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AnotherPleb said:
I unfortunately don't have the source off the top of my head, but I do know that MaRo lost control over the Weatherlight saga for NDA-covered reasons. Any time people ask about what he initially meant to have the story he's always avoided answering the question.
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Sounds to me like he's dodging an obvious lie because if you look at the the parts I quoted (and really, the whole dang article) he talks about "me, I, we" non stop, including what was intended from the start.

What if we went to blogatog and did a search for Sisay?
 
Drunken Fox said:
I have no clue how Stone Throwing Devils can be considered racist at all.
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Part of the Hajj, the Muslim pilgrimage to Mecca, is throwing stones at a pillar that represents Satan, if I am remembering a documentary I watched correctly. While it isn't the most recognizable thing in the world, it could definitely be seen as being offensive.

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On another note, some of these M21 cards have the ugliest borders ever. I think they're for the starter decks, but I feel gross looking at them none the less.
 
Flexo said:
Sounds to me like he's dodging an obvious lie because if you look at the the parts I quoted (and really, the whole dang article) he talks about "me, I, we" non stop, including what was intended from the start.

What if we went to blogatog and did a search for Sisay?
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I gave up on Maro's podcast years ago, but I do remember him saying a few things about losing control of his story. I think it happened when they jumped to Urza's cycle and they threw everything out when they came back in Masques. One of the key details I remember is that the Null Rod was actually suppose to be a critical element to the story.
 
emilebertin said:
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On another note, some of these M21 cards have the ugliest borders ever. I think they're for the starter decks, but I feel gross looking at them none the less.
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No. Core 2021 has a "vertical cycle" of show case cards themed around each mono colored planeswalker. Basically each PW gets their own card, a rare, an uncommon, a common, and a land card that are tied to them and the one you pasted there is part of Chandra's cycle.

Polyboros2 said:
I gave up on Maro's podcast years ago, but I do remember him saying a few things about losing control of his story. I think it happened when they jumped to Urza's cycle and they threw everything out when they came back in Masques. One of the key details I remember is that the Null Rod was actually suppose to be a critical element to the story.
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Ah, I think I vaguely recall the one you speak of. Though it sounded more like a change of the initial draft and I think stretching the story out further.

I'm still betting that MaRo is doing some historical revisionism to cover his ass.

Thiletonomics said:
Speaking of censorship, I do wonder how Tivadar's Crusade managed to dodge the first wave of censorship, given what's being done to that Goblin in the artwork.
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That is one of the ones Des called out in his followup video.
 
AnotherPleb said:
That'd require a company that didn't feel the need to make the next set be better than the last, but Zendikar does have T3feri and Wilderness Reclamation rotating out.
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And with T3feri going away, A flash deck is going to take over and be more miserable to ever play against, Star City Games just released a video of an Aggro Deck vs a Flash deck, and the Aggro deck had a hell of a time to try and win and Aggro is the sort of deck that should be good against flash since it should be able to get in under the deck.

Will standard ever be unfucked?
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When they go back to the 3 set block with 1 big set and 2 small sets, 4 big sets a year is way too many cards printed to keep standard unfucked.
 
Things have gotten so out of control with all the gay new borders and printings. I stop playing for maybe 2 years, and I come back to there being like 4 versions of all the chase Rares/Mythics. Fuck me, and I thought creating the Mythic rarity was the worst thing to happen to Magic, collecting wise. I'm not even talking about the rampant censorship and frumpily drawn women, or the absolute disaster Standard has been since fucking Kaladesh.

Simply talking about how the cost of collecting Magic cards, which was already VERY expensive, has doubled, maybe tripled with all the new gay versions. Some of the full arts look pretty great, and others look beyond re.tarded. I can't give them my money anymore, as much as I love the game. I'll just stick to playing house rules with my buddies. Nothing allowed that was printed after Onslaught. Good times.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
When they go back to the 3 set block with 1 big set and 2 small sets, 4 big sets a year is way too many cards printed to keep standard unfucked.
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Des keeps referencing to 8 sets in standards?

Hmm... if a year has 4 sets, 3 bigs and 1 core, then 2 years worth would be the total number, right?

