The Last of Us Franchise - Because it's apparently a franchise now. This thread has been double-DMCA’d by Sony Interactive Entertainment.

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Least Concern said:
Jim Sterling releases his take.


The tl;dw is "the story of this thing isn't that great. Stop comparing it to Schindler's List FFS. (Oh and also have I mentioned crunch is bad recently? Yes? Well, I'll bring it up again anyway.)"
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Jim's a fat faggot cow who should've died instead of TB and is hung up on the old non-controversy of crunch instead of how bad the story is.... buuuut he's bashing the game so I'll take what I can get
 
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Welp, I just had a bit of an online ding-dong on Faceache with some bugman from Northern Ireland about this game. (He really was a bugman. He ticked all the boxes. Slavish devotion to media properties, soy / hipster beard, pictures of him playing acoustic guitar, Ed Sheeran and Disney Star Wars and capeshit among his likes, etc.) He reckoned that people were only panning the game because they were immature little children who the game was too mature for because it was bleak and realistic.

This is possibly the stupidest defence of the game I've seen in person. Adults like things with character development and engaging plots. "It's good because it's grimdark" is what edgy teenagers come out with. I remember as a teenager trying to get into a girl's undercrackers that I'd just been to see 8 Mile with (a shit film, btw) by lying about "gritty reality." It didn't work.

Also, this from Nerdrotic where he reckons that Joel's golfing accident and the game coming out just before Fathers' Day is symptomatic of the entertainment industry's daddy issues because they want to demolish families.


I have to say, he has a point about how daddy issues seems to be compulsory in Hollywood to the point at which it's just lazy writing. But to claim that a stronk wahmen beating up Ellie's dad with a 9 iron (golf being the sport of dads) is a deliberate symbolism and attack on fatherhood in general is a bit far fetched because it affords Druckmann a level of insight that he clearly doesn't have.

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GayestFurryTrash said:
The second game is juggling so many characters and narrative threads it gets lost and fucks itself to death. You have Abby's revenge plot which is resolved when she goes all PGA tour on Joel. Then you have Ellie's revenge. You have the romantic subplot with her and Dina. You have Dina's pregnancy and the fact she's not telling Jesse about it. You have Jesse who just wants to help his friends. You have Tommy off on his own adventure and Ellie trying to find him to join forces in Seattle. You have Abby, Owen and Mel in a love triangle. You have Abby betraying everyone. You have Owen wanting to leave the WLF to go find Fireflies. You have the war between the WLF and the Scars. You have Transboy betraying the scars by being trans and then killing a bunch of them. You have transboy's sister's arm needing to be chopped off. You have Abby deciding to even help these two for what seems to be no reason, she says it's because they saved her life but the first person you saw do that she had no problem torturing them to death so it seems hollow. You have transboy trying to convince his super religious mom. You have Abby and sister trying to save him, and getting the middle of a war to do so. Then you have Abby finding out that Ellie killed her friends and going for revenge. And then you have Abby and transboy taking Owen's goals to find fireflies then you have Ellie's final revenge plot.

Writing that out really shows how much of a mess this game was for its narrative.
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Once again, this comes over as being symptomatic of multiple layers of rewrites. The game took 7 years to develop. We already know that Druckmann heavily retooled everything because of the delays and endless crunch after he jettisoned Amy Hennig. Sounds to me like it went through multiple cycles of having large proportions of stuff binned after a lot of work on it had been done but too much work that they could just trash it and start again. The plot tumours confirm my suspicion.
 
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PinkRibbonScars said:
Nah, Aris enabled all the "Accessbiliy options" in that clip. There's an option where the AI lose sight of you when you go prone. It's basically a built in cheat mode for the handicapped.
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How the flying fuck is a cheat mode an accessibility option? And how did that get past playtesting without someone pointing out how patronizing that is?

Now, I'm going to try to be fair, my main exposure to "disabled gamers" is a dude in the fighting game community that plays competitively in spite of his hands being useless. But I'd feel pretty insulted if an accessibility option was just making the game dirt-easy.
 
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Haramburger said:
Jim's a fat faggot cow who should've died instead of TB and is hung up on the old non-controversy of crunch instead of how bad the story is.... buuuut he's bashing the game so I'll take what I can get
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Every time I watch Jim Sterling, I usually agree with his initial premise but then he goes off and says a bunch of dumb shit that makes watching him unbearable. Why do you have a career based off video games when you don't think they can't have the same "artistic merit" as movies and compare the entirety of the industry to bobble-heads? and for what reason? because they're made to be entertaining and they sell merch?
 
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Atomsk said:
Every time I watch Jim Sterling, I usually agree with his initial premise but then he goes off and says a bunch of dumb shit that makes watching him unbearable. Why do you have a career based off video games when you don't think they can't have the same "artistic merit" as movies and compare the entirety of the industry to bobble-heads? and for what reason? because they're made to be entertaining and they sell merch?
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Ugh. This one is so frustrating. He almost gets it, that the endless crunch and the shit state of Last of Us 2's plot spring from the same hideous source, and that source is Druckmann's ego. He won't be satisfied unless it's 100% his own pure artistic vision, and fuck anyone else.

It also seems like he's loath to criticise the game's plot because he doesn't want to be seen as an -ist or -phobe by his SJW mates. So he goes back onto crunch because that's a "safe" topic.
 
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Atomsk said:
Every time I watch Jim Sterling, I usually agree with his initial premise but then he goes off and says a bunch of dumb shit that makes watching him unbearable. Why do you have a career based off video games when you don't think they can't have the same "artistic merit" as movies and compare the entirety of the industry to bobble-heads? and for what reason? because they're made to be entertaining and they sell merch?
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Sterling has long raised the question of why does he even bother with video games as he clearly doesn't get much joy from it.
 
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For context, it's a show-ending catchphrase for three stoners who discuss the paranormal and serial killers on Spotify with a critical, mocking slant featuring Gary from Your Pretty Face is Going to Hell. I share this because it's an avenue where I wouldn't normally see normies discussing games, and their opinions sicken me:

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These are the mongoloids driving sales, kiwis. Things aren't ever going to get better.
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Atomsk said:
I just got to a scene where some dude shot a horse in the head and it just dropped dead instantly. Maybe I'm fucking stupid but isn't it much harder than that to kill such a large animal? Like no doubt it'd die eventually but just an instant death? I don't think so.
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There was this video like ~8 years ago of a farmer calling animal rights activists/liberals faggots and executing his horse. It looked like a 1911, so 9mm or .45, and right as the bullet entered the horse's head it jumped up in shock for a split second and then fell down to the ground.

Horses are super fragile for how big and strong they are, that's why we make them go faster by slapping, whipping and/or stabbing their asses.
 
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