Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Analog Devolved]

@Mister Dongs Having the Pres of Dynamite pop up is nothing new

Spoiler: Here is a pic of him bidding for Cecil's crapping drawing.

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As I pointed out some dozen so pages ago, Dynamite has been using CG and friends to attack their competitors. Funny how despite them flooding out 90+ variant covers of Vampirella #1, they didn't get any flak from the normal suspects.

Kyle Ritter's Starblades is 7 months late, another one breaking that 3 month deilvery indiegogo TOS right @VIkkiVerse

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Spoiler: In comic bookish news, Marvel will be doing Predator and Alien comics.

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Gotta use that nostalgia bait otherwise *chop* *chop*

I wonder how many #metoo allegations this Alien shit is going to prompt as pros fight over the ever shrinking number of jobs available. I don't know how this is going to increase their sales it was middling at best for dark horse. Also no more Archie crossover events. Now it will be "squirrel girl meets the predator".

Don't get my hopes up like that! I thought you had that faggot Cecils dox for a minute there.

Kyle Ritter is comicsgate. The "gate" is your asshole and the "comics" are the dick they keep raping you with when you expect your comic on time.
Again, terrible look for a "professional" when TUG does a better job getting his shit out on time.
Ritters claim to fame is he replaced Moose Baumann as Ethan's colorist so you know he's a retard. So glad I didn't back any of this shit.

Now, onto the latest #metoo allegation in comics. This is another one against Dark Horse/Oni Press
Jon Richardson and Andrew McIntire.
This is extremely long so I'm spoilering it.

It reads like a disgruntled black employee who is mad his former bosses were dicks to him. Nothing sexual here or even racist. In today's cancel culture expect more of these long ass treatise essays on why working in comics is shit.

Tl;Dr version: my boss is a racist because he's an asshole.

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[Absurdity]

As I pointed out some dozen so pages ago, Dynamite has been using CG and friends to attack their competitors. Funny how despite them flooding out 90+ variant covers of Vampirella #1, they didn't get any flak from the normal suspects.

Kyle Ritter's Starblades is 7 months late, another one breaking that 3 month deilvery indiegogo TOS right @VIkkiVerse

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Spoiler: In comic bookish news, Marvel will be doing Predator and Alien comics.

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Gotta use that nostalgia bait otherwise *chop* *chop*

Sometimes it's worth the wait. I'm apt to give Kyle some space as he is one of the bigger talents with one of the lesser egos. A little strange in his downtime, but whatever.

I'm thinking about the biggest industry trend that spelled doom for the tried and true monthly superhero comic and it wasn't the SJW. It was the march to the movies. Film was always the logical next time and pretty early on we had plenty of live action versions of the big two. 60s Batman was a big leap forward, and that movie helped start the crank moving for the post-studio system/pre-blockbuster era. Superman 78 bumped gave us the first blockbuster, but it wasn't until Batman 89 and TMNT 90 that people really started to see potential for everyone aside from Superman getting a shot. Stan Lee was always trying to get Marvel in the cinematic door in his position as Marvel's brand spokesman. Obviously things shot right through the roof in 2008, but what really started to happen is that comic books started to feel like forced studio pitches for movies. Disney has been absolutely obsessed with inserting social progressivism into their properties and Captain Marvel, female Thor, Kamala Khan felt like something that was (wo)mandated from the top. DC had less interference from Warner, but once Marvel really began running away with the Box Office, DC started to trend chase in all the same ways.

Now that the big 2 have been run by gigantic media conglomerates for a long time now, I don't think it's accurate to call them leaders of the comic industry. Their industry is big corporation, big studio, brand-building. The industry that grew up around newsstands and the local five-and-dime was gone for awhile. It tried to stay alive with the comic shops and for a while it did, but became increasingly at odds with the parasitic hosts of Warner Media & Disney.

The real industry is the small time independent crowd funded creators as far as I'm concerned. It is a cottage industry, but one that is trying to crawl out from under the rubble. When I see guys like Ethan try to take the comics tent-community and try to give them dreams of a big-tent revival without any clear candidate for a box office draw, or regular monthly issues, and charging movie theater prices for comic books that take longer to make than most feature-length films, I have to laugh... mostly at the paypigs. but also at the sheer greed and manipulative tactics of Sciverfrog, and then at myself for leaving the tinfoil on for so long.

 

[Smug Freiza]

Comicsgate entertainment is getting stagnant, hell, things have gotten so boring even I made a channel.

Then I had an idea how things could get spiced up again.

EVS should copy Preston's idea but do it better.

Instead of throwing down 2k to fund a new comic, do 4k instead and turn it into an event. It could be kinda like Shark Tank or Dragon's Den. There could be a panel of judges too.

Submissions come in the same form as you'd do for if you were submitting to Image or Dark horse, at least the first 6 pages done or the first chapter already scripted out ready for an artist.

The 3 finalists could have a poll online for fans to vote for, so at the end of the day it's the Comicsgate fans who choose the winner of the contest.

I think it could be fun, it would breathe in some excitement again and it would help grow Comicsgate.

