RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

Berrakh said:
You know those pictures of incomplete drawings? Where half is a really detailed rendition and the other half is barely a sketch? I bet that's how Monty left RWBY, obviously he never expected to die so it was not a big deal, and now we see the results.
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Probably. I’d also add that the sketch half is the way it was because Miles and Kerry weren’t able to sit Monty down and actually develop and get to the bottom of things (Shane alleges in his letter that Monty would tell his wife about things regarding the show and characters that he didn’t tell Miles and Kerry, which was something he did with his friends probably even before RWBY).

Also, Monty had a habit of just going off on his own and adding and/or changing things without the knowledge of CRWBY. Someone many pages ago said that if there was a plan, it was always in flux because Monty would add or change things, and nobody knew what he settled on (or the cynical analysis, there wasn’t a plan, and Monty’s whims made things worse.)

Edit: I feel Shane’s anecdote shows CRWBY always had a problem with communication.
 
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Probably. I’d also add that the sketch half is the way it was because Miles and Kerry weren’t able to sit Monty down and actually develop and get to the bottom of things (Shane alleges in his letter that Monty would tell his wife about things regarding the show and characters that he didn’t tell Miles and Kerry, which was something he did with his friends probably even before RWBY).

Also, Monty had a habit of just going off on his own and adding and/or changing things without the knowledge of CRWBY. Someone many pages ago said that if there was a plan, it was always in flux because Monty would add or change things, and nobody knew what he settled on (or the cynical analysis, there wasn’t a plan, and Monty’s whims made things worse.)
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Little Nomura.
 
The Maidens are always the big example but yeah Monty was always changing his mind. It's part of why I think the show's lost a little bit of the spark it had, as while the results weren't always great, Monty's spontanious attitude at least kept the viewer on their feet.

I think that's part of the reason why he was so against change for his workflow as mentioned: Shane trying to emulate his animation style led to constant conflict with the rest of the animation team in Volume 3 trying to work around the stuff Monty took for granted, and part of him knew that if he began working in a more traditional pipeline, he wouldn't be able to just throw together whatever he wanted over a weekend like he was allowed to for Volumes 1 and 2.

(granted he was learning Maya per Twitter so maybe I'm super wrong but who can tell)
 
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Double standards, gotta love em. https://itsclydebitches.tumblr.com/...is-raven-supposed-to-be-seen-as-complicated-i
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I love how this person neglects to mention WHY the reason for Ironwood going off the rails is because of Team RWBY, JNR, Oscar, and Qrow.

Raven through and through is a human shit pile that runs a bandit clan where they attack villages for supplies (Leaving civilians to die when Grimm show up), abandoned her daughter right after she was born to Tai without any regrets about doing so, and lest we forget that she MURDERS a teenager only because the kid in question wasn't taking to combat quite well;with most of this being revealed before we find out that on top of all that, she's a goddamn coward.

Ironwood from the start was cool with working together alongside the "Heroes", not hiding a single thing from them (The only one being the plans for the tower, which drew out Tyrian and Watts as planned), and that's not counting all the nice shit he does for them from free housing, training with his elite team, Hunstmen licenses alongside cake to celebrate, and need we forget he gave Yang a new arm that was expensive as hell for FREE?

Ironwood ended up as he did because the Idiots decided to treat him with suspicion even after he proved to be far more trusting than Lionhart, and doing stupid things like telling a terrorist about classified information for no reason other than trusting propaganda spouted by the terrorist's organization and supporters;without even considering that the possibility of this cunt being a Agent of Salem? Robyn Hill is more trustworthy than the dude who did more for you?

Ironwood was someone they treated him like a bad guy from the start without feeling guilty about it, so he eventually became the thing they wanted him to be all along due to their own actions.
 
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The only things I know about this Series is that they apparently fucked over Monty's vision and that there's a lot of fucking porn of it. Guessing that's all I need to know about, though?
 
Bungus Scrungus said:
The only things I know about this Series is that they apparently fucked over Monty's vision and that there's a lot of fucking porn of it. Guessing that's all I need to know about, though?
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Eh, I guess that sums it up. Though the screwing of Monty’s vision seems to be more of incompetence and not realizing the kind of show they’ve made.
 
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It's always curiously funny when a show, in trying to villainize a character, unintentionally make them even more the hero while making the ones they want to redeem as 'misunderstood' look even more villainous.

Rondo Richter Belmont said:
I love how this person neglects to mention WHY the reason for Ironwood going off the rails is because of Team RWBY, JNR, Oscar, and Qrow.
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Looking at other posts by this person, they seem be pretty pro Ironwood and hold RWBY accountable for being immature jackasses, so I don't think they're purposely neglecting anything.
 
