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Imagine being the poor souls that had to animate that.
The Last of Us Franchise - Because it's apparently a franchise now. This thread has been double-DMCA’d by Sony Interactive Entertainment.
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I wouldn't be all that surprised if Abby isn't trans for all that she looks like one. One of the things floating around from the early leaks claimed that Naughty Dog made female characters less feminine to be trans friendly. Naturally given the chaotic nature of the leaks it was never confirmed or denied and quickly fell by the wayside amid all the other shit. But it's entirely possible the claim is true, and this is one of the results.
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It’s funnier when you remember all the crunch that’s been going on at Naughty Dog to finish this. Some poor asshole probably had to skip his kid’s birthday party or soccer game to make sure the thrusting animation was perfect
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Jesus fuck...I didn't think the tranny thing ended up being true...fuck damn.
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They both have the same wide-ass male model shoulders rofl.
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Worse, it was motion captured.
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0/10 troon tits, insufficiently tuberous.
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If this game doesn't bomb, there is no justice in this world.
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One thing I forgot to mention: Is the guy banging the troon Manny? That is, Neil Druckman's self-insert? If so, this shit just got at least twenty times more fucked, and twenty times more fucking hilarious.
Edit: added an image of the dude in question.
Edit: added an image of the dude in question.
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I expect this game to get shilled to the moon and back even though eveyone hates it.
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So... who's the one into trannies, Anita or Neil?
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Every fucking time I think this game can't get any worse, first it was the initial leaks, then the dogs, then it was the ending.
Then we have troon sex scene. How fucking autistic is Neil to have fucked up this badly?
Then we have troon sex scene. How fucking autistic is Neil to have fucked up this badly?
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I'm glad everyone enjoyed the first part. I'll address individual replies to my posts in other posts as these are going to be long. So for the first part, I've already dissected the narrative and why it is a complete and utter failure, and basically it erases itself. This post is going to be the second part of that; the meta narrative. Now this is what Druckman intends for the audience.
In recent years, meta-narrative analysis has been really popular. And while it isn't appropriate for everything (not everything has a meta context, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar), but for The Last of Us 2, it absolutely is. Its almost more of a meta narrative than an actual narrative. It hates you, wants you dead, wants to recognize its smart. So to understand, we have to get down to: What exactly IS The Last of Us 2? For that, we have to see what its doing in a meta context.
1) Audience Hatred - Abby
Fundamentally, 'The Last of Us 2' hates you. It doesn't matter if you're new to the game or a returning fan. It does not like you. It does not want to engage you. It insults your intelligence. It insults your sense of morality and decency. This is because Abby is portrayed as righteous even though she isn't. It is blatantly disregarding your perception because it doesn't value you. That's why even brain damaged video game reviewers feel its insulting them. Because it is.
Abby's clear evil vs. her portrayal creates an obvious cognitive dissonance that is purposeful. Druckman is telling you, flat out, to like her regardless of your own perceptions. He's not even trying to manipulate you, because Abby's evil is so ominous and overwhelming, he's hitting you in the face with a hammer, laughing as he forces you to 'enjoy' her presence.
She's not even a compelling villain. She's not a compelling protagonist. She is basically created to be an unlikeable avatar by Druckman himself to infuriate the audience. Abby exists only for Druckman. She is his character, you will like her, point blank. It isn't asking you to have an opinion, because it simply doesn't care about it.
So, for new audiences, Abby's obviously insane quest is portrayed as fine, somehow still searching for revenge, even though it is utterly impossible for audiences to identify with this character. Making Joel a prop is basically going to have no emotional resonance for anyone coming into this. With no scenes between Ellie and Joel, any new player is going to be alienated and fail to relate to Ellie in any real way. It will be primarily superficial, followed by sheer misery.
You will not even be attracted to her, as she's modeled intentionally as ugly as possible. She is unpleasant to look at, her personality is that of a serial killer and you have to play as her. There's no better proof: Neil Druckman hates you.
2) Audience Hatred - Joel
It hates you even more if you're a former player. Joel's destruction in the game physically is Druckman's meta comment to the old audience. Simply put, its: Fuck you. There's no other message here. He's telling you straight up to go fuck yourself. Even Abby's utterly insane quest to kill 'Joel' reveals something about Druckman's state of mind: He's INCREDIBLY insecure about Joel as a character. He didn't write him, he didn't create him. So he has to destroy him. Not only that, but utterly annihilate him in a fashion that will insult everyone who liked him. Because fuck them too.