Despite your "dumb" and "optimistic" ratings I actually agree that it would be a good idea. It appear's to be going well for Poulter and a bunch of new creators have flocked to him, despite recent revelations. It would be a good way of getting the viewers to feel included, promote some upcoming talent and show good will towards the community. Poulter's contest is being judge by him, Vikki and Zombienomicon though I'm unsure of the rules or terms, or whether Preston has veto power.

Having a poll where the fans choose could be an interesting idea but could leave Comicsgate open to raiding from anti-CG, Warcampaign or trolls. I'm not sure it would work as well as a panel of judges.

Problem is Ethan is nothing but a greedy narcissist who never does anything without it serving himself, his response to you should be self evident of that.

Kyle Ritter's Starblades is 7 months late, another one breaking that 3 month deilvery indiegogo TOS right @VIkkiVerse

I guess coloring all those Frog comics is affecting Kyle's own project, bad move. I think people are starting to get sick of these extended delays, especially in regards to Sovereign, Brand and Red Rooster. Kyle should focus on his own book and leave Ethan's until he finishes his own project, people paid him over 150K to deliver a book on time.

In comic bookish news, Marvel will be doing Predator and Alien comics.

Another license Dark Horse has lost? Marvel seems to be picking those guys clean lately after the loss of Star Wars.

Kyle Ritter is comicsgate. The "gate" is your asshole and the "comics" are the dick they keep raping you with when you expect your comic on time.
Again, terrible look for a "professional" when TUG does a better job getting his shit out on time.
Ritters claim to fame is he replaced Moose Baumann as Ethan's colorist so you know he's a retard. So glad I didn't back any of this shit.

Now, onto the latest #metoo allegation in comics. This is another one against Dark Horse/Oni Press

Speaking of #metoo allegations and Kyle Ritter, there was a rumor floating around a few months ago. I neglected to mention it since I don't have any receipts to prove it but it can't hurt to talk about it now.

Remember how Ro and Warcampaign randomly acquired lewd pictures and video of Mandy Summers a few months back? Her and Peter Gilmore were freaking out about it on twitter. Apparently word on the street is that Kyler Ritter provided Ro with those lewds on the condition he not share them. It's theorized that Mandy sent those lewds to Kyle as "payment" for his work on Mandy's Wart the Wizard campaign. There was also some dust up between Kyle and his translator Shae Zombie and a rumor that Ashley Lewis (TUGs wife) was involved, this too could be cause for the delays on his book.

Take it with a grain of salt, if anyone else knows more or has receipts feel free to contribute.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

To be fair, Ritter had a medical emergency earlier this year and that put a significant delay in producing Starblades.

 

[FROG]

Kyle had Coronavirus. He's still not 100%.

But he posts updates and art constantly, and it looks great.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

Problem is Ethan is nothing but a greedy narcissist who never does anything without it serving himself, his response to you should be self evident of that.

Exactly, Ethan done it three years ago and he pushed out the actual conservatives, backed shitty or canceled books and it's now a cope stream with Cecil, malin and Dan (who will be gone in a year or two.)

 

[Newman's Own]

Exactly, Ethan done it three years ago and he pushed out the actual conservatives, backed shitty or canceled books and it's now a cope stream with Cecil, malin and Dan (who will be gone in a year or two.)

@Mister Dongs you listened to Ethan's stream the other night. What's your impression of Shane Davis? Will he be suitably compliant on stream with FROG and last like Jon, Cecil, the Adam's(P&F) and all the other yes men or will he be to uppity and push back when he disagrees like the Doug's (T&E), Mike and Tim?

And I guess the same question would apply to Fragga...

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

@Mister Dongs you listened to Ethan's stream the other night. What's your impression of Shane Davis? Will he be suitably compliant on stream with FROG and last like Jon, Cecil, the Adam's(P&F) and all the other yes men or will he be to uppity and push back when he disagrees like the Doug's (T&E), Mike and Tim?

And I guess the same question would apply to Fragga...

If they're smart they'll do whatever it takes to gain a customer base and get paid, or better put, not do anything to drive away a customer base and not get paid. Welcome to the real world.

 

[Mister Dongs]

Comicsgate entertainment is getting stagnant, hell, things have gotten so boring even I made a channel.

Then I had an idea how things could get spiced up again.

EVS should copy Preston's idea but do it better.

While I agree that things have calmed down now that we're fresh from another Comicsgate schism and that the main source of ideological friction within Comicsgate has been resolved, Preston has yet to establish that this novel idea for Comicsgate™ - holding a submission contest - is a successful one that invites imitation by Frog. All credit due to Preston for experimenting and innovating new ways of engaging customers and fans, it's this willingness to think up and personally attempt new ideas (like the openGPL trademark) that elevate him beyond a mere detractor.

If it's a winning idea I have little doubt Frog will someday "borrow" it wholesale, like his announced intent to set up an fan-contributed anthology book for Cyberfrog in the style of Dead Beats or Maybe Someday in the future.

@Mister Dongs you listened to Ethan's stream the other night. What's your impression of Shane Davis? Will he be suitably compliant on stream with FROG and last like Jon, Cecil, the Adam's(P&F) and all the other yes men or will he be to uppity and push back when he disagrees like the Doug's (T&E), Mike and Tim?

And I guess the same question would apply to Fragga...

