US In countries keeping the coronavirus at bay, experts watch U.S. case numbers with alarm

In countries keeping the coronavirus at bay, experts watch U.S. case numbers with alarm
By
Rick Noack
June 19, 2020 at 10:38 a.m. GMT-4
As coronavirus cases surge in the U.S. South and West, health experts in countries with falling case numbers are watching with a growing sense of alarm and disbelief, with many wondering why virus-stricken U.S. states continue to reopen and why the advice of scientists is often ignored.

“It really does feel like the U.S. has given up,” said Siouxsie Wiles, an infectious-diseases specialist at the University of Auckland in New Zealand — a country that has confirmed only three new cases over the past three weeks and where citizens have now largely returned to their pre-coronavirus routines.
“I can’t imagine what it must be like having to go to work knowing it’s unsafe,” Wiles said of the U.S.-wide economic reopening. “It’s hard to see how this ends. There are just going to be more and more people infected, and more and more deaths. It’s heartbreaking.”

China’s actions over the past week stand in stark contrast to those of the United States. In the wake of a new cluster of more than 150 new cases that emerged in Beijing, authorities sealed off neighborhoods, launched a mass testing campaign and imposed travel restrictions.

Meanwhile, President Trump maintains that the United States will not shut down a second time, although a surge in cases has persuaded governors in some states, including Arizona, to back off their opposition to mandatory face coverings in public.
Commentators and experts in Europe, where cases have continued to decline, voiced concerns over the state of the U.S. response. A headline on the website of Germany’s public broadcaster read: “Has the U.S. given up its fight against coronavirus?” Switzerland’s conservative Neue Zürcher Zeitung newspaper concluded, “U.S. increasingly accepts rising covid-19 numbers.”

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“The only thing one can say with certainty: There’s nothing surprising about this development,” a journalist wrote in the paper, referring to crowded U.S. beaches and pools during Memorial Day weekend in May.

Some European health experts fear that the rising U.S. caseloads are rooted in a White House response that has at times deviated from the conclusions of leading scientists.
“Many scientists appeared to have reached an adequate assessment of the situation early on [in the United States], but this didn’t translate into a political action plan,” said Thomas Gerlinger, a professor of health sciences at the University of Bielefeld in Germany. For instance, it took a long time for the United States to ramp up testing capacity.
Whereas the U.S. response to the crisis has at times appeared disconnected from American scientists’ publicly available findings, U.S. researchers’ conclusions informed the actions of foreign governments.

“A large portion of [Germany’s] measures that proved effective was based on studies by leading U.S. research institutes,” said Karl Lauterbach, a Harvard-educated epidemiologist who is a member of the German parliament for the Social Democrats, who are part of the coalition government. Lauterbach advised the German parliament and the government during the pandemic.

Despite its far older population, Germany has confirmed fewer than 9,000 coronavirus-linked deaths, compared with almost 120,000 in the United States. (Germany has about one-fourth of the United States’ population.)
Lauterbach cited in particular the work of Marc Lipsitch, a professor of epidemiology at Harvard University, whose research with colleagues recently said that forms of social distancing may have to remain in place into 2022. Lipsitch’s work, Lauterbach said, helped him to convince German Vice Chancellor Olaf Scholz that the pandemic will be “the new normal” for the time being, and it impacted German officials’ thinking on how long their strategy should be in place.

Regarding the effectiveness of face masks, Lauterbach added, “we almost entirely relied on U.S. studies.” Germany was among the first major European countries to make face masks mandatory on public transport and in supermarkets.

Lipsitch said Thursday that he was not previously aware of the impact of his research on German decision-making, but he added that he has spoken to representatives of several other foreign governments in recent weeks, including Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and officials or advisers from Canada, New Zealand and South Korea.
Even though Lipsitch cautioned it was impossible for him to say how or if his conversations influenced foreign governments’ thinking, he credited the overall European response as “science-based and a sincere effort to find out what experts in the field believe is a range of possible scenarios and consequences of decisions.”

Lipsitch said he presented some of his research to a White House group in the early stages of the U.S. outbreak but said the Trump administration’s response to the pandemic did not reflect his conclusions. “I think they have cherry-picked models that at each point looked the most rosy, and fundamentally not engaged with the magnitude of the problem,” he said.

Lipsitch said Thursday that he was not previously aware of the impact of his research on German decision-making, but he added that he has spoken to representatives of several other foreign governments in recent weeks, including Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and officials or advisers from Canada, New Zealand and South Korea.
Even though Lipsitch cautioned it was impossible for him to say how or if his conversations influenced foreign governments’ thinking, he credited the overall European response as “science-based and a sincere effort to find out what experts in the field believe is a range of possible scenarios and consequences of decisions.”

