2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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FunPosting101 said:
I'll join the chorus of people saying not to trust the polls. I do so because firstly it's June, so the likely voter screenings haven't happened yet, and secondly, polls that just say "welp Biden has a lead, herp derp." without going into things like the enthusiasm gap, the fact that Trump's voters are actually voting for him, and Biden's are voting for Not Trump, the outcomes of most of the special elections this year(they went GOP, for anyone who didn't know), and finally Biden's strategy of neglecting/ignoring hispanic voters and trying to get older white people in the suburbs to vote for him are all indicators that Biden's campaign is actually not doing as well as just looking at the polls would have you believe.

The above doesn't even get into various possible problems with the polls either, I've heard some things about a lot of the polls assuming that the Democrats are going to get high turnout this year for example, which based on all the stuff above is something I find highly doubtful. Then you have the usual problem of oversampling democrats at the expense of republicans, plus the issue that a lot of the state polls so far have a sample size under 1000 or so (which if I remember right is bad for getting actual accurate statistics), and really at this point all I can say further is don't trust the polls, and get out and vote, especially if you live in a swing state or a leans red/blue state.
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I also think there's a lot to read into the tea leaves of Trump getting massive turnout for the primaries where there's no real reason to even bother.
 
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XYZpdq said:
I also think there's a lot to read into the tea leaves of Trump getting massive turnout for the primaries where there's no real reason to even bother.
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Absolutely, I forgot to mention that. Also, there was some other poll(that doesn't get discussed much for some reason)showing that while Biden had something like 80 to 85 percent support among the black population, to Trump's 8 percent, there was also another 10 percent or so of the black population that were still undecided about voting in the election at all. Maybe that changes as we get closer to the election, but I doubt most of the undecided group will be voting for Biden, even if most of them don't vote for Trump either. Which is yet another problem for Biden's campaign, honestly.
 
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Jarolleon said:
That might work if he makes liberal use of the causal fallacy, just blame all of the crazy shit that happened in the past 4 years on Trump, and hope people are nostalgic for the "tranquil" and "scandal-free"Obama years. It would backfire if independents saw this subtle act of nationwide extortion for what it was though. No nationwide chimpouts under Obama, obviously it's just Trump riling them up with his racism or some shit.
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You're forgetting there was riots under Obama too.

Speaking of which, a great attack ad would be to use the 2015 Baltimore mayor's quote "give them space to destroy". Use it to refer to decades of democrat failure. Have the media fight it by pointing out that it's years old, once again accidentally underlining Trump's point.
 
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Professor Dr Mao said:
At this point I’ll cast a vote for the accelerationist candidate. Undecided who makes a better one. maybe Biden? Quite fond of him pissing off the working trump supporters and potentially forcing them to take action. the left are limp dicked and will do a whole lot of nothing. idk the president should be taken less serious than the mass movements being organized in the US atm.
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Trump is arguably the accelerationist candidate but for not the typical reasons.

No one expected the culture war or the mass hysteria cranked up to 11 so blatantly by establishment groups, but here we are. They know that 2020 matters for the survival of their plans, and literally every dirty trick is being used in hopes of dislodging Trump, even if society isn't ready for them or if they irreversibly damage trusted institutions in the process.

With Biden, I could actually see things cooling down and returning to an Obama-era slow boil as the establishment feels less threatened and pulls away its campaigns.

Biden is also too unthreatening culture-wise, while US conservatives are still too comfortable and follow the rules to a fault- that limits their course of action. You'd get at most a few more lone wolves and federal land occupations at most while Democrat entrenchment in the FBI will inevitably kill off any further chances for larger-scale action (like what happened with Obama's IRS).

Conversely, Trump has been marketed as the Great Shaitan to the leftists, and they see this as a life-or-death situation- you’d get a better boogaloo from them IMO.
 
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Professor Dr Mao said:
dk joggers overwhelmingly support Biden and not Sanders, realistically it’s bernouts and DSA fags who want the gibs.
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Bernie lost support for the black vote when he refused to give reparations to them. An ongoing trend right now is no reparations equals no vote. Jason Black summed it up best by saying "cut the damn check!"
 
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UntimelyDhelmise said:
What are the chances they'll try to assassinate Trump if he wins the election, and what will happen if they do kill him off? With how unbelievably deranged the leftist regime has gotten, it wouldn't shock me if it comes to that last resort.
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Highly optimistic.

Few have tried.
None have succeeded.
 
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Pretty sure the polling is extra fake this year to grift PredictIt.
I don’t think that Trump is going to landslide (I *hope* he does, for the sake of our country), but given how incredibly dumb the Dems have played this year, I assume he’s been quiet for the past few days to contrast to when he starts actually doing things during his campaign.

When he does, the leftists are going to post deflection (it’s only to win hearts and minds for the election), denials (he’s actually doing less than Muh Obama), and projection (if he really cared, he’d eliminate coronavirus and police), but, well...

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The way I see it, Trump has the advantage.

Trump has:
>Highly motivated, fire-up base
>Moderates angered/scared by the left's current insanity (riots, kavanaugh, impeachment)
>General anger/mistrust of China
>Recovering economy despite the WuFlu Seppuku
>Incumbent advantage
>Low motivation/ideological infighting by the leftist Ouroboros
>A third-party candidate with more potential to siphon votes off Biden than him

Biden has:
>Media shilling
>Ability to blame Trump for COVID (Not that I agree)
>Voter Fraud

From this alone if I had to bet money I would bet Trump. I want Trump to win. While a part of the Libertarian in me wants to vote for Jo Jorgensen, I will be voting for Trump.
That being said I could be dead fucking wrong and most Americans blame Trump for COVID, race riots, China, and truly want what Biden has to offer.