It was a crowded 10-man stream so there wasn't much time to get a real close look at Shane Davis; only two things really caught my eye 1) this motherfucker has a $500+ audio rig set up for youtubing so you know he's committed 2) his decision to let his Comicsgate flag fly was when Frog cleared one million dollars in a crowdfund.

I don't see any of these people getting into a dispute with Frog over what Comicsgate really is in the way that happened in the past, one because measured by success, Frog's ways are generally accepted as the correct ways of doing things more than ever, and second because most of the conflicts of the past weren't instigated by Frog but between the person in question and someone like either WC or Cecil, and Frog being dragged into it.

As things stand now, the biggest likelihood for conflict in the future is one of the few remaining prominent non-pros with unstable personalities like Cecil having it in for someone who makes him feel inferior like Doug TenNapel did and looking for wedge issues like "inappropriate tweets" and/or manipulating Sketch Therapy into getting a "dispute over Comicsgate values" going. But Cecil has six figures of skin in the game now, has been on the receiving end of what he dished out liberally in the past, but more importantly Sketch is more protected from those who would exploit him these days. I've been covering a lot of mostly irrelevant things lately in CG because these days anyone's guess is as good as mine.

Dan Fraga comes across to me as a guy very much like Frog - a extrovert who pursued a very isolating career in drawing comic books - who's been adjacent to the entertainment industry for years, storyboarding music videos for major bands and rapping as a hobby, but never seemed able to grasp the limelight for himself. Comicsgate is an opportunity for him to realize that dream first and foremost and pursuing some sort of greater purpose beyond that a distant second. Not everyone in Comicsgate has to be some sort of comic book philosopher king, he's welcome to it.

Shane Davis by contrast comes across more like Mike Miller, an opinionated guy who pursued an occupation that offered self-expression only to find himself isolated from the rest of society while corporate discourages him from freely expressing his hot takes. While I doubt Davis is going to go "full Smiller", after reading his tweets and watching his struggling youtube channel I sense the same motivation for his joining.

What's more interesting about Davis is the total silence that his appearance was met with by comics twitter, journos and gatekeepers: Donny Cates was formally reprimanded by Marvel for having his call with Frog broadcasted on a livestream, Shane Davis is Dan Didio's artist while appearing as a guest on ComicArtistPro Secrets but is met with crickets from the establishment, Between this and the silence that Sean Gordon Murphy's "lovebombing of Mags Visaggio" was met with, it shows the plummeting power of the SJW gatekeepers of the comic industry are left with.

Even Joe Quesada, patron of Renfamous, is starting to weigh in on the subject of 'diversity in comics' like some sort of autism-afflicted marine ranting in a parking lot at a comic book in this interview with Christopher Priest, the man that launched a thousand Comicsgate variant covers.

1:31:00 - Joe Q on social media

Quesada: You get into that -thing-, and a lot of that is guided by social media, which to me sometimes is not the real world, and it's certainly not people at the cash register, right? And that's the big fantasy, because I see people with followings that would - oh my god, I can't believe how many followers this person has - but they can't drive people to the cash register.

And remember we were talking about? I said, "inclusion to me isn't bringing in an African-American writer and putting them on an african-american character. To me it's, y'know, an African-american character on a Caucasian female character and we talked about that at length. And while we still have these conversations at Marvel, I remember one of the younger editors said to me 'what happens if the best pitch I get for Black Panther is from a white writer. I said 'Well..."'

Priest: Yeah.... YEAH...

Quesada: '...you should try publishing the book'. And the editor said 'But what happens because social media will destroy us?' I said "You're right, but the way you HAVE to look at it is this: if you have - and this is before Ta'Nehasi had Captain America - if you have an African-american writer on Captain America, y'know, and you have a prominent female writer on Iron Man, then that's inclusion! And eventually it doesn't matter - it's just who's the person that can write that character and we're getting to that world. But those conversations I wa having with editorial, all those stem from our conversations together about why is Priest only getting called to do the African American characters - it was eye-opening to me, you see that change start to happen.'

 

[Analog Devolved]

To be fair, Ritter had a medical emergency earlier this year and that put a significant delay in producing Starblades.

Didn't know that. Hopefully he feels better.

Kyle had Coronavirus. He's still not 100%.

But he posts updates and art constantly, and it looks great.

That explains the delay. I'm not a backer so I didn't get that update. Glad he's feeling better now. Totally makes sense his project was postponed.
With CG I am pessimistic and typically expect the worst. If Ritter had the wuflu I'm glad he's back in action and able to work on comics again.
I retract what I said about him being a retard for being late.

 

[sKr0n]

What's more interesting about Davis is the total silence that his appearance was met with by comics twitter, journos and gatekeepers: Donny Cates was formally reprimanded by Marvel for having his call with Frog broadcasted on a livestream, Shane Davis is Dan Didio's artist while appearing as a guest on ComicArtistPro Secrets but is met with crickets from the establishment, Between this and the silence that Sean Gordon Murphy's "lovebombing of Mags Visaggio" was met with, it shows the plummeting power of the SJW gatekeepers of the comic industry are left with.

I think it has to do with DC typically playing things closer to the chest also, unlike Cates who was heading big events and shaping different corners of Marvel's universe, Shane's footprint is relatively small, my guess is that they just stop giving him new work or at least that is how it will look from the outside.

