Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Table Country]

which was even contradicted in another stupid book by Paul S. Kemp...released around the same time that had an imperial bitch officer who was a married lesbian... but who lost her wife and that made her turn evil and also start owning her own harem of loli twilek slaves or something.

Back that up, what?

 

[Wulfpack Legend]

New Doomcock video is out, take it with a grain of salt:

Star Wars Leak | The Secret Plan to Save Star Wars

A new Star Wars leak alleges that a secret plan exists to save Star Wars. Multiple sources have confirmed this plan to my source, a plan reportedly hated by ...

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[Elwood P. Dowd]

New Doomcock video is out, take it with a grain of salt:

Star Wars Leak | The Secret Plan to Save Star Wars

A new Star Wars leak alleges that a secret plan exists to save Star Wars. Multiple sources have confirmed this plan to my source, a plan reportedly hated by ...

www.youtube.com

tl;dw - Doomcock has some silly theory the ST MIGHT be put on its own timeline, but that "factions" at LFL are fighting over this issue at present. C'mon. Personal opinion: Don't waste your time, I wish I hadn't, but you do you.

Even by his standards this is ridiculous. They are never gonna declare a SW movie non-canon, never mind three of them. Or maybe four, depending on how or if Solo worked into the ST.

 

[Wulfpack Legend]

If the DT would be considered non-canon (I have my doubts) I wonder how would they handle Galaxy's Edge since the entire land is solely dedicated to the DT.

 

[Creep3r]

Back that up, what?

There was a character in that novel from 2015 called Mors who was a Moff (fuck you for making me remember her name) and who was celebrated as Star Wars Disney Wars' first LGBTQIA character who moans about how the war killed her beloved imperial wife, so now she's evil and owns lady slaves to make up for her broken heart, despite Aftermath saying Disney's Empire doesn't approve of gay people. She owns a harem of half naked twilek slaves of all ages but its okay cuz she doesn't call them slaves even though none are allowed to leave, or think... or do anything except get raped. But its not her fault she's evil, the war killed her wife! The character would probably have been considered offensive but since no one actually read the book outside of the parts with Vader and Palpatine, they just blabbed on about the first bbq whatever. I remember some initially thought Kemp was secretly taking a jab at forced diversity with the character, but aside from the book trying to paint her as sympathetic and reminding you of it, Kemp went crazy on Twitter right after and started blocking people and calling anyone who hated Wendig's trash or criticized Disney a bigot or something that needed to stop following him and vote Hillary to make amends.

New Doomcock video is out, take it with a grain of salt:

Star Wars Leak | The Secret Plan to Save Star Wars

A new Star Wars leak alleges that a secret plan exists to save Star Wars. Multiple sources have confirmed this plan to my source, a plan reportedly hated by ...

www.youtube.com

I appreciate you for sharing this, but I have almost no faith in Doomcock these days. But assuming he's telling the truth, this reeks of bad news no matter what.

If Disney Wars shit gets canned, they might bring back old canon and then rape and wokify that after having failed so badly at managing their own shit.

Or they might start a whole new canon which will alienate everyone, even their shitty nu-fans and it will fuck them hard in their stocks.

And if not, their best bet is to bring back the Canon Tiers, but one for old canon stuff, one for Disney shit and a whole new one for stuff that hasn't blown up in their face like RO, the Mandalorian and their upcoming Disney+ and video game shit, and all three canons will be continued to varying degrees so as to not alienate anybody while allowing people to dismiss Disney's Trilogy as an alternate timeline so people no longer has to deal with cucked Han, Luke, Chewie, Lando and Leia, and reserve them for the Disney drones who actually stomach that shit. But even this scenario carries the risk of fucking up old shit by wokifying it and it doesn't necessarily fix the problems that Filoni is set to bring to the Mandalorian and other Disney Wars projects, since according to shitty news sites, Disney is interested in turning SW into a cinematic universe with Filoni as the main link, which spells bad news and will doom the Mandalorian whose primary appeal was its complete disconnection from everything else.

Personally, the best option would be to just start a new canon, with a Mandalorian-inspired show without sequel or Filoni connections to kickstart it, not touch old stuff (except for allowing the publishing and finishing of unreleased/unfinished projects), ignore new shit, use old shit as being sort of canon in this new canon to have some lore to build off of and just try not to fuck it up this time. Also get rid of Kennedy, Filoni and the idiots they brought into kiss up to them. But knowing how woke and incompetent Hollywood and Disney has become, my faith in that isn't high.

