Manosphere IceCat - the defender of loveshies

IceCat said:
I suggest you listen to it again. Or better yet just wait until Flossman writes up the transcript.
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Looks like you forgot your own words.You confirmed that you were probably 26 when you had a girlfriend and remember when you went to Spain and met her. You couldn't have forgotten the date you went there to find work, so stop lying to me.

IceCat said:
I'm ex-loveshy and technically incel also
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Bullshit. You said otherwise during the interview.

[Timestamped at 6 minutes exactly.]
flossman: "Well, how would you think that umm, or how do you feel being a loveshy has impacted your life?"
IceCat: "It really impacted it when I was younger, I mean it impacted it now because obviously, you know I'm not a young guy anymore."
flossman: May I ask how old you are?
IceCat: "Yeah ok, I just recently turned 32.
Flossman: "Ok."
IceCat: "Yeah."
flossman: "If it makes you feel better I'm 28, so."
IceCat: "Yeah, ok. Thats a good age, I mean I had a pretty good 28. When I was 28 I had a pretty good year. But yeah it did impact me, I mean I'm 32- currently single-I'm still single, I've been single for quite a long time. So... you know I didn't, when I was younger I didn't expect to be this age and be- still be single. But..that happened.
flossman: "Now you mentioned earlier in the thread that you've had a girlfriend before.
IceCat: "Right. Yeah that's true that I have."
flossman: (They stumble on each others words for about 3 seconds) "I'm sorry go ahead."
IceCat: "If you really wanna stretch the term, then you know I've had maybe more than one. Well maybe you know one, one is if you wanna say like real relationship- long term or whatever. Yeah I could say one I guess."
flossman: "And when did that happen? How old were you?"
IceCat: "That- actually that happened when I was 26, I think."
IceCat said:
no last gf was not 8 yrs ago, technically I could even say a few months ago
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How do you mistake 8 years for a few months? Why would you not mention this during the interview?
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You lied about not being a loveshy and not having a girlfriend 8 years ago when you were fully capable of remembering such an important year. Why?
 
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- "It really impacted it when I was younger, I mean it impacted it now because obviously, you know I'm not a young guy anymore." - cause and effect.

I.e. a young loveshy may defeat his loveshyness, however he will never get back those yrs

- ""If you really wanna stretch the term, then you know I've had maybe more than one."
 
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Fair enough, but your statement was not specific. Impacted is a word in the past tense. You already used that word when describing its impacts in the past when you were younger. When referring to the effects of loveshyness in the present tense, you would have used the word "impacts". Try to be a bit clearer so that people can understand you.

IceCat said:
- ""If you really wanna stretch the term, then you know I've had maybe more than one."
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You stated very specifically that you only had one real long term relationship. With me here? Just one.

How do you "stretch the term"? There is also the fact that you claimed that someone you dated 8 years ago never actually happened in the first place. You went into great detail talking about her and then try to claim you never dated her? That's bullshit. You also failed to mention whoever this person is from "months ago" during the interview.
 
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Wizzrobe said:
Also why are you wasting your time here on kiwifarms if you know we are just going to mock you and your stupidity?
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The universal lolcow question. I've never seen it adequately answered ever. There is some interesting brain shit going on here if any of our resident shrinks professional or armchair wanna provide some thoughts on this I'd like to hear them.
IceCat said:
I don't think women are scary
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Then you'd be perfect for my ex!
Arctic said:
Also why is everyone acting like he did some terrible thing to 4Macie? This isn't Tumblr, we don't make a thread about someone for asking "triggering" questions.
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It was just rude, we all can put our foot in our mouths but as you've pointed out this is not tumblr, 90% of the flak he got would have gone away if he'd just admitted it was a bad idea but he was curious and not really thinking.
I'm sure we would have gave him a little shit:
  • Hey icy tell us about the time that you found out the pound put your dog to sleep. Did you have the decency to bury it yourself or did you let a stranger do it so you wouldn't have to let those dead accusing eyes remind you that you were the one who left the gate open?
  • When the pastor touched you... were there ever times that you looked forward to having your prostate drained i mean it had to feel good right?
  • And so on and on an on.
I've seen little to indicate that he understands why we didn't like his question.

IceCat said:
well there's many things societies can do. Raise awareness of the phenomenon by actually acknowledging terms like 'incel' etc. make sure every mental health clinic has a DSR section for this problem, do not criminalise prostitution, many things.
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Ok I'll buy this. The kinds of mental problems guys get from dry spells appear to me to be the net result of predisposition for depression or the net result of lifestyle choices that lead to depression. Incel itself isn't a thing but sure not getting laid is a contributing factor to depression and depression can keep you from getting laid. All the incels we've met have other problems other than not getting laid but the pussy thing is the one they're beating their heads against the wall.
Lack of self sufficency, sedentary lifestyle, reclusiveness, and being surrounded by other toxic personalities seem to be running themes with loveshies. But some are super crazy and will probably never fix, like marijan or the especially nasty fuckers who are sometimes on sluthate.
 