Spoiler: Comicsperging

I am glad Priest is back somewhat in the limelight even if it's brief, sad it's not because of all the amazing comics he written, political essays, or his religious/community organizing or his experience as a editor but because of this political moment, hopefully he can snag a EiC gig in the nu-Milestone and ride off into the sun set and do what he wants. Also if Milestone comes back just when BLM blows up bigger than ever thats gonna be so telling, Milestone deserved better.

 

[FROG]

While I agree that things have calmed down now that we're fresh from another Comicsgate schism and that the main source of ideological friction within Comicsgate has been resolved, Preston has yet to establish that this novel idea for Comicsgate™ - holding a submission contest - is a successful one that invites imitation by Frog. All credit due to Preston for experimenting and innovating new ways of engaging customers and fans, it's this willingness to think up and personally attempt new ideas (like the openGPL trademark) that elevate him beyond a mere detractor.

If it's a winning idea I have little doubt Frog will someday "borrow" it wholesale, like his announced intent to set up an fan-contributed anthology book for Cyberfrog in the style of Dead Beats or Maybe Someday in the future.

The anthology book would be like DC's Secret Files. I'd hire all of the best talent within ComicsGate (and maybe outside) to draw stories of Vyzpzz invasions on other worlds. A single theme that allows everyone to be creative while still making an organized project.

The idea is to create well-paying, industry standard work for creators that turns a profit for me. It isn't to host a talent show competition that leads people who might not be gainfully employed to work hard for the possibility of a $2000 pay day creating a book that might not have an audience.

But let's see how it goes. Poulter has an idea that will generate excitement in Indie creator circles. Could be fun.

 

[Newman's Own]

If they're smart they'll do whatever it takes to gain a customer base and get paid, or better put, not do anything to drive away a customer base and not get paid. Welcome to the real world.

The surest way to drive away customer base is to get on Ethan's bad side. Being "smart" in CG means kissing Ethan's ass for as long as you want access to his paypigs.

That means swallowing their pride sooner or later. That's a hard pill for some grown men to swallow.

If it's a winning idea I have little doubt Frog will someday "borrow" it wholesale, like his announced intent to set up an fan-contributed anthology book for Cyberfrog in the style of Dead Beats or Maybe Someday in the future.

I'm not sure following that line is a good idea for FROG. There are a lot of pot holes on that road for him I think.

I hope he does a fan contributed anthology but I think he's smarter than that at the end of the day.

The idea is a good one for Preston in his position but it's a very different story for Ethan.

The idea is to create well-paying, industry standard work for creators that turns a profit for me. It isn't to host a talent show competition that leads people who might not be gainfully employed to work hard for the possibility of a $2000 pay day creating a book that might not have an audience.

This makes way more sense. Giving the fans a chance is a dangerous road full of unrealistic expectations Ethan or anyone could not meet.

And a book with pro's would have better quality control and likelihood of profit.

2) his decision to let his Comicsgate flag fly was when Frog cleared one million dollars in a crowdfund.

I'm not sure that isn't a coincidence. I'm sure it's a factor but I suspect it's a minor one. I think if Shane is smart he's looking at Fragga and Malin's numbers way more closely than he's looking at Ethan's.

I don't see any of these people getting into a dispute with Frog over what Comicsgate really is in the way that happened in the past,

Philosophical arguements have been resposible for zero people leaving. It's always been personality conflicts. Everything else is incidental or an excuse.

As things stand now, the biggest likelihood for conflict in the future is one of the few remaining prominent non-pros with unstable personalities like Cecil having it in for someone who makes him feel inferior like Doug TenNapel did and looking for wedge issues like "inappropriate tweets"

I disagree. It wasn't inappropriate tweets that lead to Mike or Doug's excommunication. That was the public excuse but the roots of that tree go much much deeper.

In the end people leave CG one way or another because of Ethan's ego at the end of the day. Everything else is for show.

it shows the plummeting power of the SJW gatekeepers of the comic industry are left with.

The power of SJW gatekeepers is not to be underestimated.

During the recent "pandemic" the SJW's went silent for a while and normal humans started thinking foolishly that they were done and that the reality of a real threat was their swan song. Clearly that isn't the case. The progessive driven violence over the last month is proof the hard left has not gone anywhere.

And they still wield immense power. The Democrats still bow to these idiots and the GOP are still terrified in the corner afraid that if they speak up they'll be cancelled.

The same reality still exists in comics. When Marvel cleans house dumping dumpster fires like CB and Joe Q we'll know there's been a shift in the weather. Until then expect the occasional BS like this from Joe but no REAL change in direction from the company.

Even Joe Quesada, patron of Renfamous, is starting to weigh in on the subject of 'diversity in comics' like some sort of autism-afflicted marine ranting in a parking lot at a comic book in this interview with Christopher Priest,

Quesada is just sucking up to James Owsley here. I wouldn't take anything he says the least bit seriously. Quesadilla has been bowing to the progressive Gods for well over a decade now quite happily but he knows that in a convo with Priest about that shit he'll have his lunch stolen by a superior intellect coming from a superior argument. Joe was just saying whatever he could to slide past the diversity thing without Priest making a fool of him or pissing off Joe's progressive following.