If the DT would be considered non-canon (I have my doubts) I wonder how would they handle Galaxy's Edge since the entire land is solely dedicated to the DT.

As for Galaxy's Edge, all it would take is a truckload of sand, the removal of a few sequel bobbles, replacing Vi Moradi with a 3PO meet and greet and replacing BB-8 with R2-D2 to turn it into OT Tatooine and all the rides would need is to remove "Resistance" and "First Order" from the dialogue and just call them Rebellion and Empire, and replace the helmets on the First Order ride with old trooper ones, replace Ren animatronic's outfit with Vader's, Rey's hologram with one of Luke and call it the Empire ride.

Again, this is assuming Doomcock isn't full of shit, which he probably is sadly. However one thing that Doomcock might have a point on is the possibility of new canons, but that's only because Disney is apparently planning a new show set in a new timeline with a female lead and Filoni did introduce time travel via the Splendid Ap's time anus in Aladdin's Rebels. But that's a big "what if" if they ever actually do use the time anus for that or not.

 

[Miller]

New Doomcock video is out, take it with a grain of salt:

Star Wars Leak | The Secret Plan to Save Star Wars

A new Star Wars leak alleges that a secret plan exists to save Star Wars. Multiple sources have confirmed this plan to my source, a plan reportedly hated by ...

www.youtube.com

It's probably entirely bullshit.
That said, if it's true, then it's a lose-lose type of scenario. If they use the world-between-worlds then it proves that Disney Wars was a mistake and if they use it, it will turn Star Wars into a generic sci-fi franchise, since SW will have a multiverse (aka a tool that hacks use when they don't know how to write within a framework that has a definite set of rules).
I think it won't happen because Kathleen can't stop winning and the point of the Disney era is to erase or rewrite the past, not the current era.

 

[Cyril Sneer]

On a more upbeat note, Mandalorian fan-art guy just posted some more anti-Filoni pieces on his Deviantart page.

Spoiler: Large images

 

[Adamska]

So for more good or fun news (IMO), the next episode of Jedi Temple Challenge came out:

Good news is they definitely are improving somewhat with each new episode. Ahmed and Mary are getting better at working off of each other, and the editing is getting stronger. They also have shown they can and will change up the Jedi Temple set up given there's new obstacles, meaning it won't be samey.

Only thing they need to change up every now and again now is the Test of Strength sometimes. Even then, they did change up some of the receivers on one of the challenges. Story was okay this episode, still innocent with the stories, but neat nonetheless.

Definitely shows the show has promise.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Man do I wish Marks Summers was 20-30 years younger so he can co-host with Ahmed and Mary.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

ESB - Lando could literally be played by anybody. His skin color is completely irrelevant to the character. Heck his species is irrelevant. They could make him an alien. They could even change him to a girl (Landa?) and maintain the love triangle. The character nonetheless remains there (though we'd lose a lot of Billie D Williams' excellent performance). Thus when you think about it, the fact that he is black is completely incidental. The more important fact is that he was awesome and the fandom welcomed him with open arms.

Totally agree with this. Nevertheless, the character seemed tailor-made to fit Billy Dee Williams' personality and character strengths. That's what made OT-era Lando such a well-liked character.

With Solo, we get a character that reflects current-day identity politics and little else. There's nothing that makes the character notworthy or impressive outside the actor portraying him.

Also, on a more philosophical note, I wonder about Vader having apprentices.

In Clone Wars, Sidious orders Dooku to let Ventress go as an acolyte when she strong enough to be a threat. Dooku seems surprised, but at the same time, the Sith Master has to look out for his or her position of authority -- especially after Sidious killed his own master to take over the position of Master himself. As such, I can picturre him having a similar approach to Vader having acolytes: hands off if none of them prove to be threats and intervening/testing Vader's loyality if and when they do become too powerful for their own good.

Good news is they definitely are improving somewhat with each new episode. Ahmed and Mary are getting better at working off of each other, and the editing is getting stronger. They also have shown they can and will change up the Jedi Temple set up given there's new obstacles, meaning it won't be samey.

Only thing they need to change up every now and again now is the Test of Strength sometimes. Even then, they did change up some of the receivers on one of the challenges. Story was okay this episode, still innocent with the stories, but neat nonetheless.

Definitely shows the show has promise.

I agree with all your points. I also wish there was some variety with the Test of Strength, but this was a step in the right direction and a fun episode -- something I didn't think I'd be saying about a Disney-era SW thing. Let's hope nobody messes with what makes this likeable.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Nothing? Nothing at all?

Can you name any other time a character was that upset over a droid getting shot? Artoo or Threepio were shot in every film of the OT and nobody ever reacted.