Let's see... when I was on Arena, the sets I could build standard from were...
  1. Guilds of Ravnica
  2. Ravnica 2.3: Electric Boogaloo
  3. War of the Spark
  4. Core 2020
  5. Throne of Eldraine
  6. Theros 2
  7. Ikoria.
Shit, that is nearly 8. Wasn't the original plan a yearly or 6 month environ? So then you'd be down to 4-6 sets?

So remember that Future Future league I talked about way back earlier? There's also some theories that they were originally playtesting a standard built on those smaller selections - and WotC caving to waiting on the rotation is what fucked up all the testing.

Forget that racist doc, I want a playtester to write a tell all book about the company. They can even use my title idea: "We warned them..."
 
Flexo said:
Des keeps referencing to 8 sets in standards?

Hmm... if a year has 4 sets, 3 bigs and 1 core, then 2 years worth would be the total number, right?

Let's see... when I was on Arena, the sets I could build standard from were...
  1. Guilds of Ravnica
  2. Ravnica 2.3: Electric Boogaloo
  3. War of the Spark
  4. Core 2020
  5. Throne of Eldraine
  6. Theros 2
  7. Ikoria.
Shit, that is nearly 8. Wasn't the original plan a yearly or 6 month environ? So then you'd be down to 4-6 sets?

So remember that Future Future league I talked about way back earlier? There's also some theories that they were originally playtesting a standard built on those smaller selections - and WotC caving to waiting on the rotation is what fucked up all the testing.

Forget that racist doc, I want a playtester to write a tell all book about the company. They can even use my title idea: "We warned them..."
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Core 2020 and core 2021 will both be legal for a bit rotation doesn't happen till september.

They can even use my title idea: "We warned them..."
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Except they didn't with Oko, didn't notice Crazy CatLady Combo and Smuggler's copter got buffed at the last minute with no testing.
 
Flexo said:
Des keeps referencing to 8 sets in standards?

Hmm... if a year has 4 sets, 3 bigs and 1 core, then 2 years worth would be the total number, right?

Let's see... when I was on Arena, the sets I could build standard from were...
  1. Guilds of Ravnica
  2. Ravnica 2.3: Electric Boogaloo
  3. War of the Spark
  4. Core 2020
  5. Throne of Eldraine
  6. Theros 2
  7. Ikoria.
Shit, that is nearly 8. Wasn't the original plan a yearly or 6 month environ? So then you'd be down to 4-6 sets?

So remember that Future Future league I talked about way back earlier? There's also some theories that they were originally playtesting a standard built on those smaller selections - and WotC caving to waiting on the rotation is what fucked up all the testing.

Forget that racist doc, I want a playtester to write a tell all book about the company. They can even use my title idea: "We warned them..."
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I have a feeling that the people working at WoTC and/or for Play Design put way more work into figuring out which gender identity and race the next Planeswalker should be than actually testing the sets. Obviously that's a bit of hyperbole, but the longer this goes on I really start to wonder. They also missed the Felidar/Saheeli combo during Kaladesh and probably more I can't remember atm.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
Except they didn't with Oko, didn't notice Crazy CatLady Combo and Smuggler's copter got buffed at the last minute with no testing.
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I sometimes wonder how truthful their confessions are or if someone gets to be the scapegoat when the time comes.

Though the smuggler's copter reminds me of another time...

Skullclamp, We Hardly Knew Ye

“Bonesplitter is always great, but the surprise gem of the deck is Skullclamp — one of the first cards you should search for.” —from the “Nuts and Bolts” Fifth Dawn theme deck write-up
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Deja Vu said:
That change was made with over a month to go before the set was to be typeset, and none of us ever batted an eyelash at that card. Often when cards are changed that will impact our constructed playtesting, a memo is sent out notifying everyone about the changes and urging people to try the new incarnations of the cards. No such memo ever went around regarding “Thought Extractor”—no one thought of it as necessary.

In hindsight it should have been obvious. Part of the problem was that our views of the card were tainted by its earlier incarnations, which were very bad. The other part of the problem was that, even without old bias, the card's power is not that easy to parse at first glance.
. . .
By no means am I saying that Skullclamp's hidden power is an excuse for us missing it. We're paid professionals—we're supposed to find and fix stuff like that. But we were entrenched in our own internal metagame and this card slipped through the cracks.