If this was a convo with someone like Bendis or King Joe would be saying very different things to suck hole to them.

Joe's a high ranking corporate tool at Marvel. What he says publicly has zero to do with his actual actions just like when Zucker or Dorsey testifies before congress you can expect a public party line very different than the reality they're propagating.

EDIT:

I think it has to do with DC typically playing things closer to the chest also, unlike Cates who was heading big events and shaping different corners of Marvel's universe, Shane's footprint is relatively small, my guess is that they just stop giving him new work or at least that is how it will look from the outside.

I agree. Ethan was never officially canceled either. They just let his contract finish and said "don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out".

I reckon the same thing happened or is happening here.

I am glad Priest is back somewhat in the limelight even if it's brief, sad it's not because of all the amazing comics he written, political essays, or his religious/community organizing or his experience as a editor but because of this political moment, hopefully he can snag a EiC gig in the nu-Milestone and ride off into the sun set and do what he wants. Also if Milestone comes back just when BLM blows up bigger than ever thats gonna be so telling, Milestone deserved better.

Priest's a great writer.

But there is no way they'd give him editorial control of a Milestone reboot. Priest's politics would take the whole thing off narrative in a hurry.

Also, Priest has been quite clear about not wanting to write characters just because they are black. I doubt he'd be interested in running an entire line built on the idea of black writers writing black characters just because they are black.

 

[Analog Devolved]

The anthology book would be like DC's Secret Files. I'd hire all of the best talent within ComicsGate (and maybe outside) to draw stories of Vyzpzz invasions on other worlds. A single theme that allows everyone to be creative while still making an organized project.

The idea is to create well-paying, industry standard work for creators that turns a profit for me. It isn't to host a talent show competition that leads people who might not be gainfully employed to work hard for the possibility of a $2000 pay day creating a book that might not have an audience.

But let's see how it goes. Poulter has an idea that will generate excitement in Indie creator circles. Could be fun.

"Art contests" and "talent shows" are gay as fuck and totally rip off the creator.
Art contests are widely frowned upon by pro creators and only the most desperate unemployed artists are going to participate in a practice so universally hated. To sum it up "troons incoming".
While it makes sense to have a portfolio showing off different skills and abilities a community voting contest is dumb. Most people will have no idea what they are looking at and good commission or one shot pieces don't correlate to storytelling and sequential art.
Look how shitty Adam Posts "6 panel on every single page" layout turned out. Pure shit. A disgrace, he completely fucked the dog and ripped off his backers.
An anthology might work because you get to showcase a lot of different people, one or two medicore stories won't kill the book and customer feedback can let you know whether to include that team in future books.

Preston asking people to send in their hard work to be judged by Vikki (LMAO!!!!) is RETARDED. Having a battle Royale for a 2k prize might bring in a few people but they will go away after they lose or the contest ends.
Paying someone to create a short story is probably the best bet. No back-end payment fuckery. Give them the standards of the art dimensions and a page limit and set them free.

Best of luck to Preston and his bullshit contest, I really don't think it's going to work.
Ethans Vyzzpyzz anthology sounds a lot more interesting than "marvel previews 2.0 aka CGJumpstart".
I doubt I'll be a backer but who knows. Maybe Ethan will have some miraculous redemption arc that somehow wins back people like me who have simply given up and walked away.

 

[jspit]

While I agree that things have calmed down now that we're fresh from another Comicsgate schism and that the main source of ideological friction within Comicsgate has been resolved, Preston has yet to establish that this novel idea for Comicsgate™ - holding a submission contest - is a successful one that invites imitation by Frog. All credit due to Preston for experimenting and innovating new ways of engaging customers and fans, it's this willingness to think up and personally attempt new ideas (like the openGPL trademark) that elevate him beyond a mere detractor.

If it's a winning idea I have little doubt Frog will someday "borrow" it wholesale, like his announced intent to set up an fan-contributed anthology book for Cyberfrog in the style of Dead Beats or Maybe Someday in the future.

It was a crowded 10-man stream so there wasn't much time to get a real close look at Shane Davis; only two things really caught my eye 1) this motherfucker has a $500+ audio rig set up for youtubing so you know he's committed 2) his decision to let his Comicsgate flag fly was when Frog cleared one million dollars in a crowdfund.

I don't see any of these people getting into a dispute with Frog over what Comicsgate really is in the way that happened in the past, one because measured by success, Frog's ways are generally accepted as the correct ways of doing things more than ever, and second because most of the conflicts of the past weren't instigated by Frog but between the person in question and someone like either WC or Cecil, and Frog being dragged into it.

As things stand now, the biggest likelihood for conflict in the future is one of the few remaining prominent non-pros with unstable personalities like Cecil having it in for someone who makes him feel inferior like Doug TenNapel did and looking for wedge issues like "inappropriate tweets" and/or manipulating Sketch Therapy into getting a "dispute over Comicsgate values" going. But Cecil has six figures of skin in the game now, has been on the receiving end of what he dished out liberally in the past, but more importantly Sketch is more protected from those who would exploit him these days. I've been covering a lot of mostly irrelevant things lately in CG because these days anyone's guess is as good as mine.