And then what does he do after all that? Upload L3 into the Falcon (so then the nav computer can do the hyperspace flying) resulting in the climax.

(Damn you for making me relive that movie...)

Which says he likes that droid and nothing else, as the movie establishes he relied on that droid (IIRC). There's literally nothing implying Lando wants to fuck L3 and only weird degenerates (of the sort who think any male-male friendship = gayness) would think that had Disney not come out and said "Lando is pansexual". It's not the "chief feature of his character" by any stretch, he's still more or less the same guy he always was. It's like saying Lando's entire character in Empire Strikes Back is WHERE DA WHITE WOMEN AT because of his flirting toward Leia and how he sticks around to help her in the end.

The way you describe Lando you'd think Lando did nothing in the movie but bring up how pansexual he was in between his droid giving him handjobs. Even if Lando was always meant to be pansexual and want to fuck droids, it barely even comes up in the movie and is of minimal importance. It's like Dumbledore being gay in Harry Potter, you have to squint really hard to see that one in the actual source material (I'm excluding any other Disney Star Wars shit which has Lando, this is based on Solo alone) and make it into a plot point.

With Solo, we get a character that reflects current-day identity politics and little else. There's nothing that makes the character notworthy or impressive outside the actor portraying him.

The Solo version of Lando is just a shallow version of OT Lando and you'll have to be reaching real hard to see identity politics in there. He's not defined by his blackness or his sexuality, it's nowhere near the level of Admiral Gender Studies and her feminism in TLJ.

 

[Flexo]

Which says he likes that droid and nothing else, as the movie establishes he relied on that droid (IIRC). There's literally nothing implying Lando wants to fuck L3 and only weird degenerates (of the sort who think any male-male friendship = gayness) would think that had Disney not come out and said "Lando is pansexual". It's not the "chief feature of his character" by any stretch, he's still more or less the same guy he always was. It's like saying Lando's entire character in Empire Strikes Back is WHERE DA WHITE WOMEN AT because of his flirting toward Leia and how he sticks around to help her in the end.

The way you describe Lando you'd think Lando did nothing in the movie but bring up how pansexual he was in between his droid giving him handjobs. Even if Lando was always meant to be pansexual and want to fuck droids, it barely even comes up in the movie and is of minimal importance. It's like Dumbledore being gay in Harry Potter, you have to squint really hard to see that one in the actual source material (I'm excluding any other Disney Star Wars shit which has Lando, this is based on Solo alone) and make it into a plot point.

1) I think it's pretty clear to us all that Luke likes Artoo also, but he never got that upset over all the mishaps the droid experienced - closest was the bot getting eaten in ESB.

2) Real, actual quotes from L3 in Solo:

"My sacral-occipital circuit is sticking. You're gonna have to do that thing again later."​

AND

"I'm sure you've noticed that Lando has feelings for me."​

. . .​

Q'ira: "How would that work?"​

"It works."​

On top of the scene I posted earlier.

I mean, yes it's not over the top explicit, but it's hardly "hidden" requiring top autistic shipping goggles to uncover. It "barely" comes up in the total runtime given that Lando is a side character, but compare it to his & L3's total run time, and it's a significant chunk.

And like I said, they made it a plot point because without it, then Lando has no drive or motivation to go get L3's battle ravaged body and stick her into the Falcon - which is part of what (supposedly) allows them to escape at the end. (The climax is also pretty sloppy and poorly done.)

The Solo version of Lando is just a shallow version of OT Lando and you'll have to be reaching real hard to see identity politics in there. He's not defined by his blackness or his sexuality, it's nowhere near the level of Admiral Gender Studies and her feminism in TLJ.

Oh I'll totally agree with you here. don-Lando is very much a more shallow version, and he's definitely not up Admiral danger-hair levels. I merely disagree with you that it's a binary 1 or 0. I say it's a scale of 0-10 (possibly even using negative numbers) with Billie-Lando being a 0, Admiral danger-hair at an 8-9, and don-Lando at 4-6.

I'm also saying even that slight increase of identitarianism in don-Lando is what led him to being more shallow.

Bonus round.

 

[Flexo]

(double posting because these deserve to be seperate)
In the search for videos and documentation of the above post, I discovered this youtube channel.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLMCkJW9WBVDkx2dMINVBhw

I think everybody on this thread should go subscribe immediately.

EDIT. Sample vid.

 

[Cyril Sneer]

I'm also saying even that slight increase of identitarianism in don-Lando is what led him to being more shallow.