Lipsitch said he presented some of his research to a White House group in the early stages of the U.S. outbreak but said the Trump administration’s response to the pandemic did not reflect his conclusions. “I think they have cherry-picked models that at each point looked the most rosy, and fundamentally not engaged with the magnitude of the problem,” he said.

Meanwhile, several U.S. states have reopened despite rising case numbers.
“I don’t understand that logic,” said Reinhard Busse, a health-care management professor at the Technical University of Berlin.

Lauterbach said that even though most Germans disapproved of Trump before the pandemic, even his staunchest critics in Germany were surprised by how even respected U.S. institutions, including the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, struggled to respond to the crisis.
The CDC, for instance, initially botched the rollout of test kits in the early stages of the outbreak.
“Like many other aspects of our country, the CDC’s ability to function well is being severely handicapped by the interference coming from the White House,” said Harvard epidemiologist Lipsitch. “All of us in public health very much hope that this is not a permanent condition of the CDC.”

Some observers fear the damage will be difficult to reverse. “I’ve always thought of the CDC as a reliable and trusted source of information,” said Wiles, the New Zealand specialist. “Not anymore.”

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"Bro why do you have a fire extinguisher in your house? What a coward! Afraid of a little fire?"

"Why would you wear your seatbelt? Too much of a pussy to go through a windshield? What a little bitch."

"Why do you have health insurance? Can't handle a little cancer? You must have a tiny penis!"

Amazingly, your post could also be used to support social distancing and wearing masks.
 
Yes.

So are you against people taking precautions or do you think everyone needs to follow social distancing guidelines? Which is it?
There's a big difference between carrying an AR-15 everywhere you go and wearing a mask. You gotta be really dumb to not see that
 
There's a big difference between carrying an AR-15 everywhere you go and wearing a mask. You gotta be really dumb to not see that
Yes, there is. You can even do both simultaneously. Then again, as @HeyYou said, nobody "carries an AR-15 everywhere they go" anyway, and it wouldn't inherently matter even if they did. More importantly, what is your point?

Unless you're saying that the peaceful anti-lockdown protests are in some way equal or even worse than the absolute chaos of the George Floyd protests, which is just :story:.
 
Yes, there is. You can even do both simultaneously. Then again, as @HeyYou said, nobody "carries an AR-15 everywhere they go" anyway, and it wouldn't inherently matter even if they did. More importantly, what is your point?

Unless you're saying that the peaceful anti-lockdown protests are in some way equal or even worse than the absolute chaos of the George Floyd protests, which is just :story:.
"You're wrong and dumb" is his point, and all facts are relative to that truth.
 
"Lauterbach said that even though most Germans disapproved of Trump before the pandemic, even his staunchest critics in Germany were surprised by how even respected U.S. institutions, including the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, struggled to respond to the crisis."
I guess Trump is not bringing home that all important German vote this year

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It's okay because the Kiwi Farm alt-right manlets who barely passed high school science told me that it's just a cold and that they know more than epidemiologists
Actually it was CNN telling you it was just a flu. Maybe you should stop watching so much fox news, and let the actual journalists control what you think
 
You should look up the meaning of "order of magnitude", because you apparently don't understand what the term means. They've not been wrong because the lockdowns worked. We are now seeing cases go back up because Karen wanted to get her hair cut.

Epidemiologists haven't said to go protest (although dumbass politicians did).
Dumbass politicans were also the ones who closed everything down to begin with.

It wasn't Karens who wanted their hair cut, it was small business owners who were seeing their livelihood be ended before their very eyes by govt fiat.

No one does this. A shitty protest isn't everywhere.

What's interesting is that these "evil alt right protesters" didn't burn their fucking cities down.
 
Yes, there is. You can even do both simultaneously. Then again, as @HeyYou said, nobody "carries an AR-15 everywhere they go" anyway, and it wouldn't inherently matter even if they did. More importantly, what is your point?

Unless you're saying that the peaceful anti-lockdown protests are in some way equal or even worse than the absolute chaos of the George Floyd protests, which is just :story:.

They carried it to their little "MAH FREEDUMS" protest, so yeah, they obviously had a reason to. What was that reason again?

Actually it was CNN telling you it was just a flu. Maybe you should stop watching so much fox news, and let the actual journalists control what you think

Lol plenty of right-wingers on this very site said it's just a cold and no big deal.
 