Dan Fraga comes across to me as a guy very much like Frog - a extrovert who pursued a very isolating career in drawing comic books - who's been adjacent to the entertainment industry for years, storyboarding music videos for major bands and rapping as a hobby, but never seemed able to grasp the limelight for himself. Comicsgate is an opportunity for him to realize that dream first and foremost and pursuing some sort of greater purpose beyond that a distant second. Not everyone in Comicsgate has to be some sort of comic book philosopher king, he's welcome to it.

Shane Davis by contrast comes across more like Mike Miller, an opinionated guy who pursued an occupation that offered self-expression only to find himself isolated from the rest of society while corporate discourages him from freely expressing his hot takes. While I doubt Davis is going to go "full Smiller", after reading his tweets and watching his struggling youtube channel I sense the same motivation for his joining.

What's more interesting about Davis is the total silence that his appearance was met with by comics twitter, journos and gatekeepers: Donny Cates was formally reprimanded by Marvel for having his call with Frog broadcasted on a livestream, Shane Davis is Dan Didio's artist while appearing as a guest on ComicArtistPro Secrets but is met with crickets from the establishment, Between this and the silence that Sean Gordon Murphy's "lovebombing of Mags Visaggio" was met with, it shows the plummeting power of the SJW gatekeepers of the comic industry are left with.

Even Joe Quesada, patron of Renfamous, is starting to weigh in on the subject of 'diversity in comics' like some sort of autism-afflicted marine ranting in a parking lot at a comic book in this interview with Christopher Priest, the man that launched a thousand Comicsgate variant covers.

Tai Nehasi, who hates America, on Captain America. So Joe just acknowledges that he has had input on these awful decisions? Wow. Allot of people have made excuses for him, but he just tied himself to it. That, plus ignoring that he was the asshole that hired black people to write black characters...this guy.

I think it has to do with DC typically playing things closer to the chest also, unlike Cates who was heading big events and shaping different corners of Marvel's universe, Shane's footprint is relatively small, my guess is that they just stop giving him new work or at least that is how it will look from the outside.

Spoiler: Comicsperging

I am glad Priest is back somewhat in the limelight even if it's brief, sad it's not because of all the amazing comics he written, political essays, or his religious/community organizing or his experience as a editor but because of this political moment, hopefully he can snag a EiC gig in the nu-Milestone and ride off into the sun set and do what he wants. Also if Milestone comes back just when BLM blows up bigger than ever thats gonna be so telling, Milestone deserved better.

His politics essays, if anything, should be a negative. They are divisive.

Does it? I always thought most of milestone was as cringe worthy as any of those extreme 90s comics. Static was okay, but for the most part it was trying way to hard to be street. Regardless, I can't see any renaissance for the line after Wildstorm was a disaster. At most I'd see them black label it, with a single title set in the 'Dakotaverse'?

 

[Mister Dongs]

Philosophical arguements have been resposible for zero people leaving. It's always been personality conflicts. Everything else is incidental or an excuse.

Disagree. Ideological conflicts, often personalized, over what Comicsgate is and where it's going have been responsible for the vast majority of people leaving, that's why people like Vox Day and JDA were the first to go and people like Cecil and Yellowflash get by without a problem.

 

[jspit]

Disagree. Ideological conflicts, often personalized, over what Comicsgate is and where it's going have been responsible for the vast majority of people leaving, that's why people like Vox Day and JDA were the first to go and people like Cecil and Yellowflash get by without a problem.

I hate to be like that, but could it be arguing over the same thing? JDA, Vox Day, and yes Tim Lim and Miller are assholes. They also want to be able to express their politics, faith, and views in their art. @FROG, YellowFlash, and Cecil are also assholes, but genuinely believe that anything involving faith, politics, views on current events that alienate people should not be in comics.

Cecil and Doug Tennapel, for example, clashed on a personal level. But they also clashed because Cecil doesn't want religious right material in comicsgate and Doug has spent his entire career being told he can't express his religion in his art.

It's not one or the other in my view.

 

[Newman's Own]

"Art contests" and "talent shows" are gay as fuck and totally rip off the creator.

They are gay as fuck but they get top ratings on TV. Preston might pull this off and creators who never had a hope of making $2000 getting some exposure, experience and maybe a project of the ground isn't a rip off.

It would be a rip off to anyone with some established cred but that's not who it's for.

Ethan's better off doing it his way. If he tried to do "American Idol" in comics it would get political in a hurry and degenerate into another war within his fandom.

I hope he changes his mind and gives it a try.

plus ignoring that he was the asshole that hired black people to write black characters

Joe is a tool. I loved that Priest made him so uncomfortable for doing that. Joe's been hiring or advocating for hiring on identity from the start. Priest made him look the fool and made him backtrack on it.

Good stuff.

Disagree. Ideological conflicts, often personalized, over what Comicsgate is and where it's going have been responsible for the vast majority of people leaving, that's why people like Vox Day and JDA were the first to go and people like Cecil and Yellowflash get by without a problem.

Tim Lim embarrassed Ethan on stream by calling him out on a lie ("Transcripts motherfucker"). That's why WarCampaign went after him and it's why Ethan sat back and cheered.