Druckman makes Joel save Abby, because Abby is the character he likes. In addition to this, he makes Joel save her to twist the knife further for people. In a way, its even worse than re-writing him to have done some bad things. He's completely redeemed, but Druckman will destroy that and make him pointless. Another piece of evidence is that Joel is killed in a sea of other men named Joel, rendering him not special. It takes away from Joel and belittles him.
His grudge against Joel I would say is pathological. His death is torturous and pointless, one of many who came before him. He's never really with Ellie for any amount of time. He's never avenged and Ellie hates him at the end of the game. His annihilation in favor of Abby speaks to a deep seated inferiority complex for anything he didn't create.
It goes beyond Joel being a 'white guy'. This is clearly punishment for Joel not being written by Druckman and liked better than Abby, as he knew he would be. He even inserts himself spitting on Joel. Druckman's mental insecurities are on full display in response to Joel.
3) Audience Hatred - Ellie
Perhaps most egregiously, Ellie is completely destroyed. What was supposed to be her game was stolen from her by a character nobody asked for, and Druckman demands you like her in the place of Ellie. Its probably most discussed about in this thread at how Ellie was switched out with Abby, and of course this was on purpose.
None of this was for subverting expectations, artistic license or any of that fact. It was because: Fuck you. Neil Druckman does not like you. He hates you. And by proxy, Ellie as well. It doesn't matter her history or background. Even her motivations are just simple revenge. And for that, you are forced to commit horrible shit because you need to be 'just as bad' as Abby. Except the game forces you to do so, which basically ignores the consequences of what you're supposed to be doing. If a dog is going to tear my throat out, I'm not really going to care if I'm forced into a flashback with that dog.
Again, by proxy, anyone following Abby is complicit in her serial murder, so there is this clear disconnect with what Ellie is doing and what the game is telling you. Druckman does not care about this. Because fuck you.
Ellie is unable to kill Abby solely because Druckman does not want her to. There is literally no reason to take her down off of that cross when she tried to kill your pregnant girlfriend and knocked your teeth out. You should probably just gut her. But Ellie does not. She takes her down, then tries to drown her, gets her fingers bitten off and then puts her on a boat.
This is not some great artistic statement. It makes no sense from any narrative standpoint. It is only to make you hate Ellie and Druckman's visceral disgust for his audience. How is it possible that Ellie, after having mounds of bodies stacked up by her hand, fails to kill a helpless person on a cross, after all the lines she's crossed? It simply isn't possible. It is only by his design that Abby does not die. The game has no narrative. It has no story. It is what Druckman wants to happen, when it happens and it doesn't care about logic or reason. Because it does not care about its audience or the audience's view on events that happen.
And its because Abby is better than Ellie in Druckman's mind. Simple as that.
4) Diversity as Shield
The diversity in this game only exists to shield it from criticism. There's no reason it is here. It plays no role in the plot, it has no notable effect on characters or their actions and is barely relevant. If you look closely, these labels simply are irrelevant. They mean nothing, effect nothing and are only inserted so Druckman can have a convenient defense.
What does Ellie's homosexuality amount to, really? Her girlfriend gets pregnant, but Druckman has no problem beating her to death possibly and is only saved because she is pregnant. It could have been a friend or a companion. It doesn't matter all that much. If you're buying into the diversity narrative, you're just getting played.
These things exist in this game for Druckman to point to as a reason to why people hate it. They should be ignored. They're utterly irrelevant and positioned only to shield the creator from what he wrote.
5) The Player is Neil Druckman
There's only one person this game is made for. That's Neil Druckman himself. In the end, this is what it comes down to. This is a game by Neil Druckman, for Neil Druckman. Its not for anyone else. I asked in the beginning: What is 'The Last of Us 2'? The answer is it is a 100 million dollar vanity project. That's all this game is. It is to revel in the greatness of Neil Druckman. His characters are better, his story is better, everything is better. It is designed for him. He is the one to play this game at the end. Its the one he wanted to play.
