- Joined
- Jul 7, 2015
I'm not a conservative, in the popular or the literal sense of the word. I simply agree with a number of their principles, and I'm a fellow-traveler on some of their projects.
Conservatives want to conserve the civilization and infrastructure their ancestors built up. In a tabula rasa world, so do I; it's a better approach than the progressive "we know better, tear it all down" desire. But that's a directional determination. If you believe society can collapse, you necessarily believe that they do collapse, frequently, regardless of conservative efforts. The trick is identifying when that is happening while it's happening, not after the fact, and separating out the usual generational pessimism from actual collapse.
I think I am observing an empire in the early stages of inevitable collapse, and I feel no compelling conservative instincts beyond what I can feasibly protect: myself, my family, my neighborhood. I could always be wrong, but no one's shown any evidence to contradict me.
I don't believe in school reform--the institution of public education is fucked. I could sketch you up a workable model for schools, but it's incompatible with any notion of mass schooling either side holds. Show me a society willing to fragment its indoctrination, and I'll come back.
Conservatives weren't "lazy" on education, they've been fighting tooth and nail since the 90's. And they lost. I was there with them. You want to send them back onto the battlefield. I say let them disperse, heal up, and let the enemy over-extend. Let the status quo collapse, and be ready to pick up the pieces.
This attitude is bad for society? Yes, absolutely. But we have a country of the people and by the people. If the people are decadent and destructive, the resulting nation is for that people. They get what they fucking deserve. If Obama's cult and BLM's slavery guilt-trippers wants to tell me you didn't build it, very well; I also didn't destroy it. I refuse to assume responsibility for the destructive acts of others, when I didn't encourage or trigger them.
If you want to de-poz any single institution right now, you have to fight against multiple ingrained narratives: BLM, trans rights, feminism, socialism, offensive language, equity over equality, anti-meritocracy, class warfare, and general post-modernism. I can argue against any of those individually, online or in person. I can't argue against all of them at once, and I can't fight all of them at once.
Their ideological adherents already agreed to re-enforce each other for political solidarity: observe what happened as BLM ran into Pride Month. Meanwhile, I can't get the socialism-hating libertarians to push back against the 52 genders/trans rights bullshit. I refuse to rally a small squad to stand against a horde and get wiped out, when I see no reinforcements on the horizon nor any hope for eventual victory from our defeat.
(Sargon's Lament is poignant: he just wanted to play video games. He didn't start a culture war trying to tear everything down, the war came for him. His critical mistake, and the source of his lolcow behavior, was thinking he could reverse the destruction.)
That is not being a lazy doomer, that is choosing a battlefield where I can win. You want me to fight in the Democratic strongholds, in their captured institutions, against their mobs which operate with political and press cover. No. I'll fight them when they're tired and desperate. If that takes losing a few states, having to re-build things that never should have been destroyed, too bad; that is the cost for a society that squandered what was left to it.
Choices have fucking consequences, and if society chooses to destroy itself, I'd be foolish to fight the natural order by trying to prevent the consequences.
Empire always collapses; but the people survive. Focusing on the latter isn't being a futile doomer, it's optimism for a very different future than the status quo.
I'm not a conservative either; I'm a third positionist fascist.
The gist of what you're saying is it's too late to reclaim much of anything, and that's fair. On education, conservatives probably started fighting again too late in the 90s, instead of in 1954 with Brown v. Board and never giving up on that or what came after (forced busing, Marxist infitration, etc.). McCarthy tried to warn us, but we didn't listen.