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You should look up the meaning of "order of magnitude", because you apparently don't understand what the term means. They've not been wrong because the lockdowns worked. We are now seeing cases go back up because Karen wanted to get her hair cut.
Nigga, do you really think the protests at a few state capitols to reopen were anything close to the scale of the international protests over George Floyd and the BLM shite? My town is in the middle of nowhere and we had fucking protests over George Floyd for a week. It was hundreds, maybe even thousands of times bigger than any reopening protests, in all sorts of places the reopening protests never happened in. So unless you're going to admit that BLM and all the lefties, plus the corporations and Democrat politicians who were their fervent cheerleaders stand at the forefront of the ones responsible for spreading the love, how about you shut your whore mouth?

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This shit is everywhere. Double standards.

Epidemiologists haven't said to go protest (although dumbass politicians did).
Oh rly?
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It's obvious that the politicians, the media, and the "experts" they promote, AKA the dogs who will sit up and fetch for their masters, don't actually give a fuck about the pandemic except for how it can promote their own agendas. So why should I give a fuck what any of them say?
 
They carried it to their little "MAH FREEDUMS" protest, so yeah, they obviously had a reason to. What was that reason again?
To make a point. A point about personal freedoms. A point that was made even more flagrant by the blatant double standards between the treatment of the anti-lockdown and George Floyd/BLM protests.

It would appear that you're almost deliberately trying not to keep up here.
 
To make a point. A point about personal freedoms. A point that was made even more flagrant by the blatant double standards between the treatment of the anti-lockdown and George Floyd/BLM protests.

It would appear that you're almost deliberately trying not to keep up here.

Lol they didn't do it to make a point. The guns were completely unnecessary to do that. They did it because they were trying to intimidate people or they were scared of something. They already were "making their point" by protesting. Ammosexuals and their defenders are hilariously pathetic

Apparently you are either willfully acting obtuse, or are too stupid to see they really didn't care about MUH FREEDUMS or they'd be out defending people from the government "tyranny" they are so afraid of when the government is sending troops out to stop protesters. Normally I'd say you were acting obtuse, except you have Trump's dick so far in your mouth that you might just very well be that stupid
 
"So cops keep shooting unarmed people, that's bad m'kay? Why aren't they shooting at all of these armed people? Surely guns are the problem."

A firearm isn't a magic talisman that makes you impervious to death, that's something Africans believe. Like actual Africans. The ones who eat each other. 👏Could it just be that those rifle-toting protestors are more intelligent than the unemployed parasites that toss themselves into the meat grinder? No, of course not, because that would require you to have the maturity to realize that you are incorrect. Again.


In summation, shut the fuck up faggot.
 
Lol they didn't do it to make a point. The guns were completely unnecessary to do that. They did it because they were trying to intimidate people or they were scared of something. They already were "making their point" by protesting. Ammosexuals and their defenders are hilariously pathetic
Again, pretending to be a telepath. You sound like a middle-aged Karen with all this pearl-clutching and hand-wringing about "REEEEEE bringing guns to lockdown protests" (where not a single shot was fired and not a single person was actually threatened).

It's absolutely pathetic.

Apparently you are either willfully acting obtuse, or are too stupid to see they really didn't care about MUH FREEDUMS or they'd be out defending people from the government "tyranny" they are so afraid of when the government is sending troops out to stop protesters. Normally I'd say you were acting obtuse, except you have Trump's dick so far in your mouth that you might just very well be that stupid
I just gave out the article that refuted all of that earlier this thread, but you couldn't read or comprehend it, so your delusional dumbass just made poor straw men of it.

It's amazing how much of a disingenuous clown you are. You apparently want more gun control, yet think that cops (one of the parts of the the government that you want to have guns) are acting "tyrannical" against protestors in some nebulous fashion. You apparently hate "ammosexuals", yet you want them to "prove themselves" by defending people who want to take away or suppress their Second Amendment rights and saving them from some undefined "tyranny" almost no gun-nut would actually find comparable to the government enforced lockdowns.
 
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It's amazing how much of a disingenuous clown you are. You apparently want more gun control, yet think that cops (one of the parts of the the government that you want to have guns) are acting "tyrannical" against protestors in some nebulous fashion. You apparently hate "ammosexuals", yet you want them to "prove themselves" by defending people who want to take away or suppress their Second Amendment rights and saving them from some undefined "tyranny" almost no gun-nut would actually find comparable to the government enforced lockdowns.

I did read it and told you why it was stupid, but you are apparently too stupid to read what I wrote.
 
I read what you wrote. It was a blatant mischaracterization of that entire article's point. So again, retarded straw man.
No it wasn't. The author article was assmad because people called him a gun loving redneck and made fun of him, so he wasn't going to defend against tyranny for them. Pretty lame excuse, just like your arguments
 
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