Doug Ernst literally did nothing to upset Ethan and E still played passive aggressive gayops games with whoever the Shadow King is. What upset Ethan about Doug is that Doug refused to play his game. Watch their one on one stream if you doubt me. Oh, and he hired unpersoned artists like Lim and Brett Smith.

Vox and JDA were trying to position themselves as players and needed to be pushed out to maintain hegemony or at least that was what it looked like. CG is a small sandbox after all.

Doug loved to argue on stream (not a yes man like literally everyone on Ethan's streams today) and has had a career that would make most creators green with envy let alone a narcissist like Frog. Ethan still goes on and on comparing himself and his campaigns to Doug. When Tennaple went to bat against Ethan's fan club for a nobody like Ashworth his number was up with Ethan. Frog pretended he didn't see it and sat back while his troll squad went to work. Ideology never entered the equation until Doug was gone and Ethan wanted to take a swipe at him for how he left.

And Mike simply wouldn't do as he was told like Malin, Cecil, Bryce and the rest. Mike was a plenty entertaining foil on stream but he's twice the artist Ethan is and 3 times or more the artist Malin is. Superior talent and noncompliant behavior are not endearing to a megalomaniac with a Roman Empire to build. Christians get fed to the lions. Ask Caligula.

The ideological stuff was the excuse, not the reason in all cases.

Ethan's an narcissist. Choosing toppings on his pizza is an ego driven decision.

@FROG, YellowFlash, and Cecil are also assholes, but genuinely believe that anything involving faith, politics, views on current events that alienate people should not be in comics.

The fact that these guys have zero problem with and in are actually promoting Meyer's last two projects based on current events and politics means there is nothing "genuine" about those beliefs.

Those "beliefs" were predicated on Ethan's jealousy of Lim's success with Thump when he wasn't sure how well his own project would do.

CG wasn't about taking politics out of comics until Ethan said so. Have a look at Clint's book. Political. Lonestar #1. Political. Deathsworn and Doc Alpha both look political. Red Rooster is social commentary. Political.

CG was pissed off because Marvel wants to make Captain America a Nazi, Spider-Man antifa and Thor a milkmaid. No one was saying the whole medium needed to step away from politics until Ethan got insecure about Lim's best selling bunny book. There's a difference between not wanting to be called a Nazi by whoever is writing Batman and saying indy artist should keep their views to themselves. No one wishes Alan Moore had kept Watchmen to himself.

Ethan's retarded.

 

[Analog Devolved]

They are gay as fuck but they get top ratings on TV. Preston might pull this off and creators who never had a hope of making $2000 getting some exposure, experience and maybe a project of the ground isn't a rip off.

It would be a rip off to anyone with some established cred but that's not who it's for.

Ethan's better off doing it his way. If he tried to do "American Idol" in comics it would get political in a hurry and degenerate into another war within his fandom.

I hope he changes his mind and gives it a try.




Joe is a tool. I loved that Priest made him so uncomfortable for doing that. Joe's been hiring or advocating for hiring on identity from the start. Priest made him look the fool and made him backtrack on it.

Good stuff.


Tim Lim embarrassed Ethan on stream by calling him out on a lie ("Transcripts motherfucker"). That's why WarCampaign went after him and it's why Ethan sat back and cheered.

Doug Ernst literally did nothing to upset Ethan and E still played passive aggressive gayops games with whoever the Shadow King is. What upset Ethan about Doug is that Doug refused to play his game. Watch their one on one stream if you doubt me. Oh, and he hired unpersoned artists like Lim and Brett Smith.

Vox and JDA were trying to position themselves as players and needed to be pushed out to maintain hegemony or at least that was what it looked like. CG is a small sandbox after all.

Doug loved to argue on stream (not a yes man like literally everyone on Ethan's streams today) and has had a career that would make most creators green with envy let alone a narcissist like Frog. Ethan still goes on and on comparing himself and his campaigns to Doug. When Tennaple went to bat against Ethan's fan club for a nobody like Ashworth his number was up with Ethan. Frog pretended he didn't see it and sat back while his troll squad went to work. Ideology never entered the equation until Doug was gone and Ethan wanted to take a swipe at him for how he left.

And Mike simply wouldn't do as he was told like Malin, Cecil, Bryce and the rest. Mike was a plenty entertaining foil on stream but he's twice the artist Ethan is and 3 times or more the artist Malin is. Superior talent and noncompliant behavior are not endearing to a megalomaniac with a Roman Empire to build. Christians get fed to the lions. Ask Caligula.

The ideological stuff was the excuse, not the reason in all cases.

Ethan's an narcissist. Choosing toppings on his pizza is an ego driven decision.


The fact that these guys have zero problem with and in are actually promoting Meyer's last two projects based on current events and politics means there is nothing "genuine" about those beliefs.

Those "beliefs" were predicated on Ethan's jealousy of Lim's success with Thump when he wasn't sure how well his own project would do.

CG wasn't about taking politics out of comics until Ethan said so. Have a look at Clint's book. Political. Lonestar #1. Political. Deathsworn and Doc Alpha both look political. Red Rooster is social commentary. Political.