Its why the studio left, its why he had to outsource. This was not a collaborative effort. This was a vanity project built on somebody else's dime. There is no audience for this game besides one person. Its not for you, its not for me, its not for fans, its not for people who play games, its not for progressives. It is only for Neil Druckman and you will pay for that privilege.
In short, the game hates you. No matter who you are. It is a 100 million dollar title telling you to go fuck yourself. It is singularly, the worst written, most pathetic excuse for a piece of art I've ever seen for this budget. Its the definition of a vanity project.
So that basically sums up my tear down of TLOU 2. Barring any further developments, I think I've broken it down pretty consciously.
In short, don't buy this game unless you like some patchouli smelling faggot telling you to go fuck yourself and then spitting in your face.
In recent years, meta-narrative analysis has been really popular. And while it isn't appropriate for everything (not everything has a meta context, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar), but for The Last of Us 2, it absolutely is. Its almost more of a meta narrative than an actual narrative. It hates you, wants you dead, wants to recognize its smart. So to understand, we have to get down to: What exactly IS The Last of Us 2? For that, we have to see what its doing in a meta context.
1) Audience Hatred - Abby
Fundamentally, 'The Last of Us 2' hates you. It doesn't matter if you're new to the game or a returning fan. It does not like you. It does not want to engage you. It insults your intelligence. It insults your sense of morality and decency. This is because Abby is portrayed as righteous even though she isn't. It is blatantly disregarding your perception because it doesn't value you. That's why even brain damaged video game reviewers feel its insulting them. Because it is.
Abby's clear evil vs. her portrayal creates an obvious cognitive dissonance that is purposeful. Druckman is telling you, flat out, to like her regardless of your own perceptions. He's not even trying to manipulate you, because Abby's evil is so ominous and overwhelming, he's hitting you in the face with a hammer, laughing as he forces you to 'enjoy' her presence.
She's not even a compelling villain. She's not a compelling protagonist. She is basically created to be an unlikeable avatar by Druckman himself to infuriate the audience. Abby exists only for Druckman. She is his character, you will like her, point blank. It isn't asking you to have an opinion, because it simply doesn't care about it.
So, for new audiences, Abby's obviously insane quest is portrayed as fine, somehow still searching for revenge, even though it is utterly impossible for audiences to identify with this character. Making Joel a prop is basically going to have no emotional resonance for anyone coming into this. With no scenes between Ellie and Joel, any new player is going to be alienated and fail to relate to Ellie in any real way. It will be primarily superficial, followed by sheer misery.
You will not even be attracted to her, as she's modeled intentionally as ugly as possible. She is unpleasant to look at, her personality is that of a serial killer and you have to play as her. There's no better proof: Neil Druckman hates you.
2) Audience Hatred - Joel
It hates you even more if you're a former player. Joel's destruction in the game physically is Druckman's meta comment to the old audience. Simply put, its: Fuck you. There's no other message here. He's telling you straight up to go fuck yourself. Even Abby's utterly insane quest to kill 'Joel' reveals something about Druckman's state of mind: He's INCREDIBLY insecure about Joel as a character. He didn't write him, he didn't create him. So he has to destroy him. Not only that, but utterly annihilate him in a fashion that will insult everyone who liked him. Because fuck them too.
Druckman makes Joel save Abby, because Abby is the character he likes. In addition to this, he makes Joel save her to twist the knife further for people. In a way, its even worse than re-writing him to have done some bad things. He's completely redeemed, but Druckman will destroy that and make him pointless. Another piece of evidence is that Joel is killed in a sea of other men named Joel, rendering him not special. It takes away from Joel and belittles him.
His grudge against Joel I would say is pathological. His death is torturous and pointless, one of many who came before him. He's never really with Ellie for any amount of time. He's never avenged and Ellie hates him at the end of the game. His annihilation in favor of Abby speaks to a deep seated inferiority complex for anything he didn't create.
It goes beyond Joel being a 'white guy'. This is clearly punishment for Joel not being written by Druckman and liked better than Abby, as he knew he would be. He even inserts himself spitting on Joel. Druckman's mental insecurities are on full display in response to Joel.
3) Audience Hatred - Ellie
Perhaps most egregiously, Ellie is completely destroyed. What was supposed to be her game was stolen from her by a character nobody asked for, and Druckman demands you like her in the place of Ellie. Its probably most discussed about in this thread at how Ellie was switched out with Abby, and of course this was on purpose.