Dong Lover got pretty brutally (but classily) dissed by Billy Dee for sporting an "Afrocentric" hairstyle while playing the character, Mr. Williams commenting that Childish Gambino's "do" was not appropriate for the GFFA in general nor Lando in particular.

 

[Red Hood]

There's only two multiplayer modes for some baffling reasons and these are all the ships the game's getting... You only get 4 options for each campaign...
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Again with this bullshit of treating the U-Wing as an omnipresent part of the franchise or a staple of the New Republic's fleet... At least the TIE Reaper looks cool and original and isn't as whored out by comparison since it is only seen in shit like RO and Alphabet Squadron.

FFS There's Rebel ships in ROTJ which have never even been used in anything else yet couldn't even bother to include those.

No B-Wing, no Z-95, no TIE Advanced, Defender, or Phantom... hard fucking pass.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

And like I said, they made it a plot point because without it, then Lando has no drive or motivation to go get L3's battle ravaged body and stick her into the Falcon - which is part of what (supposedly) allows them to escape at the end. (The climax is also pretty sloppy and poorly done.)

For all we know, L3 is just crazy. The movie did nothing to suggest otherwise since they can't decide if L3 is just a joke or serious commentary. And I've only ever seen the movie once (and don't plan to see it again), but wasn't L3 actually very important to how the Falcon operates? If your droid is that important to the workings of things, you have plenty of reason to go grab it no matter what.

I'm not trying to defend the movie as a good movie, I'm just trying to defend it as a "not totally shit and actually tries something new and kinda succeeds" movie which means it's one of the best things produced in the Disney Star Wars era.

I'm also saying even that slight increase of identitarianism in don-Lando is what led him to being more shallow.

I don't think wanting to fuck a droid is "identitarian" in the way Disney Star Wars typically is. "Identitarian" would be like if Pansexual Disney Landonius is seen hitting on Han right after he hits on one of the brainless aliens in Disney Star Wars. Or brings up something about being black. Identitarian is like Holdo sort of shit or the even more blatant examples in the EU (like that one example about the lesbian moff and her Twilek lolis being pissed gay marriage is banned in the Empire) since to their one credit, the ST films aren't as blatantly ideological as the books (probably because the need for Chinabux). The only people who want to fuck droids are a couple of weirdos on the internet and actual pansexuals are just hipster bisexuals who like to fuck troons. Lando isn't "pansexual representation" the same way Aphra is "lesbian representation" or whatever "representation" Chuck Wendig put in his books.

 

[Flexo]

For all we know, L3 is just crazy. The movie did nothing to suggest otherwise since they can't decide if L3 is just a joke or serious commentary. And I've only ever seen the movie once (and don't plan to see it again), but wasn't L3 actually very important to how the Falcon operates? If your droid is that important to the workings of things, you have plenty of reason to go grab it no matter what.

I'm not trying to defend the movie as a good movie, I'm just trying to defend it as a "not totally shit and actually tries something new and kinda succeeds" movie which means it's one of the best things produced in the Disney Star Wars era.

I don't think wanting to fuck a droid is "identitarian" in the way Disney Star Wars typically is. "Identitarian" would be like if Pansexual Disney Landonius is seen hitting on Han right after he hits on one of the brainless aliens in Disney Star Wars. Or brings up something about being black. Identitarian is like Holdo sort of shit or the even more blatant examples in the EU (like that one example about the lesbian moff and her Twilek lolis being pissed gay marriage is banned in the Empire) since to their one credit, the ST films aren't as blatantly ideological as the books (probably because the need for Chinabux). The only people who want to fuck droids are a couple of weirdos on the internet and actual pansexuals are just hipster bisexuals who like to fuck troons. Lando isn't "pansexual representation" the same way Aphra is "lesbian representation" or whatever "representation" Chuck Wendig put in his books.

Yeah, like I said, you think it's binary, I think it's a scale. I already acknowledged that it wasn't as bad as some other parts of Disney wars. Theft may be less of a crime than murder, but that doesn't make it not a crime.

Heck by your logic of how "it could have been" we could imagine a worse, more over-the-top expression by admiral danger-hair, ergo she's not that bad.

 

[Creep3r]

In regards to L337, having Lando be in a sexual relationship with that "thing" is not only weird but stupid. She's not even something like a Bettie droid, she's a pile of walking shrapnel with exposed circuits, loose wires and rusted and oily R2 parts. Thing looks like it could cut your skin or burn you just by standing next to you.

