Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[teriyakiburns]

The point of a mouth covering is to keep you from spreading on other people, not to protect yourself.

There's a bunch of (rushed, highly dubious) studies that have been wheeled out to justify masking everyone all the time, because apparently asking people who think they're ill to mask up is too sensible and they have to double down on the retardation. This "advice" has been uncritically accepted by a whole bunch of people in my social circles, to the point where they're trying to actively shame people for not wearing masks everywhere, even though I live in a country that has refused to mandate masks in most situations and actually advises against it in some.

 

[Glad I couldn't help]

Speaking of which, remember when this seemed to turn Iran into a hellscape right before it impacted countries we actually care about?

Was there ever any resolution to that story-arc?

They seem to have been able to knock it down, but went back up again. Heard it was spread into areas which weren't as badly hit before.

Meanwhile, in the USA, dozens of USSS agents are self-quarantining because they might have contacted infected people during Trump's Tulsa rally. It's rapidly spreading across many of the state in the South and West, with AZ, TX, and FL seeing some big increases. Apparently Houston is nearing ICU capacity.

So yeah, things are bad, although deaths are still low. It could be that because medical personnel have learned how to better treat the disease and it seems to be effecting younger people -- or it could a lagging indicator. Only time will tell.

In any case, really grim situation. Worse case is that Texas, Florida and others will expeirence a Wuhan/Lombardy/New York catastrophe, with overflowing hospitals and massive increase in all deaths. If that were happen, I think you see a second shutdown, regardless of what the federal state or local authorities say or do.

 

[Intensening Rapeye]

All that’s really needed now is for the 3 gorges dam to burst.

 

[Simpadoo]

They seem to have been able to knock it down, but went back up again. Heard it was spread into areas which weren't as badly hit before.

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Meanwhile, in the USA, dozens of USSS agents are self-quarantining because they might have contacted infected people during Trump's Tulsa rally. It's rapidly spreading across many of the state in the South and West, with AZ, TX, and FL seeing some big increases. Apparently Houston is nearing ICU capacity.

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So yeah, things are bad, although deaths are still low. It could be that because medical personnel have learned how to better treat the disease and it seems to be effecting younger people -- or it could a lagging indicator. Only time will tell.

In any case, really grim situation. Worse case is that Texas, Florida and others will expeirence a Wuhan/Lombardy/New York catastrophe, with overflowing hospitals and massive increase in all deaths. If that were happen, I think you see a second shutdown, regardless of what the federal state or local authorities say or do.

Lol! Source: The Jew York Times. Goy! This is no time to relax! Get in the pod!

 

[eternal dog mongler]

So yeah, things are bad, although deaths are still low. It could be that because medical personnel have learned how to better treat the disease and it seems to be effecting younger people -- or it could a lagging indicator. Only time will tell.

You won't really see a massive spike in deaths correlated with the case numbers because we're catching a lot of younger people with the increased outpatient testing. e.g., in NYC their death % was insane for a long time since they were only testing patients with symptoms bad enough to go to the hospital.

That said yes we're running out of capacity where I'm at and there's no good news ahead.

 

[Homegrown Homophobia]

On Twitter in Los Angeles I love how there's a huge overlap between the ACAB crowd, and the "1k fines for not wearing a mask" mask nazis, with zero self awareness of the contradictions of their position.,

 

[Xerxes IX]

On Twitter in Los Angeles I love how there's a huge overlap between the ACAB crowd, and the "1k fines for not wearing a mask" mask nazis, with zero self awareness of the contradictions of their position.,

Do they say there's going to be a second shut down if people (who aren't protesting of course) don't #StayTheFuckHome until 20XX? Because I really need to pose the question:

Who the fuck do they think is going to enforce that?

