The Last of Us Franchise - Because it's apparently a franchise now. This thread has been double-DMCA’d by Sony Interactive Entertainment.

elzaw said:
so are the seraphites a bunch of homophobes?
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I'm actually surprised to say I don't think they are
I mean they shown the bald Asian trans character in the trenchcoat uniform thing clearly apart of them
It'd be weird to make them hate gays but accept trans people, unless Neil is some TERF or something. Which would stir this shit storm into oblivion
 
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Because I don't have a computer to edit the meme myself, i request someone pastes @Secret Asshole's avatar on the pic of Grant Gustin posing over Oliver Queen's grave, with the tombstone switched with tlou2's boxart.
 
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I think it's more than Manny is pissed off that he just got knifed in the face despite the fact it was literally impossible for Ellie to be holding a knife since she was holding a gun and Manny grabbed her by the wrists.
 
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Secret Asshole said:
3) Revenge as a theme is a failure

There is no revenge plot for Abby in TLOU 2. It doesn't exist, because Abby isn't driven by it. She's driven to kill for her own desires. She has chosen the path of murder, vengeance is just an excuse. She isn't hunting for one man. She's not looking cross country for a person. She is just finding people named Joel and killing them. This is not revenge. It is serial murder. Her sanity further exemplifies the fact that she is CHOOSING to murder these people instead of hunting the singular person that killed her father.

In this respect, Joel doesn't matter. She's killed countless people with that name, why does it matter she kill the 'real' one? It doesn't. Its just an excuse. Joel could have easily been a random victim rather than a target. He, himself doesn't matter to Abby in the least. How many corpses has she piled up by the point she gets her 'revenge'?

5) Joel as a Prop

Joel is not a character in TLOU 2. He simply is not. He exists only to die and drive the motivation for Ellie. He is not even relevant to Abby, as he is simply just a name for her. Killing another person named Joel at this point would hold no meaning. Joel for Abby is another drop in an ocean of blood. What does it matter? Abby chose to kill and go down this path out of her own free will.

So for Abby, Joel's death serves no real point. How is this any different than the many others she's played out over the years? Because he's the 'real' one? In the end, does it matter? No. Abby is not killing for revenge. She's killing just because she wants a purpose. 'Real' Joel doesn't matter any more than the 'fake' Joel's she's killed. Therefore her true motive is not revenge, its purpose.
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See, Memento did the exact same thing. It doesn't matter to Leonard who John G is, he won't ever get any satisfaction from it. The big difference here though is that Memento is a much better written piece.
 
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Dumpster dived waifu said:
See, Memento did the exact same thing. It doesn't matter to Leonard who John G is, he won't ever get any satisfaction from it. The big difference here though is that Memento is a much better written piece.
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Also, Leonard literally has a brain disorder. In theory, he could tattoo on himself that he actually killed the guy. There is some hope for redemption there, even though the ending is that he manipulated himself into killing another John G.

Abby in theory has full mental faculties and no excuse. Also, Abby wanted to torture Joel and was upset that the group made her leave (because the group was about to be found).
 
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Dumpster dived waifu said:
See, Memento did the exact same thing. It doesn't matter to Leonard who John G is, he won't ever get any satisfaction from it. The big difference here though is that Memento is a much better written piece.
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A number of films have done the same thing but better. Fuck sake a number of games have done the same thing but better. I think Druckmann was wanting to have an ending with the same kind of resonance as the ending of The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford but didn't realize that you have to actually have a well written out story to do that. The Assassination also has an ending sequence that reflects on something most people have felt in their lives, shame, and it does it in an incredibly profound way. But in TLOU2 instead of having the main character not care all that much if they live or die because they feel deep shame and regret it feels like they want to die because they were an absolute retard.
 
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