Probably the only reason they didn't make her a Betty Bot was because of standards of beauty nonsense, despite that her being an ex-hooker droid would've served as a better motivator for her hatred of humans, but in truth she's a droid who built herself with hardly much of a past life or reason to be so pissed off at humans other than for the sake of it.

Why they couldn't just use the original Vuffi Raa who actually had a character arc and was motivated by Lando to think for himself would've made for a more compelling side story that explored "droid rights" in a more interesting and father/son like manner.

Hell they even say "Vuffi" is L337's "pet name" which just makes things weirder.

No B-Wing, no Z-95, no TIE Advanced, Defender, or Phantom... hard fucking pass.

Disney hates anything that's not an X-Wing, Y-Wing, A-Wing and most especially their U-Wing OC which they whore out anywhere they can. And only regular TIEs are allowed to exist in bulk, except for Kylo Ren's shit and the nu TIE-Reaper. A TIE Advanced has only been used once for Aladdin's Rebels and the shitty Vader comics. The TIE Defender has only been in Aladdin's Rebels and in the first EAfront back when Disney didn't have enough content, and the TIE Phantom has been all but forgotten sadly... There was supposedly a Z-95 made for Solo but it was removed because I guess they hate anything that's not an X-Wing, Y-Wing, A-Wing and U-Wing, which are the only ships allowed anywhere. Only one B-Wing appears in the nu-movies despite being a successor series of ships, but its hardly noticeable in the final fight and SW.com claims its used by Ackbar's knockoff nu-son, which is a sort of fucked up ode.

The only other place Disney has used B-Wings was in Aladdin's Rebels as an experimental craft, but instead of being created by Ackbar, it was created by some fat Ackbar donut steal of Filoni's, which is odd since Aladdin's Rebels took every opportunity it could to shove in as many OT cameos to boost its mediocre ratings regardless if it made no sense, right down to even Leia and Mon fucking Mothma who is basically a villain in nu-canon.

It was like The New Scooby Doo Movies but with Star Wars every episode.

Today Aladdin and the Gang meet Lando Calrissian! Hope he doesn't betray us today! Also featuring special guests, Tarkin and the one and only IT-O Dr. Ball who tortured Leia!

Hell they even had every background pilot from ANH jammed in there shaking hands with Aladdin because he's just that special. Surprisingly the only major OT cameo never allowed were Luke, Han, Boba, Ackbar and Jabba. Despite Ackbar being the one character who would've actually been necessary for an episode.

So SW.com gave Ackbar's nu-son the B-Wing as an ode to Ackbar being its creator, despite that being only in old canon and in nu-canon it being made by Filoni's OC who Filoni named after Ralph McQuarrie because he thought McQuarrie created the B-Wings despite that it was Bill George and Joe Johnston who designed it.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

As someone who liked Rebels (though I don't think I'd ever go as far as "love"), even I thought the non-stop cameos from established characters was retarded. I always felt that the show was at its strongest when it focused on its own characters, instead of cribbing on existing ones...even if I didn't like every new character introduced (and I certainly fucking don't).

I also didn't necessarily mind the McQuarrie reference in regards to the B-Wing. I thought that was a nice homage, even if it's not necessarily the correct one to make. And the early B-Wing prototype being piloted by my favorite character in the show gets a thumbs up from me. I don't know what public opinion on Hera is, but I really liked her. But that can easily be attributed to my unhealthy infatuation with Twi'lek characters.

She's no Alema Rar, though.

 

[Creep3r]

I thought the non-stop cameos from established characters was retarded. I always felt that the show was at its strongest when it focused on its own characters, instead of cribbing on existing ones...even if I didn't like every new character introduced (and I certainly fucking don't).

And Lucasfilm wants to do the same now with Mandalorian as they establish Filoni as the new head of Lucasfilm's MCU attempt by forming a crossover franchise that's doomed to fail, despite Mandalorian's best selling point despite its flaws being how it stuck to itself and didn't try to connect to the rest of Disney's shitty canon much outside of a few unneeded TLJ references, Solo and sequel alien cameos and that blasted Darksaber.

I also didn't necessarily mind the McQuarrie reference in regards to the B-Wing. I thought that was a nice homage, even if it's not necessarily the correct one to make

The least they could've done was have it so McQuarrie was making the ship on Ackbar's behalf in secret, especially since Disney has been doing its best to take away any importance from Ackbar. Its only made even worse after TLJ a bunch of news and geek sites started shitting on Ackbar relentlessly for his ungraceful death in TLJ while telling fans who cared about him to fuck off. And Disney's tries to "honor" him by giving him a son who reveals Ackbar was a shit dad and who only respects him for his military career.