2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[ConfederateIrishman]

Appealing to independents requires more than just good arguments. When Tucker gets on air and freaks out about 'Trump is trouble!' it weakens the party's outward appearance of confidence in Trump and success in the election. Lots of independents (and since you said 'us', I'm assuming you're a conservative) and some conservatives are like you and put an oversized emphasis on what various media elites may think. I don't want independents or conservatives watching his show to go 'Hmm, if Tucker doesn't even think they're gonna win, the rest of the base has to feel like that too, right? Maybe voting for Trump will be a wasted vote.' This is wartime conservatism: show no weakness.

And I reject your premise that independents are the most intelligent population in the United States. You simply cannot convince me that intelligent people will seriously entertain that Biden is suitable to be elected President in his current state.


Even though I disagree with a lot of what Tucker says I don't consider it propaganda or him a propagandist. So I reject that too.


My personal attacks? Your entire first response was dripping with condescension. Here's some of what you wrote:


Line after line of bad faith and stupid gotchas questions like you're Jim Acosta. So you can get fucked.

Mad because Tucker is criticizing Trump

 

[heyitsmike]

Mad because Tucker is criticizing Trump

No, I just don't think Tucker Carlson is the be all end all. Apparently that's a crime.

I think the Congressional GOP are a bunch of spineless neocons grifters. Yet when Tucker kept going off on 'Why aren't they doing anything?' I disagreed with him there, too. And it's certainly not because I like most of the Republicans in Congress or I'm defending their honor. It's that for once I am perfectly happy with them doing nothing. I want them to sit back and let the Democrats destroy themselves and their cities and states.

It's not some huge offense when, God forbid, someone disagrees with Tucker Carlson.

 

[FunPosting101]

The black vote is a lost cause after the riots started. Just go for the Hispanics and Asians is a better choice and pick up the few based black people votes on the side. And I can guarantee other minorities also hate niggers as well since their businesses got hit.

I don't like having to agree with this, but sadly you're probably right that the Black vote is a lost cause in this election. Maybe Trump's outreach to them will be more about making them not vote for Biden?

 

[MrJokerRager]

No, I just don't think Tucker Carlson is the be all end all. Apparently that's a crime.

I think the Congressional GOP are a bunch of spineless neocons grifters. Yet when Tucker kept going off on 'Why aren't they doing anything?' I disagreed with him there, too. And it's certainly not because I like most of the Republicans in Congress or I'm defending their honor. It's that for once I am perfectly happy with them doing nothing. I want them to sit back and let the Democrats destroy themselves and their cities and states.

It's not some huge offense when, God forbid, someone disagrees with Tucker Carlson.

I think Tucker is more of a ideologue and less of a tactician or strategist. He wants that whole mulitcultural dream that was in California during the 1980s and 1990s type of stuff. Plus he is a elite himself so this destruction of symbols of American history is disturbing to him greatly. A tactician or strategist like Razorfist for example argued that don't worry and this is the far left base exposing themselves to America and how full of doodoo they are despite Democratic and Soros backing.

 

[jje100010001]

A terrifying vision of a Biden + House + Senate victory. These are horrifyingly possible, and another reminder that 2020 may prove to have even higher stakes for the future of America than 2016:

https://twitter.com/gloamingwhale/status/1276631429582065665

 

[MrJokerRager]

A terrifying vision of a Biden + House + Senate victory:

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https://twitter.com/gloamingwhale/status/1276631429582065665

So this is the pipeline for how woke progressive neoliberalism leads us to fascism.

 

[FunPosting101]

A terrifying vision of a Biden + House + Senate victory:

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https://twitter.com/gloamingwhale/status/1276631429582065665

Well if the enthusiasm for Trump and the fact that Trump's voters are actually voting for him is any indication, this probably isn't going to happen. Which is a good thing too, since some of that shit reads like the kind of stuff that would touch off a new civil war depending on how vigorous the dems were about pursuing their agenda.

 

[heyitsmike]

Plus he is a elite himself so this destruction of symbols of American history is disturbing to him greatly.

This is what I was saying in the TDS thread. While people like Tucker are fellow conservative travelers, his 'elite' experience is not like that of the base. Though the left sees us all as the same kind of deplorables, he's way more squeamish than the people watching him on TV.

And once again the collective wisdom of the base proves itself to be better than that of a bunch of high paid poltical pundits. People who work jobs like Tucker Carlson or Ben Shapiro or Erick Erickson, the kind where you don't even need to shower after a day's work, have overly cerebral ways of approaching personal conflicts.

