Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

I knew there was a point about SW: Jedi Temple Challenge that I forgot to make in my previous post.

One thing I'd change is the penalty for using the Dark Side to escape the trash smasher. Presently, it's solving the next puzzle in the dark, which seems like a relatively minor consequence for doing what Master Beq tells the finalists to avoid. Why not add an extra/unneeded puzzle piece in the next stage to make things a bit more difficult -- such as an unmatched cord when the stage involves plugging matched connectors together, or an extra puzzle piece that doesn't fit in the most-recent episode's substitute for this stage. That's a bit more of a challenge to overcome without being too difficult or too inconsequential while reinforcing the lesson that taking the easy way out is anything but easy in the end.

Can there be any shows or cartoons set between Episode 1 and 2 because I’m hardly seeing any of that right now.

Even if there was a decent enough story to be told between these films, do you really want Disney being the ones to tell it? Knowing the current leadership, we'd probably end up seeing something about Ahsoka's birth or something else relatively inconsequential or irrelevant to the films.

Edit: I must have missed this in last night's catch-up:

@cjv97 Reminds me how much I can't stand Filoni and Hidalgo. Hidalgo for how he handles fans and upholding Filoni's and the Disney Triolgy shitstains to the Star Wars Franchise, and Filoni for his favoritism, hypocrisy, outright lies, and retarded Bait and Switches in his stories, also him standing more with Kennedy.

I'm assuming the upper right row is the Bad Batch cast? Why does the far right guy on the top row look more like Rambo than a SW character? Worse, why does the middle row's rightmost character look like he has a Star Trek-esque Borg laser targeting sight in his glasses?

 

[Stab You in the Back]

JJ is capable of making good films when he is in the director's chair

No, he isn't.

His films are soulless and derivative, at best. He's another Jerry Bruckheimer, Bryan Singer or Brett Ratner. The guy has no vision and no talent as a director. The only thing Abrams is good at is jewing money out of companies.

 

[HandsomeDan]

While laying sick in bed, I got the chance to watch the "Gallery" series about the making of the Mandalorian. Overall I enjoyed it, with the exception of the syrupy ass kissing by the various directors and above all any scenes that incuded KK. What struck me was a genuine understanding of Star Wars by those involved, including a sequence where they explained that they went so far as to create a study of how ships and vehicles moved in the OT so they could make sure to keep all of that consistant. I even thought Filoni said some very compelling things. To me it is clear that this in depth study did not occur for the design of the ST.

I also found it amusing that the only time the ST was mentioned was one sentence where they mentioned the release of Episode 9, otherwise they said nothing about the ST, it was very clear that this was absolutely deliberate.

 

[cjv97]

Before getting brought by Disney, I still don't get what the point of Filoni/Lucas getting rid of Grievous old backstory, if they're not even gonna bother continue telling us after all this year while the only thing we got was when Grievous said: "Improvements! I submit to no one. I chose them. Now get on with it." (which I think it stupid) in the episode Lair of Grievous.

Plus during the interview "Filoni has stated that he does not wish to eliminate the shuttle crash story, because he respects the Expanded Universe."

 

[Cactuar King]

Plus during the interview "Filoni has stated that he does not wish to eliminate the shuttle crash story, because he respects the Expanded Universe."

Ha! That’s a fuckin’ joke. He was full of shit right from the start.

 

[Miller]

3: Squadrons may just be a fucking VR game they've decided to port to console, hence the odd player view.

The 10 players (5v5) max and the mobile game level of customization/unlock gave me that feeling too.

 

[Wyzzerd]

Can there be any shows or cartoons set between Episode 1 and 2 because I’m hardly seeing any of that right now.

I remember there being a series of books called Star Wars: Jedi Apprentice that followed qui-gon/obi-wan and then later obi-wan/anakin as they ran around doing jedi stuff.* Following their training is the only thing you could probably make a story out of between 1 and 2 without creating a new conflict out of nowhere.

Maybe a story set from the trade federation's point of view, maybe painting them in a more sympathetic light? Showing more about their struggles and how creamy sheev was pulling their strings. But that would detract from "lol droidz r bad and go clank clank" and it's probably far too late for something that nuanced or clever.