None of this was for subverting expectations, artistic license or any of that fact. It was because: Fuck you. Neil Druckman does not like you. He hates you. And by proxy, Ellie as well. It doesn't matter her history or background. Even her motivations are just simple revenge. And for that, you are forced to commit horrible shit because you need to be 'just as bad' as Abby. Except the game forces you to do so, which basically ignores the consequences of what you're supposed to be doing. If a dog is going to tear my throat out, I'm not really going to care if I'm forced into a flashback with that dog.
Again, by proxy, anyone following Abby is complicit in her serial murder, so there is this clear disconnect with what Ellie is doing and what the game is telling you. Druckman does not care about this. Because fuck you.
Ellie is unable to kill Abby solely because Druckman does not want her to. There is literally no reason to take her down off of that cross when she tried to kill your pregnant girlfriend and knocked your teeth out. You should probably just gut her. But Ellie does not. She takes her down, then tries to drown her, gets her fingers bitten off and then puts her on a boat.
This is not some great artistic statement. It makes no sense from any narrative standpoint. It is only to make you hate Ellie and Druckman's visceral disgust for his audience. How is it possible that Ellie, after having mounds of bodies stacked up by her hand, fails to kill a helpless person on a cross, after all the lines she's crossed? It simply isn't possible. It is only by his design that Abby does not die. The game has no narrative. It has no story. It is what Druckman wants to happen, when it happens and it doesn't care about logic or reason. Because it does not care about its audience or the audience's view on events that happen.
And its because Abby is better than Ellie in Druckman's mind. Simple as that.
4) Diversity as Shield
The diversity in this game only exists to shield it from criticism. There's no reason it is here. It plays no role in the plot, it has no notable effect on characters or their actions and is barely relevant. If you look closely, these labels simply are irrelevant. They mean nothing, effect nothing and are only inserted so Druckman can have a convenient defense.
What does Ellie's homosexuality amount to, really? Her girlfriend gets pregnant, but Druckman has no problem beating her to death possibly and is only saved because she is pregnant. It could have been a friend or a companion. It doesn't matter all that much. If you're buying into the diversity narrative, you're just getting played.
These things exist in this game for Druckman to point to as a reason to why people hate it. They should be ignored. They're utterly irrelevant and positioned only to shield the creator from what he wrote.
5) The Player is Neil Druckman
There's only one person this game is made for. That's Neil Druckman himself. In the end, this is what it comes down to. This is a game by Neil Druckman, for Neil Druckman. Its not for anyone else. I asked in the beginning: What is 'The Last of Us 2'? The answer is it is a 100 million dollar vanity project. That's all this game is. It is to revel in the greatness of Neil Druckman. His characters are better, his story is better, everything is better. It is designed for him. He is the one to play this game at the end. Its the one he wanted to play.
Its why the studio left, its why he had to outsource. This was not a collaborative effort. This was a vanity project built on somebody else's dime. There is no audience for this game besides one person. Its not for you, its not for me, its not for fans, its not for people who play games, its not for progressives. It is only for Neil Druckman and you will pay for that privilege.
In short, the game hates you. No matter who you are. It is a 100 million dollar title telling you to go fuck yourself. It is singularly, the worst written, most pathetic excuse for a piece of art I've ever seen for this budget. Its the definition of a vanity project.
So that basically sums up my tear down of TLOU 2. Barring any further developments, I think I've broken it down pretty consciously.
In short, don't buy this game unless you like some patchouli smelling faggot telling you to go fuck yourself and then spitting in your face.
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But she identifies as a woman..so those are woman's tits.
ALSO WHY IS THERE A SEX SCENE IN THIS GAME AT ALL? We don't need sex scenes outside of Hentai games.
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This is why I'm convinced this isn't the case of Abby being trans but more a case of breasts equal toxic masculinity.
If you are going to be a progressive LGBTQ+ game, why would you make your trans characters as ugly as possible? If anything, if Abby was trans, I would expect her to look MORE feminine, the same way we see trans people get giant bolt-ons to over compensate.
The fact that Abby is so ugly looking either means (1) she is cisgender or (2) she started off as a male character but changed late in development.
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Yes
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Both.
Edit: Wow, double ninjaed.
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