They're the kind of people, that if some unknown person was repeatedly stealing food from the office refrigerator, they'd address everyone and ask them to stop. Or they'd put a note on the door that said the same. Or they'd send an email to HR.

Tucker's audience is the kind of people that would make Ex-Lax brownies, stick them in the refrigerator, set back and let nature run its course.

 

[MrJokerRager]

This is what I was saying in the TDS thread. While people like Tucker are fellow conservative travelers, his 'elite' experience is not like that of the base. Though the left sees us all as the same kind of deplorables, he's way more squeamish than the people watching him on TV.

I would like to add thought, his monologues are the reason my folks switched from watching CNN and MSNBC everyday to more FOX News lately just for news on the riots. They did not believe me at first that these protests are more than just "peaceful". A couple of Tucker monologues on Youtube and clips of rioters and looters as well as the demands of BLM changed their view of Trump real quick to more positive side than negative.

I believe they were more mad at CNN and MSNBC just plainly hiding the truth to allow destruction of Law and Order.

 

[jje100010001]

Well if the enthusiasm for Trump and the fact that Trump's voters are actually voting for him is any indication, this probably isn't going to happen. Which is a good thing too, since some of that shit reads like the kind of stuff that would touch off a new civil war depending on how vigorous the dems were about pursuing their agenda.

100%, which is voting for Trump is a must, policy over personality, but the fact that this is entirely plausible if the election goes south has to serve as a reminder that even if we reassure ourselves that something like this can't happen, things can go very bad very quickly if the wrong people get their hands on the levers of power.

https://twitter.com/antoniogm/status/1276886739496210432

 

[Jarolleon]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1276995624588709888

Welp. Just in case you were wondering why the media is suddenly very, very interested in talking about ANYTHING other than the riots... Trump's first campaign ad about them just hit.

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They want to memory-hole the riots because of this? This makes them look pretty badass from the far-left echo chamber point of view, like that time a Nazi propagandist drew Churchill as a gangster. It looks like far left revolutionary propaganda if you don't pay attention to the text. Maybe the intent is to have a bunch of far-left Twitter loons gloat about this, thereby revealing their nature to the normies?

IMO the problem is that a huge portion of America doesn't have the time, desire, or the smarts to suss out the actual truth- the 'do it themselves' portion of the statement. This comes especially at a time when MSM has essentially created so much static from discarded narratives and conflicting headlines that the truth takes time to pick out.

1. Possesses a brain with the ability to recall past events, analyze new information and draw conclusions.
Not everyone has the time to remember all the recent events going on, and voter attention span is very short. Does anyone remember how Pelosi tried stuffing airline emission standards into the Coronavirus stimulus bill? Will anyone remember how the Democrats intentionally torpedoed Tim Scott's police reform bill a few months from now? I bet even politically aware voters won't be able to completely remember what happened in the last few years except for the headlines, and Trump is at a disadvantage here as his accomplishments are buried in negative headlines.

2. Possesses two eyes to see the polling charts and what is happening in the country.
People (esp. Boomers) may still hold onto beliefs from long ago that polls are conducted by 'more knowledgable people'. Again, polls also offer enough room for people to squeeze their preconceptions into and rationalize.

3. Possesses two ears to hear what others are saying and the narratives being spun by the media.
People (esp. Boomers) may still hold onto beliefs from long ago that MSM is 'more informed' than the public. It also is very difficult breaking narrative trances, as it requires that you tell yourself that you're wrong, and to escape the walled garden and seek out countervailing facts (which themselves are intentionally hidden away). Secondly, we should be considering that voters will not have the entire picture at all times- they may miss out on MSM posting conflicting headlines, the actual truth in the body of the article, or MSM apologies/retractions.

Trump voters will seek the knowledge out themselves, but winning the election requires more than just core support. IMO, a talking head like Tucker is a necessary 'evil' in directly taking the message to the nonaligned voters, especially the moderates who don't pay that much attention to politics.



Possible tactic may be to target Black voters not primarily for their votes, but to dissuade them from being energized by the Democrats and to depress turnout. Trump needs to also energize his white voter base, especially the 'Blue Dog' working-class cohort he picked up in 2016 IMO.

Hispanics are going to be equally tough to get, but targeting long-time Hispanic communities like the Tejanos in Texas over recent migrants may work better. I think Asians may be a good sector to pick up, but younger Asians may be harder largely because they are primarily urban-dwellers, and went through the progressive educational pipeline (i.e. Sarah Jeong).

