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I'm not a conservative, in the popular or the literal sense of the word. I simply agree with a number of their principles, and I'm a fellow-traveler on some of their projects.

Conservatives want to conserve the civilization and infrastructure their ancestors built up. In a tabula rasa world, so do I; it's a better approach than the progressive "we know better, tear it all down" desire. But that's a directional determination. If you believe society can collapse, you necessarily believe that they do collapse, frequently, regardless of conservative efforts. The trick is identifying when that is happening while it's happening, not after the fact, and separating out the usual generational pessimism from actual collapse.

I think I am observing an empire in the early stages of inevitable collapse, and I feel no compelling conservative instincts beyond what I can feasibly protect: myself, my family, my neighborhood. I could always be wrong, but no one's shown any evidence to contradict me.

I don't believe in school reform--the institution of public education is fucked. I could sketch you up a workable model for schools, but it's incompatible with any notion of mass schooling either side holds. Show me a society willing to fragment its indoctrination, and I'll come back.

Conservatives weren't "lazy" on education, they've been fighting tooth and nail since the 90's. And they lost. I was there with them. You want to send them back onto the battlefield. I say let them disperse, heal up, and let the enemy over-extend. Let the status quo collapse, and be ready to pick up the pieces.

This attitude is bad for society? Yes, absolutely. But we have a country of the people and by the people. If the people are decadent and destructive, the resulting nation is for that people. They get what they fucking deserve. If Obama's cult and BLM's slavery guilt-trippers wants to tell me you didn't build it, very well; I also didn't destroy it. I refuse to assume responsibility for the destructive acts of others, when I didn't encourage or trigger them.

If you want to de-poz any single institution right now, you have to fight against multiple ingrained narratives: BLM, trans rights, feminism, socialism, offensive language, equity over equality, anti-meritocracy, class warfare, and general post-modernism. I can argue against any of those individually, online or in person. I can't argue against all of them at once, and I can't fight all of them at once.

Their ideological adherents already agreed to re-enforce each other for political solidarity: observe what happened as BLM ran into Pride Month. Meanwhile, I can't get the socialism-hating libertarians to push back against the 52 genders/trans rights bullshit. I refuse to rally a small squad to stand against a horde and get wiped out, when I see no reinforcements on the horizon nor any hope for eventual victory from our defeat.

(Sargon's Lament is poignant: he just wanted to play video games. He didn't start a culture war trying to tear everything down, the war came for him. His critical mistake, and the source of his lolcow behavior, was thinking he could reverse the destruction.)

That is not being a lazy doomer, that is choosing a battlefield where I can win. You want me to fight in the Democratic strongholds, in their captured institutions, against their mobs which operate with political and press cover. No. I'll fight them when they're tired and desperate. If that takes losing a few states, having to re-build things that never should have been destroyed, too bad; that is the cost for a society that squandered what was left to it.

Choices have fucking consequences, and if society chooses to destroy itself, I'd be foolish to fight the natural order by trying to prevent the consequences.

Empire always collapses; but the people survive. Focusing on the latter isn't being a futile doomer, it's optimism for a very different future than the status quo.

I'm not a conservative either; I'm a third positionist fascist.

The gist of what you're saying is it's too late to reclaim much of anything, and that's fair. On education, conservatives probably started fighting again too late in the 90s, instead of in 1954 with Brown v. Board and never giving up on that or what came after (forced busing, Marxist infitration, etc.). McCarthy tried to warn us, but we didn't listen.
 
even if it was drugs that killed george floyd the police should arrest people in a way that wont kill them. the whole point is to bring the suspect back alive. of course it is unreasonable to expect the police to not fight back if the suspect resists arrest but george wasnt resisting. if sitting on the neck for 8 minutes is an approved technique then IMO the protesters should demand that the police reform to train new officers not to fuck up like that. instead they turned the entire thing into a protest against "systematic racism" and other stupid buzzwords.

also I cant say that the officer should be charged with a crime if he was just doing what he was trained to do.
 
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I just watched a part of that press conference on the charges they brought against the cop in Atlanta. Absolutely insanity, every cop in Atlanta should quit right now.

The guy had a huge violent criminal record (was on parole for 4 convictions), fought both cops, stole their tazer and fired it at one of the cops who immediately returned fire.

I'd bet this is going to push a lot of cops over the edge who were already considering quitting, not just in Atlantra, but all over the country in the big cites.
 
Michigan pollster: Trump’s Bible photo op caused immediate drop in support

Trump's approval ratings drop by 4%. Poll has 4% margin of error. Perhaps I'm misreading that.

This, I believe. I talked to non-political family members who were outraged when they saw the photo op, and heard the Bible wasn't even his. But they didn't know St John's had been on fire the night before, and they didn't know the protesters were cleared out as a show of force ahead of the Saturday protest.

They calmed down when I explained the context, but not everyone has a stream-archiving KF autist to change their minds back.

US policeman faces murder charge over Brooks death


Great, another not guilty verdict to trigger riots. Was there a rash of not-very-bright prosecutors being hired across the country?
 