 

[Cast Iron Pan]

Michigan gyms and fitness centers won’t reopen Thursday after all

A last-minute appellate court decision published at 8:40 p.m. Wednesday, June 24, blocks the reopening of gyms and fitness centers across Michigan.

www.mlive.com

Michigan gyms and fitness centers won’t reopen Thursday after all

Erskine said in response to the ruling. “Perhaps someday gyms will be valued by our Governor as much as she values strip clubs, hookah lounges, lottery sales, liquor stores and marijuana dispensaries.”

 

[Drain Todger]

Well, here it is, folks. Straight from the horse's mouth. 120 million dead from COVID.

Can't believe I let Mr. Hallway McFingerfucker out-doom me. I must be slipping.

 

[FuckedUp]

On Twitter in Los Angeles I love how there's a huge overlap between the ACAB crowd, and the "1k fines for not wearing a mask" mask nazis, with zero self awareness of the contradictions of their position.,

Do they say there's going to be a second shut down if people (who aren't protesting of course) don't #StayTheFuckHome until 20XX? Because I really need to pose the question:

Who the fuck do they think is going to enforce that?

As I posted in the riot thread a while back...

 

[Otterly]

However, consider this. The number of cases doesn't equate to the number of hospitalizations. The vast majority of cases are minor and the patients never see the hospital. The number of hospitalizations doesn't equate to the number of dead

Exactly. Case numbers are pointless, because they’re dependent of how many people you’re testing. If one state is testing 10x more than another they’ll find more cases. Most are mild.
What matters is sickness and death. Namely:
How many people are hospitalised?
how does that affet treatment capacity?
What is the knock on effect on healthcare capacity?
How many die?
Clearly in places like Italy, the healthcare system was overwhelmed to the point of collapse. That hasn’t happened in America yet, not has it happened in the UK.
What has happened is a huge backlog of elective procedures and cancer screening, that will kill a lot of people.

 

[Simpadoo]

Exactly. Case numbers are pointless, because they’re dependent of how many people you’re testing. If one state is testing 10x more than another they’ll find more cases. Most are mild.
What matters is sickness and death. Namely:
How many people are hospitalised?
how does that affet treatment capacity?
What is the knock on effect on healthcare capacity?
How many die?
Clearly in places like Italy, the healthcare system was overwhelmed to the point of collapse. That hasn’t happened in America yet, not has it happened in the UK.
What has happened is a huge backlog of elective procedures and cancer screening, that will kill a lot of people.

Italian healthcare was a shit show even before the Rona. The former conquerors of the world were laid low by the previous flu season. Here, getting rid of elective surgery probably bankrupted a lot of hospitals.

 

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Italian healthcare was a shit show even before the Rona. The former conquerors of the world were laid low by the previous flu season. Here, getting rid of elective surgery probably bankrupted a lot of hospitals.

Oh, shit, I hadn't even thought of that. No wonder the leftist politicians in the US are shutting down everything -- their lobbyist friends from the hospitals are getting them to protect their profits.

 

[Turd Cow]

Hey, someone who knows viruses

I've heard someone told me that our hospitals are overflowed of young people.

Here's an article i found:

From the Houston Chronicle

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Spoiler: Full Article in Text Form

Healthcare CEOs of the Texas Medical Center said Thursday that a letter that was sent out to the community Wednesday regarding the hospital system's "increasingly stretched" ICU capacity level was "misinterpreted" and stressed the pandemic is not eclipsing hospital capabilities to care for COVID-19 positive patients as well as other patients.

Following reports that TMC had reached 97 percent capacity, Dr. Marc Boom, Houston Methodist president and CEO, said ICU capacity percentages in the 80s or 90s is "completely normal."


"We have the ability to go far higher than that in terms of the ICU beds we can utilize for COVID-19 patients," Boom said during a press conference. "...We have PPE (personal protection equipment) we have the capability, (and) we have learned enormous amounts about caring for people with COVID-19."



Dr. Doug Lawson, St. Luke’s Health CEO, said hospitals are actively planning for anticipated increases over the coming months, which includes bringing in contract nurses and clinicians from other parts of the country to help with surges and doubling critical care capacity.


