2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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FFS, why do you people value this guy so much? He's a joke.
The opinions of the Talking Heads must be heeded. They are our betters, they are our masters, and without them we would have no opinions of our own. How could we form an original thought without the help of the T.V. Man? How would we access and interpret new information if not for the machine that tells us what to know and what to think about it?

What you ask is impossible. There is no need for originality; surrender yourself to the opinions of the Dipshit.
 
The opinions of the Talking Heads must be heeded. They are our betters, they are our masters, and without them we would have no opinions of our own. How could we form an original thought without the help of the T.V. Man? How would we access and interpret new information if not for the machine that tells us what to know and what to think about it?

What you ask is impossible. There is no need for originality; surrender yourself to the opinions of the Dipshit.

And I suppose someone of that mindset would believe the world hasn't existed until the 20th century when television became a thing.
 
The opinions of the Talking Heads must be heeded. They are our betters, they are our masters, and without them we would have no opinions of our own. How could we form an original thought without the help of the T.V. Man? How would we access and interpret new information if not for the machine that tells us what to know and what to think about it?

What you ask is impossible. There is no need for originality; surrender yourself to the opinions of the Dipshit.
Don't worry, I caught the sarcasm. Completely agree with you. Let's compare.

1. Possesses a brain with the ability to recall past events, analyze new information and draw conclusions.
Tucker Carlson ✅ 65+ million Trump voters ✅

2. Possesses two eyes to see the polling charts and what is happening in the country.
Tucker Carlson ✅ 65+ million Trump voters ✅

3. Possesses two ears to hear what others are saying and the narratives being spun by the media.
Tucker Carlson ✅ 65+ million Trump voters ✅

Why does anyone need Tucker Carlson to do what they can do themselves? He doesn't have any tools or information that the rest of us don't have. This ain't the Democratic Party electorate we're talking about, who will believe their own party is full of Russian agents just because a talking head said so.
 
Don't worry, I caught the sarcasm. Completely agree with you. Let's compare.

1. Possesses a brain with the ability to recall past events, analyze new information and draw conclusions.
Tucker Carlson ✅ 65+ million Trump voters ✅

2. Possesses two eyes to see the polling charts and what is happening in the country.
Tucker Carlson ✅ 65+ million Trump voters ✅

3. Possesses two ears to hear what others are saying and the narratives being spun by the media.
Tucker Carlson ✅ 65+ million Trump voters ✅

Why does anyone need Tucker Carlson to do what they can do themselves? He doesn't have any tools or information that the rest of us don't have. This ain't the Democratic Party electorate we're talking about, who will believe their own party is full of Russian agents just because a talking head said so.
People don't have enough time to look into politics, a lot of us are even lucky to have the free time discuss and research these things on a forum. And moreover Tucker is just smarter than the average person. Imagine how smart the average person is and then think how half the population is below average intelligence. People need Tucker to inform them because, quite honestly, people don't think for themselves.

And not to say that I'm "above this," but I believe I'm making a truthful observation about most people and the average person.
 
People need Tucker to inform them because, quite honestly, people don't think for themselves.
Informing people is not the same thing as telling people what to think. And unlike the Democratic Party electorate, I do think most Republican voters think for themselves. Almost the entire right wing media and establishment was opposed to Trump before he won the nomination anyway. The base on the whole didn't give a damn about the opinions of a bunch of talking heads then and they don't now. Tucker may be smarter than the average person, but I don't think he's smarter than the average Republican voter. More informed, sure. More capable assessing the situation, hardly. Sorry, I just simply do not have a high opinion of journalists.

Elections are won with the votes of Tucker's audience, not Tucker.
 
Informing people is not the same thing as telling people what to think. And unlike the Democratic Party electorate, I do think most Republican voters think for themselves. Almost the entire right wing media and establishment was opposed to Trump before he won the nomination anyway. The base on the whole didn't give a damn about the opinions of a bunch of talking heads then and they don't now. Tucker may be smarter than the average person, but I don't think he's smarter than the average Republican voter. More informed, sure. More capable assessing the situation, hardly. Sorry, I just simply do not have a high opinion of journalists.

Elections are won with the votes of Tucker's audience, not Tucker.
Well if republicans think for themselves then obviously there would be no problem with media censorship or the overwhelming left wing bias in the media because the republicans aren't influenced by it. But that is obviously a ridiculous position to take, everyone on the right wants these companies to stop censoring them, but if the average republican thinks for himself then why bother trying to spread conservative ideas?

And do you think that these conservatives have been conned into watching Tucker? For what reason would an ideologically self sufficient person listen to a pundit speak? Or is it just thing of the human condition where humans do pointless things just cause
 
Good grief. You're not nearly as smart as you think you sound.
Well if republicans think for themselves then obviously there would be no problem with media censorship or the overwhelming left wing bias in the media because the republicans aren't influenced by it. But that is obviously a ridiculous position to take, everyone on the right wants these companies to stop censoring them, but if the average republican thinks for himself then why bother trying to spread conservative ideas?
You realize that there are people called independents, right? That means that they are neither Republican or Democrat. Those people can be won over if exposed to right wing arguments. But that overwhelming left wing bias prevents the media from presenting our case fairly, let alone positively.