CG was pissed off because Marvel wants to make Captain America a Nazi, Spider-Man antifa and Thor a milkmaid. No one was saying the whole medium needed to step away from politics until Ethan got insecure about Lim's best selling bunny book. There's a difference between not wanting to be called a Nazi by whoever is writing Batman and saying indy artist should keep their views to themselves. No one wishes Alan Moore had kept Watchmen to himself.

Ethan's retarded.

Those TV talent shows are a scam too. Without getting too autistic here if you read the contract they basically own your act and any rights you have to it once you appear.
With other shows the contestants or subjects are compensated for their appearance. People earn thousands (or tens of thousands) per episode. Just look at the Teen Mom crowd. You don't drive a Navigator and live in a big house with no job other than being a clown on TV for a reason.
Even shows like Shark Tank are a giant commercial if you actually have a product to sell and don't get a deal.
With "art contests" it requires days of work for nothing in return. TUG recently held an "art contest" asking for free commissions in exchange for TUGbux like a $100 grand prize everyone else just gives TUG free art.
Imagine a job where your interview required you to work a full 8 hour shift and you compete against every other person working for free and if you "win" you get paid, otherwise thanks for the day of labor which they can sell anything you did during that day for full price.
Preston is asking people to work for exposure, which they get by him arguing with Ethan over twitter.
Contests are extremely gay. Unless its a drawing contest where you can then sell the art on your own store (for TUG "OC" drawings thats out the window) you're just wasting your time.
I called it retarded when TUG did it and I'm calling it retarded when Preston does it. Writing a script shouldn't be free unless you're getting the art for free.

 

[SuiSui1]

They are gay as fuck but they get top ratings on TV. Preston might pull this off and creators who never had a hope of making $2000 getting some exposure, experience and maybe a project of the ground isn't a rip off.

It would be a rip off to anyone with some established cred but that's not who it's for.

Ethan's better off doing it his way. If he tried to do "American Idol" in comics it would get political in a hurry and degenerate into another war within his fandom.

I hope he changes his mind and gives it a try.




Joe is a tool. I loved that Priest made him so uncomfortable for doing that. Joe's been hiring or advocating for hiring on identity from the start. Priest made him look the fool and made him backtrack on it.

Good stuff.


Tim Lim embarrassed Ethan on stream by calling him out on a lie ("Transcripts motherfucker"). That's why WarCampaign went after him and it's why Ethan sat back and cheered.

Doug Ernst literally did nothing to upset Ethan and E still played passive aggressive gayops games with whoever the Shadow King is. What upset Ethan about Doug is that Doug refused to play his game. Watch their one on one stream if you doubt me. Oh, and he hired unpersoned artists like Lim and Brett Smith.

Vox and JDA were trying to position themselves as players and needed to be pushed out to maintain hegemony or at least that was what it looked like. CG is a small sandbox after all.

Doug loved to argue on stream (not a yes man like literally everyone on Ethan's streams today) and has had a career that would make most creators green with envy let alone a narcissist like Frog. Ethan still goes on and on comparing himself and his campaigns to Doug. When Tennaple went to bat against Ethan's fan club for a nobody like Ashworth his number was up with Ethan. Frog pretended he didn't see it and sat back while his troll squad went to work. Ideology never entered the equation until Doug was gone and Ethan wanted to take a swipe at him for how he left.

And Mike simply wouldn't do as he was told like Malin, Cecil, Bryce and the rest. Mike was a plenty entertaining foil on stream but he's twice the artist Ethan is and 3 times or more the artist Malin is. Superior talent and noncompliant behavior are not endearing to a megalomaniac with a Roman Empire to build. Christians get fed to the lions. Ask Caligula.

The ideological stuff was the excuse, not the reason in all cases.

Ethan's an narcissist. Choosing toppings on his pizza is an ego driven decision.


The fact that these guys have zero problem with and in are actually promoting Meyer's last two projects based on current events and politics means there is nothing "genuine" about those beliefs.

Those "beliefs" were predicated on Ethan's jealousy of Lim's success with Thump when he wasn't sure how well his own project would do.

CG wasn't about taking politics out of comics until Ethan said so. Have a look at Clint's book. Political. Lonestar #1. Political. Deathsworn and Doc Alpha both look political. Red Rooster is social commentary. Political.

CG was pissed off because Marvel wants to make Captain America a Nazi, Spider-Man antifa and Thor a milkmaid. No one was saying the whole medium needed to step away from politics until Ethan got insecure about Lim's best selling bunny book. There's a difference between not wanting to be called a Nazi by whoever is writing Batman and saying indy artist should keep their views to themselves. No one wishes Alan Moore had kept Watchmen to himself.

Ethan's retarded.

If I also could add, Ethan main goal for 2017-2019 was to grow his YT channel. He managed to get on that sweet hate train of The Last Jedi and his channel exploded. But as seen with Crowder, if a Rainbow POC wants to take down a channel, they will. Ethan made himself less of a target by throwing Tennapel and Miller under the bus. Without his YT, Ethan is nothing.

Another speculation is that seeing Tim Lim's bunny avatar caused Frog to have flash backs to the one person in the world that hollowed him out and got away with it. Sharis "Bunny" Van Sciver.

Poltics always existed in comics but how they were present varies. Like salt in food, it could enhance the flavor or it could destroy the whole meal.