'ABSOLUTELY HORRIFYING': Coronavirus expert warns of dire health crisis amid Texas surge


"The reality is all of us have the ability to significantly expand capacity on a day to day, week to week, month to month basis," Lawson said.

Boom said overall, hospitals are seeing younger COVID-19 patients, who stay for a shorter period of time, and fewer deaths. Thanks to active surveillance programs and quick turnaround testing times, Boom and Mark Wallace, Texas Children’s Hospital president and CEO, said a "relatively low number" of hospital employees have tested positive for the virus. Texas Children's started accepting adult COVID-19 positive patients this week and is currently operating at a 74 percent ICU occupancy, Wallace said.


ON HOUSTONCHRONICLE.COM: Houston ICU capacity could soon be exceeded as COVID-19 hospitalizations worsen, TMC projects

Dr. David L. Callender, Memorial Hermann Health System CEO, said the public needs to stay home if at all possible, wear face masks, practice social distancing and rigorous personal hygiene to "please help us help Houston."

"We need the community to do the right things to help bend this curve right now," Boom said.

Edit: shit, i was going to say if i should worry, in really not but i just wanna know

 

[PurpleEater]

Apparently living life while COVID exists is pointless and just consumerism, as is going to work and/or enjoying experiences outside of the home.

 

[MediocreMilt]

Apparently living life while COVID exists is pointless and just consumerism, as is going to work and/or enjoying experiences outside of the home.

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>be me
>ask girl out
>can't go to candlelit restaurant
>too consumerist
>knee deep in puss

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Apparently living life while COVID exists is pointless and just consumerism, as is going to work and/or enjoying experiences outside of the home.

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but the moment he can get some Chink Cum stuck in his ass with a needle he is gonna be right back to consuming

 

[eternal dog mongler]

Oh, shit, I hadn't even thought of that. No wonder the leftist politicians in the US are shutting down everything -- their lobbyist friends from the hospitals are getting them to protect their profits.

sooo leftists created lockdown orders to reduce spread so we could bring elective procedures back and hospitals could generate revenue again?

In other words, they were doing the right thing?

 

[Mrs. Addams]

Hey, someone who knows viruses

I've heard someone told me that our hospitals are overflowed of young people.

Here's an article i found:

From the Houston Chronicle

Original
Archive

Spoiler: Full Article in Text Form

Healthcare CEOs of the Texas Medical Center said Thursday that a letter that was sent out to the community Wednesday regarding the hospital system's "increasingly stretched" ICU capacity level was "misinterpreted" and stressed the pandemic is not eclipsing hospital capabilities to care for COVID-19 positive patients as well as other patients.

Following reports that TMC had reached 97 percent capacity, Dr. Marc Boom, Houston Methodist president and CEO, said ICU capacity percentages in the 80s or 90s is "completely normal."


"We have the ability to go far higher than that in terms of the ICU beds we can utilize for COVID-19 patients," Boom said during a press conference. "...We have PPE (personal protection equipment) we have the capability, (and) we have learned enormous amounts about caring for people with COVID-19."



Dr. Doug Lawson, St. Luke’s Health CEO, said hospitals are actively planning for anticipated increases over the coming months, which includes bringing in contract nurses and clinicians from other parts of the country to help with surges and doubling critical care capacity.


'ABSOLUTELY HORRIFYING': Coronavirus expert warns of dire health crisis amid Texas surge


"The reality is all of us have the ability to significantly expand capacity on a day to day, week to week, month to month basis," Lawson said.

Boom said overall, hospitals are seeing younger COVID-19 patients, who stay for a shorter period of time, and fewer deaths. Thanks to active surveillance programs and quick turnaround testing times, Boom and Mark Wallace, Texas Children’s Hospital president and CEO, said a "relatively low number" of hospital employees have tested positive for the virus. Texas Children's started accepting adult COVID-19 positive patients this week and is currently operating at a 74 percent ICU occupancy, Wallace said.