The real X factor here is will Biden make it to election day?

The Pink Panther said:
Highly optimistic.

Few have tried.
None have succeeded.
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A bunch claim they want to though: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...mp-faces-same-number-threats-obama/102400210/

IIRC to date both presidents have had 3 actual attempts, though Trump is only in his first term so I imagine a second Trump victory would send some RightSideofHistory(TM) and DecentHumanBeings(TM) into desperation.
 
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Fanatical Pragmatist said:
The way I see it, Trump has the advantage.

Trump has:
>Highly motivated, fire-up base
>Moderates angered/scared by the left's current insanity (riots, kavanaugh, impeachment)
>General anger/mistrust of China
>Recovering economy despite the WuFlu Seppuku
>Incumbent advantage
>Low motivation/ideological infighting by the leftist Ouroboros
>A third-party candidate with more potential to siphon votes off Biden than him

Biden has:
>Media shilling
>Ability to blame Trump for COVID (Not that I agree)
>Voter Fraud
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I'd toss onto Biden's pile establishment support as well, which means official support from their networks, activists, insiders, think-tanks, as well as the DNC- the latter of which will no doubt pull strings at the state and city levels, as the BLM and coronavirus issues demonstrate.

Leftists are a relatively contained minority who don't vote anyways, but I'm more interested about the larger contingent of Liberal-Moderate-Conservative normies who 'Disapprove of Trump'. How many of them just sort of don't like Trump, and how many are the TDS-inflicted deranged? The former can be peeled away, the latter are hopelessly lost.

Furthermore, I wouldn't underestimate the first or the third advantages for Biden. The first was able to accelerate the progressive social media takeover, and cause the BLM mass hysteria and the coronavirus lockdown, which damaged Trump's chances, while the latter helped the Democrats gain the House in 2018.

People are still not paying attention to the election at this point, and economic recovery can be damaged by coronavirus fearmongering- it's going to be a very long summer of narratives, and if we enter a second lockdown, Trump's chances become significantly harder, IMO.
 
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Made In China said:
I like how shortly before 2016 everyone thought it was the end of the Republican party, then in 2019 Kiwifarms thought it was the end of the Democratic party, now in 2020 everyone thinks it's the end of the Republican party again.
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Everyone's always optimistic about the demise of their enemies,
 
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Made In China said:
I like how shortly before 2016 everyone thought it was the end of the Republican party, then in 2019 Kiwifarms thought it was the end of the Democratic party, now in 2020 everyone thinks it's the end of the Republican party again.
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The only people who think that the outcome of a single election is somehow the end of a political party are terminal pessimists(or optimists, depending on your perspective on said party) and the blatantly uninformed/misinformed. I stand by my assertion that Trump is probably going to win barring something like him having a heart attack, the sideways-vagina virus mutating into a much more lethal and virulent form, the ass completely falling out of the economy for some ridiculous reason, etc, but that doesn't mean that I think the democratic party is finished either.

Odds are that the dems will reform after their likely loss this year and find some means of being electorally viable. Even if they don't, the US will still have a left-leaning party, it will just be called something else.
 
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FunPosting101 said:
The only people who think that the outcome of a single election is somehow the end of a political party are terminal pessimists(or optimists, depending on your perspective on said party) and the blatantly uninformed/misinformed.
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I don't think that the Dems will just go away the day after the election solely because they lose 2020. But the fact that they will have lost two in a row to Trump, especially the last speaks volumes about the health of their party.

The bar for the Dems to win 2020 could not be lower. All they have to do is appear to not be crazy. The fact that not only can they not stop being crazy, they can't even fake not being crazy says everything.

The left is in full French Revolution mode. The recriminations and the infighting after four more years of Trump will probably leave them even more fractured on this date in 2024 than today in 2020.

And they have no political talent in the pipeline. If you look at the GOP side, there are several credible candidates for 2024. Pence, Haley, Tim Scott, Rick Scott, Cruz, Cotton, Hawley, De Santis, Noem, Trump Jr. Who's gonna be running for the Dems? Buttigieg? AOC? Newsome? Cuomo? They have nothing. I've said this before, but the Dems are no closer now to finding a successor to Obama than they were the day they nominated him in 2008.

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Odds are that the dems will reform after their likely loss this year and find some means of being electorally viable. Even if they don't, the US will still have a left-leaning party, it will just be called something else.
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I see people on this board frequently talk about the Dems reforming, which I am assuming they mean ditch the far left.

And like I do every time, I ask, how is that supposed to work? Do you see those losers playing anarchists in Seattle? How exactly are the Dems going to get rid of them? You can't stop them from being Democrats. They're gonna keep holding the rest of the party hostage like they are that Mayor. They're gonna keep primarying establishment Dems with far left types like AOC and the Squad. I really don't think 'Shut up and be quiet' is going to work with them. They're not gonna just say, 'Welp, okay. I give up on bringing about Martxist utopia. I guess I better go get a real job now!' AOC is not going back to her bartending job willingly. They will always be in the left most party, which is currently the Dems. These are true believers. They're not going away. And the GOP will continue to point at them and make them the face of their party.

So tell me, how exactly is ditching the far left supposed to work?
 
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