And do you think that these conservatives have been conned into watching Tucker?
Why would you think that I believe anyone who watch Tucker has been conned into it? How does that even logically follow?

For what reason would an ideologically self sufficient person listen to a pundit speak? Or is it just thing of the human condition where humans do pointless things just cause
The same reasons anyone listens to someone else with a difference of opinion. To be exposed to new ideas. Clarify your own opinions. Ensure you're not in a bubble. Understand the arguments of people who disagree with you.

Were those supposed to be gotcha questions? Poor effort. I rate 0/10.
 
  • More 2016 veterans: Good idea
  • More Kushner: Questionable at best, though Kushner did assemble the 2016 data systems
  • Parscale taking on more of side role: Effectiveness TBD- there may not be enough time to experiment
  • Focusing on more black voters over more 2016 electoral planks: Effectiveness TBD as it might be argued that strengthening white turnout may be more effective
  • Trying to persuade Trump to discipline himself on Twitter: Good idea
On another noted, the first line, "Donald Trump knows he's losing." is an attempt to set reader preconceptions before they read the rest of the article. Very typical of modern journalism.
 
Not worth it's own thread and may be late but I just saw this.

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Don't know the details but if this really is a shift away from requiring a college approval to actual skills based hiring I think this is a good move and it shows Trump understands the current situation of academia today. And it allows people to go into government careers without crippling loan debt.

Also, Ivanka's hot.
 
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Imagine being so far to the left that you accidentally turn your Iwo Jima parody into less Norman Rockwell and more Socialist Realism. Also it seems this Michael D'Antuono guy has been painting a constant stream of batshit crazy agitprop since the ascension of Black Jesus (and yes, he draws him exactly as such!). Might be a decent source of content or full on lolcow. His Youtube channel is pretty cringe too but obscure.
It's funny how much Biden staff have been scrambling to copy Trump's rhetoric. It's also hilarious that they start doing it right at the time when positivity and hopefulness is most likely seen as denial of current events (as it's a bunch of "la la la everything's great").

Right now Trump's rhetoric seems to be "hey things are tough right now but vote for me/Republicans and we will get back to the amazing America we had right before the kung flu"

It's also interesting because right now people want a strongman, as they are scared and worried about current events and are looking for a leader. While Biden's staff is saying things about how we are strong, it feels very much like a pansy weak-wristed wimp saying it.

While the messages are admittedly somewhat similar, the WAY they say them (Biden in his sanctuary city basement and through online tweets, while Trump is out in public) influences said message.

Also I know I quoted a message from the TDS thread but since it was about the election I felt it was more appropriate to post here.
 
  • More 2016 veterans: Good idea
  • More Kushner: Questionable at best, though Kushner did assemble the 2016 data systems
  • Parscale taking on more of side role: Effectiveness TBD- there may not be enough time to experiment
  • Focusing on more black voters over more 2016 electoral planks: Effectiveness TBD as it might be argued that strengthening white turnout may be more effective
  • Trying to persuade Trump to discipline himself on Twitter: Good idea
On another noted, the first line, "Donald Trump knows he's losing." is an attempt to set reader preconceptions before they read the rest of the article. Very typical of modern journalism.
The black vote is a lost cause after the riots started. Just go for the Hispanics and Asians is a better choice and pick up the few based black people votes on the side. And I can guarantee other minorities also hate niggers as well since their businesses got hit.

Also also ANTIFA or some other leftists or feds may be trying false flags like some sikh owned store in New Mexico all of a sudden getting vandalized with Trump 2020 and Fuck ISIS graffiti. After 3 weeks of the riots and majority of the right hates niggers at this point.
 
Good grief. You're not nearly as smart as you think you sound.

You realize that there are people called independents, right? That means that they are neither Republican or Democrat. Those people can be won over if exposed to right wing arguments. But that overwhelming left wing bias prevents the media from presenting our case fairly, let alone positively.


Why would you think that I believe anyone who watch Tucker has been conned into it? How does that even logically follow?


The same reasons anyone listens to someone else with a difference of opinion. To be exposed to new ideas. Clarify your own opinions. Ensure you're not in a bubble. Understand the arguments of people who disagree with you.

Were those supposed to be gotcha questions? Poor effort. I rate 0/10.
your point was that Tucker isn't really important to public discourse because he has the same capabilities as everyone else. And changing the minds of independents is the key to winning elections, however if people are smart enough to think on their own (independents are statistically the most intelligent population in the US) then you would expect them to reach the right conclusion. But they don't because media acts as propaganda to indoctrinate rather than allow people to be informed.

The importance of Tucker is that he is right wing propaganda, but moreover he is good right wing propaganda. People grow disillusioned with the left because their narratives don't match reality, but Tucker's narrative match reality well enough so that people grow fond of him. Tucker is a good writer and a good orator, and therefore a good propagandist.