*The books were very much a young reader demographic as they are quite short so probably not worth the effort of trying to dig up to read.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

I remember there being a series of books called Star Wars: Jedi Apprentice that followed qui-gon/obi-wan and then later obi-wan/anakin as they ran around doing jedi stuff.* Following their training is the only thing you could probably make a story out of between 1 and 2 without creating a new conflict out of nowhere.

Maybe a story set from the trade federation's point of view, maybe painting them in a more sympathetic light? Showing more about their struggles and how creamy sheev was pulling their strings. But that would detract from "lol droidz r bad and go clank clank" and it's probably far too late for something that nuanced or clever.

*The books were very much a young reader demographic as they are quite short so probably not worth the effort of trying to dig up to read.

Hard disagree there. Don't let the intended demographic of the books fool you...Jedi Quest and especially Jedi Apprentice did great things with the PT characters, the latter of which was so popular with older readers at the time that author Jude Watson extended the length of the series not once, but twice. Both would also introduce great characters like a begrudging romantic interest for Obi-Wan with Siri Tachi, and a rival Padawan to Anakin in the form of Ferus Olin.

It really says something about the Expanded Universe when even the junior novels are worth reading. The only ones I feel didn't really hit the mark were the Junior Jedi Knight books from the 90's, which are aimed at a really, REALLY young demographic...and essentially functions as the Star Wars equivalent of the Magic Treehouse (they did introduce Tahiri Veila, though, so that's worth something).

 

[Creep3r]

Can there be any shows or cartoons set between Episode 1 and 2 because I’m hardly seeing any of that right now.

Phantom menace and attack of the clones?

I guess, but it would be like the high republic. Generally boring and of little interest since most of what happens during then are behind the scenes power plays. The only story to really tell is the fall of Dooku which I think was told.

I think there is a story to tell there but it couldn't be a big-scale "war" story with an overarching animated arc like say Genndy Wars or other Clone Wars multimedia since that period was somewhat uneventful on a galactic scale since as Flexo said its just the early CIS trolling and Palpatine horsing around from behind the scenes as they set up their big war. However, that doesn't mean there isn't a great story to be told during that time. There is potential for an overarching animated series that covers Kenobi and Anakin's training and adventures, which was shown that it could be done via the well executed Jedi Apprentice and Jedi Quest stories, and even Disney's rare non-fuckup that was Anakin & Kenobi. Same with an animated show about Kenobi and Qui-Gon if they did one leading up to TPM, which was also shown that it could be done. Or maybe do both and make it a show called Master and Apprentice that alternates between Kenobi and Anakin's adventures and Kenobi flashbacking to his own training for certain episodes in order to remember Qui-Gon's guidance. Thing is though, such a show could not work in CGI. It would work best in 2D since such a show would be a journey that takes them across many places and meet numerous people, something that can't be done with the current limits of CGI which rely too heavily on re-using the same assets over and over again.

In a nutshell, a series that's basically Samurai Jack with an apprentice but with a planned out conclusion.

But the real problem though is...

Even if there was a decent enough story to be told between these films, do you really want Disney being the ones to tell it? Knowing the current leadership, we'd probably end up seeing something about Ahsoka's birth or something else relatively inconsequential or irrelevant to the films.

This.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

Can there be any shows or cartoons set between Episode 1 and 2 because I’m hardly seeing any of that right now.

I wouldn't mind a retelling of Jango Fett: Open Seasons/Star Wars Bounty Hunter.
But, I guess there could be room to show Obi-Wan training Anakin or the Fall of Count Dooku.
But, like @GeneralFriendliness mentioned, I don't trust the current staff Lucasfilm to pull it off competently.
Rogue One and The Mandalorian seem like flukes and lightning in a bottle.

 

[Wyzzerd]

Hard disagree there. Don't let the intended demographic of the books fool you...Jedi Quest and especially Jedi Apprentice did great things with the PT characters, the latter of which was so popular with older readers at the time that author Jude Watson extended the length of the series not once, but twice. Both would also introduce great characters like a begrudging romantic interest for Obi-Wan with Siri Tachi, and a rival Padawan to Anakin in the form of Ferus Olin.

