Trump Derangement Syndrome - Orange man bad. Read the OP! (ᴛʜɪs ᴛʜʀᴇᴀᴅ ɪs ʟɪᴋᴇ ᴋɪᴡɪ ғᴀʀᴍs ʀᴇᴠɪᴇᴡs ɴᴏᴡ) 🗿🗿🗿🗿

[Jigglyjogglers]

We’re already kind of there. Remember, learning to speak the language of the country you live in is racist and xenophobic, so you have people speaking Somali in Detroit and Spanish in Texas.

Ah, but that's only for Americans, remember. American tourists are racist for going to other countries if they're not fluent in that country's language.

Of course tourism is already racist so no helping it, really.

 

[babadook]

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I genuinely don't understand how these people jumped on "defund the police" thinking that it's the campaign message America wanted to hear.

Finally an ad with silence instead of generic cinematic music

 

[Bad_Guys_are_Good4EVER]

Please rate me late if this has already been posted, I saw this meme on r/pcm and thought it was just a fake screenshot that someone had made to make fun of r/politics.
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Couldn't believe that it was an actual article posted to r/politics that is currently sitting at over 19k upvotes with multiple awards.

http://archive.md/qhRoS

The comments are full of kindergarten level insults that I can't believe any adult actual sat down to post and thinks is funny.


I just hope we get an updated version of this for the 2020 election cycle using all the new media spin about his "ultra low chances of winning", I still rewatch it every so often.

That kid at 2:08 is crying because he's there and not at home playing video games. But speaking of the 2016 election, I loved The Young Turks reaction to the election. I can't imagine what shitstorm will happen among the left when Trump wins his second term.

 

[JambledUpWords]

 

[Some Random Soul]

I can't imagine what shitstorm will happen among the left when Trump wins his second term.

More like, IF Trump wins a second term. We don't know that he's going to at this point just yet, so we really should be treating this as if we could be fighting a losing battle.

That was probably the Democrats' biggest mistake in 2016. They thought they had the election in the bag based on polls and other shit like that, but as you can tell that strategy did them no favors whatsoever. If I'm not mistaken, there are probably some Democrats still scarred from that who are desperate to avoid a repeat of that this upcoming election.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

More like, IF Trump wins a second term. We don't know that he's going to at this point just yet, so we really should be treating this as if we could be fighting a losing battle.

That was probably the Democrats' biggest mistake in 2016. They thought they had the election in the bag based on polls and other shit like that, but as you can tell that strategy did them no favors whatsoever. If I'm not mistaken, there are probably some Democrats still scarred from that who are desperate to avoid a repeat of that this upcoming election.

Complacency is never a good election strategy.

 

[Gehenna]

Complacency is never a good election strategy.

This, do not treat victory as an inevitability. That is exactly what the democrats did and do. Even if you think its really, really likely. Do not treat it as inevitable.

 

[Sekirodiealot]

He's talking about mccainand Romney being "brave"

 

[Gehenna]

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He's talking about mccainand Romney being "brave"

"Bi partisanship"

Weird space is weird.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

Standing together as a party is just political strategy. If the Democrats can't do this between their moderate and socialist factions this will prevent them from achieving much.

 

[AprilRains]

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He's talking about mccainand Romney being "brave"

I wonder what dissidents in the Democratic party he likes.

 

[Gehenna]

I wonder what dissidents in the Democratic party he likes.

The irony is that the Trump supporters in congress -are- the dissident right. The difference is that they have kept their disagreement mostly civil.

What this really translates to is "What Republican has thrown a flaming shit fit", because that's what he is expecting disagreement to look like.

 

[AprilRains]

The irony is that the Trump supporters in congress -are- the dissident right. The difference is that they have kept their disagreement mostly civil.

What this really translates to is "What Republican has thrown a flaming shit fit", because that's what he is expecting disagreement to look like.

That, and what he really wants is weakness in his opposition and unity on his side.

I'm reminded of a disingenuous woman in 2000 who advised Bush to soften his approach and Gore to be firmer and more aggressive. It was pathetically obvious who she wanted to win, yet she gave the advice to Bush as if it weren't a fucking trap. She wasn't nearly as clever as she fancied herself.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

That, and what he really wants is weakness in his opposition and unity on his side.