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I just watched a part of that press conference on the charges they brought against the cop in Atlanta. Absolutely insanity, every cop in Atlanta should quit right now.

The guy had a huge violent criminal record (was on parole for 4 convictions), fought both cops, stole their tazer and fired it at one of the cops who immediately returned fire.

I'd bet this is going to push a lot of cops over the edge who were already considering quitting, not just in Atlantra, but all over the country in the big cites.
Why bother being a police officer, when you get shit on for no reason for doing your job and saving your own life? Such insanity, I can't believe this is happening now.
 
I just watched a part of that press conference on the charges they brought against the cop in Atlanta. Absolutely insanity, every cop in Atlanta should quit right now.

The guy had a huge criminal record (was on parole for 4 convictions), fought both cops, stole their tazer and fired it at one of the cops who immediately returned fire.

I'd bet this is going to push a lot of cops over the edge who were already considering quitting, not just in Atlantra, but all over the country in the big cites.

Don't quit. Move to a part of the country worth risking your life to protect. Look at the semi-literate gorillas at that press conference. That is the power structure of Atlanta. The people of that city chose that to embody them. Why would you ever put your life on the line to keep them safe? Why would you put your fate and career in the competence and good faith of them?

There is simply no reason for any white person to police these animals in their own zoo. Get a job in a human part of the country protecting Americans from them. Not them from each other. Tens of thousands of disillusioned angry men that now know exactly what they will be fighting to prevent their new homes from becoming is exactly the type of thing that can be a game changer when this reaches its inevitable climax.
 
I just watched a part of that press conference on the charges they brought against the cop in Atlanta. Absolutely insanity, every cop in Atlanta should quit right now.

The guy had a huge violent criminal record (was on parole for 4 convictions), fought both cops, stole their tazer and fired it at one of the cops who immediately returned fire.

I'd bet this is going to push a lot of cops over the edge who were already considering quitting, not just in Atlantra, but all over the country in the big cites.
This what bugs me so much about BLM. They always assume a cop is always guilty and then they push for the highest charges over some bogus. I’m not saying that there aren’t cops that deserve to be in prison, but treating all cops as guilty when a black person gets killed is pants on head exceptional. Making all police guilty isn’t accountability and anyone who thinks it is does not deserve to have police protect them.
 
Was there a rash of not-very-bright prosecutors being hired across the country?
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Paul Howard, Atlanta District Attorney
Howard is already under investigation for two sexual harassment lawsuits as well as a corruption scandal. The Georgia Bureau of Investigations recently launched an investigation into allegations that Howard pocketed funds meant for fighting gang violence in order to supplement his salary by $170,000 after his request for a salary increase was initially rebuffed by the city government. He is being accused by a former administrator and paralegal in his office of sexual harassment and misconduct, as well as 12 public disclosure violations. No wonder he is such a proponent of going soft on crime!

Well, facing these allegations, despite his six terms in office, Howard was taking no chances of losing his bid for re-election. He launched an unprecedented prosecution against six Atlanta cops, alleging they criminally assaulted two black students near a protest by dragging them out of their car for no reason and tasing them during rioting on the night of May 30. All the officers were fired and are now facing criminal charges. Howard issued arrest warrants for all six and charged four of them with aggravated assault. Five of the six are African-American.

Except, according to the lawyer for two of the cops, the video was edited, as is often the case in the war on cops. Appearing on Laura Ingraham’s show Tuesday night, Lance LoRusso, the lawyer for Ivory Streeter and Mark Gardner, two of the African-American officers fired and prosecuted, claimed the video was “edited multiple times.”

“What has been edited out is the probable cause for the arrest,” Lance LoRusso said. “The officers told the driver to move his vehicle … he refused,” the lawyer added. “They open the door and he drives away violently, almost pulling one of the officers off their feet.”

He noted that the two officers weren’t even interviewed for their side of the story. No investigation was conducted – just the one done by the media. That is how swift the war on cops has become in recent days.

These two cops are now suing the mayor and police chief for wrongful termination.
 
I don’t think that will hold up in court. In the video, Brooks attacked the police officer, grabbed his taser and then tried to shoot it at him. At most, assault or manslaughter would work as a charge. Anyone pushing for murder charges is going to be disappointed.
Not even fucking that. This is open and shut TEXTBOOK lawful use of force by police, and is VERY settled law as high as the Supreme Court.
 
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I'll be really shocked if the murderer is a white man, just saying. But, I mean, it's all about race right now so maybe they're right! It's definitely a racist murderer!
A blacked out Camaro like that is a dope boy car more often than not where I'm from.

Considering almost all homicides are committed by someone who knows the victim yeah, I'm assuming the killer is not white.
 
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https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/fulton-county-da-announces-charges-in-death-of-rayshard-brooks
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What the fuck video did he watch? Also, wasn't the full video like 40 minutes?

This is totally bizarre. Shaking off officers the moment they try to cuff you, struggling on the ground, resisting arrest, and stealing an officer's weapon is the very definition of aggressive behavior. The escalation to lethal force was justifiable.
 
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