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ChuckSlaughter said:
Ok I'll buy this. The kinds of mental problems guys get from dry spells appear to me to be the net resu8lt of predisposition for depression or the net result of lifestyle choices that lead to depression.
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I know lots of people who go through dry spells (or are still virgins well into their 20s) and get along just fine. I agree with you that sex is just physiologically good for depression and stuff, but I think you're understating the effect that social pressure to get laid has on these people.

I wonder if being primed to think of sex as the solution to all life's woes affects the physical effect you get off of it.

ChuckSlaughter said:
The universal lolcow question. I've never seen it adequately answered ever. There is some interesting brain shit going on here if any of our resident shrinks professional or armchair wanna provide some thoughts on this I'd like to hear them.
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Guy has problems and he wants to talk about them. We may be kind-of mocking and demeaning about them, but it's totally possible he doesn't have anyone in his life he's comfortable bringing this shit up with.

Also he keeps mentioning prostitution as a way for these guys to get over their inhibition and shit- have you considered sexual surrogacy or therapy? A prostitute doesn't give a shit about your weird sexual hangups unless they end with her in a ditch somewhere
 
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@DawnMachine

I wonder idly if whether part of the issue is fixating on the idea that someone else can 'complete' you and fix the things that you don't like about yourself, or more specifically somehow 'mend' your low self-esteem with the healing power of their vagina, I mean love? So if you can't get laid, the Magical Vagina Power can't 'fix' you and so you become more and more pissed off that ladies don't appreciate your need for fixin' up too, as distinct from a pure need for sex?

There's nothing wrong with Chad's self-esteem, he doesn't need any Magical Vagina Power, so it's sooooo unfaaaaaaair that he gets so much of it when even just a bit would fix all the things wrong with Incel Ian?
 
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ChuckSlaughter said:
Ok I'll buy this. The kinds of mental problems guys get from dry spells appear to me to be the net result of predisposition for depression or the net result of lifestyle choices that lead to depression. Incel itself isn't a thing but sure not getting laid is a contributing factor to depression and depression can keep you from getting laid. All the incels we've met have other problems other than not getting laid but the pussy thing is the one they're beating their heads against the wall.
Lack of self sufficency, sedentary lifestyle, reclusiveness, and being surrounded by other toxic personalities seem to be running themes with loveshies. But some are super crazy and will probably never fix, like marijan or the especially nasty fuckers who are sometimes on sluthate.
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I hate to say it but OPL surely has to be the best example of this phenomenon. He bleated for decades about being a "virgin with rage", and when he finally had sex, what happened? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. The trajectory of his life was not altered by a fractional degree.
 
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Fareal said:
@DawnMachine

I wonder idly if whether part of the issue is fixating on the idea that someone else can 'complete' you and fix the things that you don't like about yourself, or more specifically somehow 'mend' your low self-esteem with the healing power of their vagina, I mean love?
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Definitely, yeah. Not only is china a commodity to these guys, it's a pretty highly fetishized one (and not in the paraphilic sense)

Fareal said:
@DawnMachine
So if you can't get laid, the Magical Vagina Power can't 'fix' you and so you become more and more pissed off that ladies don't appreciate your need for fixin' up too, as distinct from a pure need for sex?
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I mean, wouldn't it? Obviously it won't 'complete' you or anything, but the validation of knowing someone else wants you feels pretty good. Or it did for me, at least.

The other thing that struck me is something that sephon (who has been banned, I'll try to look for the post) wrote earlier, where he basically said that he wanted the looks of a model and the personality of a typical jock. That really struck me as depressing and weird, because he's not just dehumanising the woman in this scenario, but himself as well. Sartre would have something to say about these guys.
 
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DawnMachine said:
I mean, wouldn't it? Obviously it won't 'complete' you or anything, but the validation of knowing someone else wants you feels pretty good. Or it did for me, at least.
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Oh, agreed. The thing that I am wavering on is whether they believe that random hook-ups work the same to improve your self-esteem as a committed relationship. One confirms you're sexually attractive, but the other confirms you're not an asshole. I am not ever sure which is valued more by these dudes. I suspect it may vary between dudes.
 
Fareal said:
Oh, agreed. The thing that I am wavering on is whether they believe that random hook-ups work the same to improve your self-esteem as a committed relationship. One confirms you're sexually attractive, but the other confirms you're not an asshole. I am not ever sure which is valued more by these dudes. I suspect it may vary between dudes.
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It's clearly the sexual aspect.

I mean, everybody wants to feel valued by someone else. That's probably a universal human truism. So go out and build relationships and make some close friends who will stick with you for years.
 
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Fareal said:
Oh, agreed. The thing that I am wavering on is whether they believe that random hook-ups work the same to improve your self-esteem as a committed relationship. One confirms you're sexually attractive, but the other confirms you're not an asshole. I am not ever sure which is valued more by these dudes. I suspect it may vary between dudes.
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Lots of people don't care if they're assholes (or at least never let that show). These guys obviously want to come across like that, but I think they doth protest too much.
 
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