ON HOUSTONCHRONICLE.COM: Houston ICU capacity could soon be exceeded as COVID-19 hospitalizations worsen, TMC projects

Dr. David L. Callender, Memorial Hermann Health System CEO, said the public needs to stay home if at all possible, wear face masks, practice social distancing and rigorous personal hygiene to "please help us help Houston."

"We need the community to do the right things to help bend this curve right now," Boom said.

Edit: shit, i was going to say if i should worry, in really not but i just wanna know

I'm not medical, but early on in the lockdowns, my nurse friend said it was normal for certain parts of the hospital to add and subtract beds as needed (since everything's on wheels). And I think I heard (months ago) that they were taking non-ICU wards and making them into special Covid wards. The Covid wards need contained airflow, so that might take some time.

 

[Otterly]

Hey, someone who knows viruses

I've heard someone told me that our hospitals are overflowed of young people.

Here's an article i found:

From the Houston Chronicle

Original
Archive

Spoiler: Full Article in Text Form

Healthcare CEOs of the Texas Medical Center said Thursday that a letter that was sent out to the community Wednesday regarding the hospital system's "increasingly stretched" ICU capacity level was "misinterpreted" and stressed the pandemic is not eclipsing hospital capabilities to care for COVID-19 positive patients as well as other patients.

Following reports that TMC had reached 97 percent capacity, Dr. Marc Boom, Houston Methodist president and CEO, said ICU capacity percentages in the 80s or 90s is "completely normal."


"We have the ability to go far higher than that in terms of the ICU beds we can utilize for COVID-19 patients," Boom said during a press conference. "...We have PPE (personal protection equipment) we have the capability, (and) we have learned enormous amounts about caring for people with COVID-19."



Dr. Doug Lawson, St. Luke’s Health CEO, said hospitals are actively planning for anticipated increases over the coming months, which includes bringing in contract nurses and clinicians from other parts of the country to help with surges and doubling critical care capacity.


'ABSOLUTELY HORRIFYING': Coronavirus expert warns of dire health crisis amid Texas surge


"The reality is all of us have the ability to significantly expand capacity on a day to day, week to week, month to month basis," Lawson said.

Boom said overall, hospitals are seeing younger COVID-19 patients, who stay for a shorter period of time, and fewer deaths. Thanks to active surveillance programs and quick turnaround testing times, Boom and Mark Wallace, Texas Children’s Hospital president and CEO, said a "relatively low number" of hospital employees have tested positive for the virus. Texas Children's started accepting adult COVID-19 positive patients this week and is currently operating at a 74 percent ICU occupancy, Wallace said.


ON HOUSTONCHRONICLE.COM: Houston ICU capacity could soon be exceeded as COVID-19 hospitalizations worsen, TMC projects

Dr. David L. Callender, Memorial Hermann Health System CEO, said the public needs to stay home if at all possible, wear face masks, practice social distancing and rigorous personal hygiene to "please help us help Houston."

"We need the community to do the right things to help bend this curve right now," Boom said.

Edit: shit, i was going to say if i should worry, in really not but i just wanna know

No, you shouldn’t worry. If you live with elderly relatives or visit them take basic precautions and if you’re in a very vulnerable group take precautions too. Otherwise just live as normal.

Texas is busy. Occupancy in the 80-90s isnt unusual where I am (uk.) it’s busy though, not collapsing. There is no need to panic, or worry unduly. Take the same precautions you would with a bad flu season.
The backlog of elective procedures in the Uk now will take 2-4 YEARS to get through I’m told. The stop in cancer screenings and testing and treatment will kill tens of thousands. Lockdown has been an unmitigated disaster, psychologically and in physical health terms. We have single payer health mainly so we aren’t in quite the same state the USA is but there must be a black hole of lost revenue there. Elective procedures drive income and revenue and if there’s no revenue recognition your finances are fecked.