So How Did Gottlieb Know It Was Broken?
We eventually figured out what we a monster we'd created during that dark period during when it was too late to change, but way before the set hit the streets. We knew there was going to be a train wreck, and all we could do was sit back and watch.
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You'd think they would have learned by now to avoid last minute changes.
 
Flexo said:
Des keeps referencing to 8 sets in standards?

Hmm... if a year has 4 sets, 3 bigs and 1 core, then 2 years worth would be the total number, right?
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2 years has always been standard but 3 big sets/1 core set only goes back to 2018:

Standard has generally been the last two years of cards but what that meant has changed

???-2007: Two large sets, two four small sets, and one core set. A large set + the following two small sets form a block generally set on the same plane with flavor and mechanics shared between them.
2009-2014: Six sets (2-4 large; rest are small), two core sets. Blocks can now be 1 large set +2 small sets or 2 large/1 small but the mechanics + flavor consistency is still there.
2015-2016: Three large sets, three small sets, no core sets. Rotation speeds up to once every six months. Blocks are now 1 large/1 small each.
2016-2018: Four large sets, four small sets, no core sets. Rotation goes back to once every year.
2018-present: Three large sets and one core set. "Blocks" and small sets are discontinued after Rivals of Ixalan in early 2018.

Draft also changed: Before blocks were discontinued a small set draft consisted of boosters from the small and large sets from that block; even Ravnica Allegiance and War of the Spark in 2019 did not do this even though they were on the same plane.

So you have more cards, a fourth high-power set, and more variability in mechanics across sets-that is going to be more difficult to control than what they did historically.

Changing draft to always a single set might also have exacerbated things since there was less need to worry about how cards interacted while drafting.

EDIT: Fixed the # of small sets in the old Standard.

Also, development of a set starts a few years before release and ends a few months-half a year before release. WotC changed from two rotations/year to one rotation/year in 2016 due to public backlash and decided to swap the Amonkhet and Kaladesh releases late in development for lore reasons. So in 2016-2017 (and maybe into 2018 ) you had sets coming out that were meant for a very different release and rotation schedule and the devs probably did not have enough time to rework things around the changes.
 
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Fervent Champion said:
It finally happened:


I honestly don't get how Stone Throwing Devils is racist.
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The only actual compelling evidence they have of these cards being racist is "Invoke Prejudice" since it was apparently made by a neo-nazi, but IMHO intent of the art really doesn't mean shit in a fucking card game. What do they think that card's going to do, murder minorities when it's played?
 
Wooz said:
The only actual compelling evidence they have of these cards being racist is "Invoke Prejudice" since it was apparently made by a neo-nazi, but IMHO intent of the art really doesn't mean shit in a fucking card game. What do they think that card's going to do, murder minorities when it's played?
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It gets even weirder if you think about it a moment.

I mean the art is evocative of the KKK obviously, and they're drawn as shadowy, dark figures wielding a battle axe - clearly conveying that they are evil. So if you remove the card, does that mean the KKK are not evil any more?

At least conceptually you could use it to teach kids. "See how this card doesn't like different colors? That's what prejudice is - people not liking other colors." Or "how did you feel when I countered your spell? awful? like I wasn't letting you play? that's how prejudice makes other people feel."

But then logic or thinking has never been a feature of witch hunts.
 
Flexo said:
It gets even weirder if you think about it a moment.

I mean the art is evocative of the KKK obviously, and they're drawn as shadowy, dark figures wielding a battle axe - clearly conveying that they are evil. So if you remove the card, does that mean the KKK are not evil any more?

At least conceptually you could use it to teach kids. "See how this card doesn't like different colors? That's what prejudice is - people not liking other colors." Or "how did you feel when I countered your spell? awful? like I wasn't letting you play? that's how prejudice makes other people feel."

But then logic or thinking has never been a feature of witch hunts.
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The card has flavor out it's ass at the very least, the fluke of it being 1488 in gatherer was the most amazing part.

Edit:

The Matrix is real and it has a sense of humor.
 
Joe Rogan commented on it.

I did laugh at how wrong the article Joe read on the issue was.
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BTW, scryfall has now fallen.
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Or at least, halfway, because you can still click "view anyway."

EDIT: Oh yeah, Tim Pool commented on it too.
 
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