It really says something about the Expanded Universe when even the junior novels are worth reading. The only ones I feel didn't really hit the mark were the Junior Jedi Knight books from the 90's, which are aimed at a really, REALLY young demographic...and essentially functions as the Star Wars equivalent of the Magic Treehouse (they did introduce Tahiri Veila, though, so that's worth something).

That's interesting. I remember reading the series and enjoying them quite a bit but remember very little about them beyond some fun master and apprentice moments like when qui-gon gave obi-wan a small warming stone or fighting the bounty hunter(?) who used a laser whip thing.

If they still stand up then disregard what I said. Didn't want someone to go digging for something I barely remember.

 

[Creep3r]

I wouldn't mind a retelling of Jango Fett: Open Seasons/Star Wars Bounty Hunter.
But, I guess there could be room to show Obi-Wan training Anakin or the Fall of Count Dooku.
But, like @GeneralFriendliness mentioned, I don't trust the current staff Lucasfilm to pull it off competently.
Rogue One and The Mandalorian seem like flukes and lightning in a bottle.

I think the fall of Dooku would work best as a special or 5-episode miniseries rather than a full series. Its an interesting tale but not one that could produce much content for a multi-season series unless it also covered Dooku growing up and training under Yoda, but even then that would just be standard jedi fare since the best parts of his life begin near the end of his jedi career. Plus as a miniseries, it has a guaranteed solid conclusion with no chance of forced milking.

If they made an HD remake of Bounty Hunter, adding a new storyline/bonus content based around Open Seasons would be pretty based, but this is EA and Disney we're talking about...

 

[BrunoMattei]

 

[Lucille Bluth]

That was quick. I thought it was going to take a few more months till the second part to come out.

And with that, the MaRey Sue Saga is hopefully done.

 

[Strange Wilderness]

Before getting brought by Disney, I still don't get what the point of Filoni/Lucas getting rid of Grievous old backstory, if they're not even gonna bother continue telling us after all this year while the only thing we got was when Grievous said: "Improvements! I submit to no one. I chose them. Now get on with it." (which I think it stupid) in the episode Lair of Grievous.

Plus during the interview "Filoni has stated that he does not wish to eliminate the shuttle crash story, because he respects the Expanded Universe."

Lucas has always seemed like he was changing his mind constantly when it came to Grievous. I remember reading something that he wanted Grievous to be some little kid in a hover chair flanked by two Magnaguard droids as his bodyguards before making the Magnaguards Grievous, then letting Genndy make Grievous a badass, before making him a pathetic foreshadowing of Darth Vader. It wouldn't surprise me if Lucas all of a sudden decided he wanted Grievous to be a power-hungry serial killer instead of a fallen warrior and Filoni went ahead with it. And to be fair there was a comic strip put out that did hint Filoni Wars Grievous did have the same tragic backstory as actual Grievous.

 

[cjv97]

Lucas has always seemed like he was changing his mind constantly when it came to Grievous. I remember reading something that he wanted Grievous to be some little kid in a hover chair flanked by two Magnaguard droids as his bodyguards before making the Magnaguards Grievous, then letting Genndy make Grievous a badass, before making him a pathetic foreshadowing of Darth Vader. It wouldn't surprise me if Lucas all of a sudden decided he wanted Grievous to be a power-hungry serial killer instead of a fallen warrior and Filoni went ahead with it. And to be fair there was a comic strip put out that did hint Filoni Wars Grievous did have the same tragic backstory as actual Grievous.

You mean this? The Clone Wars: The Dream of General Grievous a webcomic written by Pablo Hidalgo.

 

[Creep3r]

E;R is a blessing, but holy fuck this shitastic movie gets worse with each viewing, even when its via short clips. Its the most soulless incarnation of a summer blockbuster imaginable (that's released in December) but with SW slapped on it. Almost every instance of this movie is just sickeningly superficial and poorly conceived, as if by people who were never even involved with any of the past movies to begin with, just watching the OT once and calling it a day because they ran out of time. LMAO even the most minute details are a mess, like calling Lando's homeworld something as generic as fucking "Gold" despite the Solo movie tie-ins and everything else under Disney still calling it Socorro like in old canon until then. Lucasfilm really is a disjointed mess. But yeah sure, nu-canon is totally more consistent and well written than its ever been... The random old lady on Tatooine at the end with the ugly bird horse is just icing on the cake of poor execution.