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TheAmbiguousLurker said:
It's always curiously funny when a show, in trying to villainize a character, unintentionally make them even more the hero while making the ones they want to redeem as 'misunderstood' look even more villainous.


Looking at other posts by this person, they seem be pretty pro Ironwood and hold RWBY accountable for being immature jackasses, so I don't think they're purposely neglecting anything.
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Then I retract my statement on the neglect portion, though the post that person did give off a vibe of justifying Raven's actions and ignoring why Ironwood became an extremist.

But maybe it was more towards of CRWBY doing that, than a In-Universe reason.
 
Rondo Richter Belmont said:
Then I retract my statement on the neglect portion, though the post that person did give off a vibe of justifying Raven's actions and ignoring why Ironwood became an extremist.

But maybe it was more towards of CRWBY doing that, than a In-Universe reason.
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The post itself does raise a good point about how CRWBY tries to emotionally manipulate the audience at least.

Raven, despite being much more evil than Ironwood ever could be, is presented as redeemable through how the characters interact with her, and how the story focus's on her struggle with doing what she does and having her actually allowed to argue her position before having the 'Truly evil guys can't cry. Sad grill' ending. Ironwood, instead of being written as a villain, just has the music, direction and emoting made to cast him in an unsympathetic light. He doesn't get to argue his position, he doesn't get to break down in tears to get sympathy points, he only gets to be constantly told he's a tyrannical maniac who does heinous things. We know he's evil because the scene focus's, not on what he's actually doing and thinking, but on how cold and evil he looks. They manipulate the audience by allowing the character they favor to show their humanity while the character they don't is mostly denied it. Same reason why the likes of Harriet in the Ace Ops fight is suddenly blood thirsty and talking like she and Ruby had some petty off screen rivalry.

It's basically drawing a mustache and horns on him and calling it a day. "Hey, Kids! He looks evil and the always right protagonists don't agree with him, so he must be super duper bad."
 
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Effluvium said:
So...in other words, he was a bonafide autist?
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Absolutely! Had Monty not died prematurely, he would have had his own thread a long time ago, I have no doubts about it. The tale of him hurricane kicking a fridge is one such instance where he'd either try to appear as "cool" as possible like a 12 year old, or that he had some legit assburgers going on. If rumours are to be believed, he even allegedly wrote all the TV Tropes entries that suck his dick himself, which would be beyond sad if true. Either way, that boy wasn't right in the head, to paraphrase Hank Hill. Who knows in what other cringe he would have produced?

Even without his cat allergy, his marriage with Sheena was a Chernobyl disaster waiting to happen. Sheena would have cheated on Monty with Chad and Tyrone at the very least, and it would have not surprised me if she had convinced him to turn their marriage into a polyamorous relationship because Monty was - let's face it - a low-test bottom bitch.

I'm saying in all seriousness that Monty died just in time before he would have been universally recognized as a lolcow.
 
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Fougaro said:
The tale of him hurricane kicking a fridge is one such instance where he'd either try to appear as "cool" as possible like a 12 year old, or that he had some legit assburgers going on.
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I must have missed that one.

TheAmbiguousLurker said:
It's always curiously funny when a show, in trying to villainize a character, unintentionally make them even more the hero while making the ones they want to redeem as 'misunderstood' look even more villainous.
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TheAmbiguousLurker said:
The post itself does raise a good point about how CRWBY tries to emotionally manipulate the audience at least.

Raven, despite being much more evil than Ironwood ever could be, is presented as redeemable through how the characters interact with her, and how the story focus's on her struggle with doing what she does and having her actually allowed to argue her position before having the 'Truly evil guys can't cry. Sad grill' ending. Ironwood, instead of being written as a villain, just has the music, direction and emoting made to cast him in an unsympathetic light. He doesn't get to argue his position, he doesn't get to break down in tears to get sympathy points, he only gets to be constantly told he's a tyrannical maniac who does heinous things. We know he's evil because the scene focus's, not on what he's actually doing and thinking, but on how cold and evil he looks. They manipulate the audience by allowing the character they favor to show their humanity while the character they don't is mostly denied it. Same reason why the likes of Harriet in the Ace Ops fight is suddenly blood thirsty and talking like she and Ruby had some petty off screen rivalry.

It's basically drawing a mustache and horns on him and calling it a day. "Hey, Kids! He looks evil and the always right protagonists don't agree with him, so he must be super duper bad."
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This is what happens when the show goes too long without a scene of the heroes facing Salem and her crew, Cinder and her cronies, or Grimm: they have to struggle to find an antagonist, and they show just how unprepared for the bigger story CRWBY is for what they've made.
 
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