You may be against "propaganda," but these tactics allow us to win. And I'm also not impressed by your veiled personal attacks
 
Why does anyone need Tucker Carlson to do what they can do themselves? He doesn't have any tools or information that the rest of us don't have. This ain't the Democratic Party electorate we're talking about, who will believe their own party is full of Russian agents just because a talking head said so.
IMO the problem is that a huge portion of America doesn't have the time, desire, or the smarts to suss out the actual truth- the 'do it themselves' portion of the statement. This comes especially at a time when MSM has essentially created so much static from discarded narratives and conflicting headlines that the truth takes time to pick out.

1. Possesses a brain with the ability to recall past events, analyze new information and draw conclusions.
Not everyone has the time to remember all the recent events going on, and voter attention span is very short. Does anyone remember how Pelosi tried stuffing airline emission standards into the Coronavirus stimulus bill? Will anyone remember how the Democrats intentionally torpedoed Tim Scott's police reform bill a few months from now? I bet even politically aware voters won't be able to completely remember what happened in the last few years except for the headlines, and Trump is at a disadvantage here as his accomplishments are buried in negative headlines.

2. Possesses two eyes to see the polling charts and what is happening in the country.
People (esp. Boomers) may still hold onto beliefs from long ago that polls are conducted by 'more knowledgable people'. Again, polls also offer enough room for people to squeeze their preconceptions into and rationalize.

3. Possesses two ears to hear what others are saying and the narratives being spun by the media.
People (esp. Boomers) may still hold onto beliefs from long ago that MSM is 'more informed' than the public. It also is very difficult breaking narrative trances, as it requires that you tell yourself that you're wrong, escape the informational walled garden, and seek out countervailing facts (which themselves are intentionally hidden away). Secondly, we should be considering that voters will not have the entire picture at all times- they may miss out on MSM posting conflicting headlines, the actual truth in the body of the article, or MSM apologies/retractions.

Trump voters will seek the knowledge out themselves, but winning the election requires more than just core support. IMO, a talking head like Tucker is a necessary 'evil' in directly taking the message to the nonaligned voters, especially the moderates who don't pay that much attention to politics.

The black vote is a lost cause after the riots started. Just go for the Hispanics and Asians is a better choice and pick up the few based black people votes on the side. And I can guarantee other minorities also hate niggers as well since their businesses got hit.

Also also ANTIFA or some other leftists or feds may be trying false flags like some sikh owned store in New Mexico all of a sudden getting vandalized with Trump 2020 and Fuck ISIS graffiti. After 3 weeks of the riots and majority of the right hates niggers at this point.

Possible tactic may be to target Black voters not primarily for their votes, but to dissuade them from being energized by the Democrats and to depress turnout. Trump needs to also energize his white voter base, especially the 'Blue Dog' working-class cohort he picked up in 2016 IMO.

Hispanics are going to be equally tough to get, but targeting long-time Hispanic communities like the Tejanos in Texas over recent migrants may work better. I think Asians may be a good sector to pick up, but younger Asians may be harder largely because they are primarily urban-dwellers, and went through the progressive educational pipeline (i.e. Sarah Jeong).

Yes, false-flag attacks should be 100% expected now as the protests lose their momentum. While most of the campaign is out of our hands, this is something where online users can actually have an impact.

It's Trump supporters' duties to discover the false flags and to spread the truth across social media to defuse progressive narratives- i.e. like how the Nascar hoax was quickly countered by the facts and photos.
 
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And changing the minds of independents is the key to winning elections, however if people are smart enough to think on their own (independents are statistically the most intelligent population in the US) then you would expect them to reach the right conclusion.
Appealing to independents requires more than just good arguments. When Tucker gets on air and freaks out about 'Trump is trouble!' it weakens the party's outward appearance of confidence in Trump and success in the election. Lots of independents (and since you said 'us', I'm assuming you're a conservative) and some conservatives are like you and put an oversized emphasis on what various media elites may think. I don't want independents or conservatives watching his show to go 'Hmm, if Tucker doesn't even think they're gonna win, the rest of the base has to feel like that too, right? Maybe voting for Trump will be a wasted vote.' This is wartime conservatism: show no weakness.

And I reject your premise that independents are the most intelligent population in the United States. You simply cannot convince me that intelligent people will seriously entertain that Biden is suitable to be elected President in his current state.

The importance of Tucker is that he is right wing propaganda, but moreover he is good right wing propaganda. People grow disillusioned with the left because their narratives don't match reality, but Tucker's narrative match reality well enough so that people grow fond of him. Tucker is a good writer and a good orator, and therefore a good propagandist.
Even though I disagree with a lot of what Tucker says I don't consider it propaganda or him a propagandist. So I reject that too.

And I'm also not impressed by your veiled personal attacks
My personal attacks? Your entire first response was dripping with condescension. Here's some of what you wrote:
But that is obviously a ridiculous position to take
Or is it just thing of the human condition where humans do pointless things just cause
Line after line of bad faith and stupid gotchas questions like you're Jim Acosta. So you can get fucked.
 

Welp. Just in case you were wondering why the media is suddenly very, very interested in talking about ANYTHING other than the riots... Trump's first campaign ad about them just hit.

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I always wonder why there's dramatic music in the background, IMO having silence and simply editing the video part would make it more striking because it would look way less like an action movie
 
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