Yes, false-flag attacks should be 100% expected now as the protests lose their momentum. While most of the campaign is out of our hands, this is something where online users can actually have an impact.

It's Trump supporters' duties to discover the false flags and to spread the truth across social media to defuse progressive narratives- i.e. like how the Nascar hoax was quickly countered by the facts and photos.

Not only are the countervailing facts intentionally hidden away, you're also taught that the "smart thing" to do is dismiss them as conspiracy theories and fake news. It doesn't help that a lot of the sites that publish them are full of trashy advertisements, suggesting to the reader that this is the internet equivalent of those magazines you see at the checkout. They've rather successfully exploited the "Alternative facts" gaffe & the "muh Russia" narrative to create the impression that the very existence of a counter-narrative is an alarmingly subversive disintegration of our common understanding, and that they're the enlightened ones for sticking to the "actual facts" in this time of widespread deceit and division. Why should they listen to anything we say, we're all Putinist dupes who take National Enquirer-tier fakery for truth. Why should we listen to anything they say, they're all MSM dupes who take clickbait coverage of communist academia as "Science". This gap makes it all more tempting just to slink into our echo chambers and mock their loudest idiots, just like I'm doing.

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1276995624588709888

Welp. Just in case you were wondering why the media is suddenly very, very interested in talking about ANYTHING other than the riots... Trump's first campaign ad about them just hit.

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The ad is good but falls apart at the end when they say “vote for Trump to stop it.” That works if you’re the challenger but not the incumbent. Even more interesting is that in the last month, I was told by many here that Trump doing nothing results in maximum lib ownage. So I’m curious why this ad is effective except to get whites pissed off about chimping negroes...and the President who tweeted while cities were burning.

 

[Marissa Moira]

Tucker's black pill monologues are to set you up for the redemption arc of Trump so you'll go out and vote.

 

[MrJokerRager]

The ad is good but falls apart at the end when they say “vote for Trump to stop it.” That works if you’re the challenger but not the incumbent. Even more interesting is that in the last month, I was told by many here that Trump doing nothing results in maximum lib ownage. So I’m curious why this ad is effective except to get whites pissed off about chimping negroes...and the President who tweeted while cities were burning.

Trump did allow the governors and mayors to use the National Guard as well as maybe use the insurrection act of 1807 but all the liberals, rinos and progressives just got even more super butthurt. Plus they happening in strong blue areas so I don't know how much goodwill would he get back given how liberals are outspoken snakes these days.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

The ad is good but falls apart at the end when they say “vote for Trump to stop it.” That works if you’re the challenger but not the incumbent. Even more interesting is that in the last month, I was told by many here that Trump doing nothing results in maximum lib ownage. So I’m curious why this ad is effective except to get whites pissed off about chimping negroes...and the President who tweeted while cities were burning.

Because the cities that the chimping was happening in were almost all massive democrat strongholds.

In his Normal Trump way he was laying out "This is what Democrats in charge gets you."

It isn't how i would do it, but it is a very effective message.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

When and why did this thread devolve into discussing the big-brained strategems and 4D chess moves of a fucking media talking head?

 

[spiritofamermaid]

When and why did this thread devolve into discussing the big-brained strategems and 4D chess moves of a fucking media talking head?

Probably when we realized that Trump was going against Biden, aka the most non-existent presidential candidate since... actually idk when in history this would parallel. I guess maybe whoever tries to run against Maduro when he holds a pretend election?

 

[FuckedUp]

Gonna dive into this thread without catching up to say I just found out about Jo Jorgensen. Despite being the libertarian party, I nervously punched her name appended by "coronavirus" into Google and...
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JORGENSEN: Well, the Libertarian administration first wouldn't have put everybody under house arrest. We believe in individual freedom and that people should be able to go about their lives as they choose.

I REALLY wish I could vote for her, but I'm too afraid of Biden winning to not vote for Trump.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

When and why did this thread devolve into discussing the big-brained strategems and 4D chess moves of a fucking media talking head?

That is kinda all elections are these days.

 

[MrJokerRager]

When and why did this thread devolve into discussing the big-brained strategems and 4D chess moves of a fucking media talking head?

Probably when we realized that Trump was going against Biden, aka the most non-existent presidential candidate since... actually idk when in history this would parallel. I guess maybe whoever tries to run against Maduro when he holds a pretend election?

HA Goodmen keeps insisting Hillary Clinton will be the democratic nominee in 2020. I just don't see how but we are in a unorthodox volatile unpredictable election year full of censorship and noise.

Biden's VP could be either Susan Rice or Kamala Harris if the plan is to have Biden run.