist who wouldn't dirty themselves with Religion, The Left Wing is to good for that, they have better things to do.

Like making a game about torturing dogs to death.
 
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