 

[Shield Breaker]

Honestly, Disney should have made episodes 7-9 set a few hundred years later, with Luke and Leia as force ghosts, and Rey and Poe descendants of the Skywalker and Solo line. Make the First Order the remnants of the Empire which came back from the Unknown Regions. Finn is still a defector, but he is force sensitive from the beginning and Rose could be a Jedi mechanic similar to Jaina. Rey was abandoned on Jakku by her parents because her grandfather Jaek Skywalker supposedly went insane and destroyed the Jedi temple and murdered her older brother Ben.

You don't have to change much for the films to not shit all over the originals.

 

[Creep3r]

Guess I'll postpone the cosmic shitpost until I'm certain the E;R chatter goes down.

Honestly, Disney should have made episodes 7-9 set a few hundred years later, with Luke and Leia as force ghosts, and Rey and Poe descendants of the Skywalker and Solo line. Make the First Order the remnants of the Empire which came back from the Unknown Regions. Finn is still a defector, but he is force sensitive from the beginning and Rose could be a Jedi mechanic similar to Jaina. Rey was abandoned on Jakku by her parents because her grandfather Jaek Skywalker supposedly went insane and destroyed the Jedi temple and murdered her older brother Ben.

You don't have to change much for the films to not shit all over the originals.

Its what I've been saying from the beginning. Its even evident that Disney's version of the Galaxy hardly feels or looks like the same one we knew, so might as well have it take place centuries later to make the drastic difference make sense, but nope. From the get go in production since 2014, they wouldn't shut up about "living in the shadow of Luke and the rest" and how they needed to be surpassed instead of trying to be worthy of their legacies. Hence Luke being reduced to a coward who hides away for no reason just so Rey could use him to be her personal Yoda because Kennedy, Kasdan, Filoni, Hidalgo and JJ wanted to make it easier for Rey to surpass him, and for the rest of the new cast to surpass the old, by knocking them down a peg and making them easier to squash and move aside instead of trying to honor them as something like Legacy tried to do and being recognized by their predecessors for their own achievements. E;R said it best in that this shit was doomed from the minute they decided to make it a soft reboot in 2014 and trying to replace the original instead of being its own tale that was trying to honor and continue the legacy of what came before. E;R perfectly summed up the problem with Disney Wars since day fucking 1 way better than anyone else so far and I'm pleased with that.

Anyway, in other news...

1: Chuck Wendig is getting MeToo'd as a rape enabler for not defending some lady he used to know because of some bullshit drama. Go to the Chuck Wendig thread or to @Itchy Bacca to learn more.

2: Disney Wars sites are shilling the new crappy Dr. Aphra audio book which is an "expansion of her comic misadventures with Vader". Thankfully it doesn't seem to be getting nearly as much attention as Squadrons... or Alphabet Squadron which has seen a slight uptick thanks to Squadrons tying in with it. Hopefully that wears off...

3: Since the Disney park shut down, Disney has been sitting on a shit load of unsold Galaxy's Edge merchandise (although it can be argued that they were sitting on it even before that) so to make up for losses, they'll be selling their crappy merch over at Target, which apparently includes a new line of merch that they were planning to release at GE to tie in with Plan IX. Among this shit is also the build-a-droid crap which includes a "make your own D-O" which they were also planning for the park but now have to settle for pushing at Target.

4: Disney is also making some sort of Galaxy's Edge VR shit to try and keep interest in it alive since nobody can go their overglorified shopping mall in real life.

I only bring this bit of news up because this might be the last we hear of the failure that is Galaxy's Edge for a long while. I doubt there will be any major news again until the Filonilorian Season 2 and Aladdin's Rebels Part 2 and I'm frankly sick of doing news shit again.

 

[Saxxon]

Chuck Wendig is getting MeToo'd as a rape enabler for not defending some lady he used to know because of some bullshit drama.

That's what the faggot gets for the Archive.org bullcrap he pulled.

Moving to another thing, damn, the Disney consoomers can't catch a break so close to go back to Disney world to then being told that is not going to happen.