I'm reminded of a disingenuous woman in 2000 who advised Bush to soften his approach and Gore to be firmer and more aggressive. It was pathetically obvious who she wanted to win, yet she gave the advice to Bush as if it weren't a fucking trap. She wasn't nearly as clever as she fancied herself.

It's been debated ever since but arguably Ralph Nader took some progressive votes away from Gore and won that election for Bush. Unity is absolutely essential to win elections.

 

[JambledUpWords]

#BenedictDonald is trending on Twitter in the US:

 

[TowinKarz]

We are.

So, a bit of a political science perspective which I have mentioned a few times in this thread. The left wing in the U.S. forgot how to actually fight the culture war. They went decades of being the established counter culture, then everyone -hated- Bush, then Black Jesus won. They created a narrative that their success is literally inevitable. You have seen the results of Trump winning against that mindset, but what people miss is that the mindset is still quite alive.

But what does that mean? Well, it means that they can't fire up the base. If your victory is inevitable, how do you motivate people to take it seriously? You can't doomsay and expect it to actually move anyone but the minority which haven't bought into your massive narrative. You can't point to specific issues and motivate on that, they are already going to win on them.

It creates a scenario where they, ironically, depress their own voter turnout by being so self-assuredly smug of their own victory.

This.

While they don't think victory is inevitable this time around, (a mindset that arguably only began to really set after the failure of impeachment) and are realizing that Trump wasn't a fluke or stumble, (his approval rate stays stable, proving enough of the populace has accepted him that outright treating him as a de facto contemptuous loser like they did in 2016 and the Twitterverse does to this day, won't work) they still have no idea how to make hay out of all the things that fate and/or their own machinations have delivered in terms of things that conventional wisdom says SHOULD nuke an incumbent out of office.

Namely, mass civil unrest, a national emergency that was arguably mishandled and a sudden and unexpected recession.

That last one alone should doom a popular President, like how G.W. Bush went from being a ticker-tape hero after Gulf War I to ousted in less than 2 years due to poor economic performance.

Granted, it's early, but, the only ads that play regularly opposing Trump don't do anything except say nebulous things about how "He's a disappointment" and how 'This TRUE and HONEST Trump voter is now ashamed to have voted for him, and won't in 2020" Lukewarm, wishy-washy and lacking in "oomph". No concrete cited reasons, no "he failed to do THIS" or "he promised me THAT", just "he didn't do enough" and "didn't deliver". I think this is because when DNC operatives found those "disillusioned" people, and polled them to figure out what to put in the ads, the REAL reasons cited were the kind of stuff you wouldn't dare print and can't say on the radio. I.E. - "He didn't ban fags!" "He didn't shoot everyone crossing the border!" "He fucking sold out to the Jews!" Essentially, the ones disappointed are disappointed he didn't do everything the DEMS said he would... wreck the nation with openly racist and dictatorial policies....


Even the ones that try to pin corona on him take an odd tack (at least the ones played constantly around here) They don't criticize him for the deaths, or the lockdowns, the things most-likely to have the biggest effect on the average person, but complain that he's too busy tweeting to give everyone a mask...... or "support" the healthecare workers. That's it, they think he's not doing enough to enforce mask wearing, a stance their own media cut the legs off of when they didn't criticize BLM rioters pulling down statues but people protesting thier own Governor's orders that were keeping the family business shut until tentatively September were roundly criticized. And the only ad running here locally that tries to play up the economic stagnation is your typical bland "This economy only works for RICH people" ad that they play every election, and increasingly don't realize that their actions over the last 20 years have alienated the kind of working class person that's supposed to stoke the rage in.

And the complaint about healthcare workers? Those don't ring true either, around here, your average nurse and hospital worker is as blue collar as the rest, and I mentioned that at least once, a person in line ahead of me at the grocery that SHOULD be obeying the mask rule, but isn't, was a person in scrubs with a hospital ID badge on... if they aren't all-in on the lockdown, why should I be?

And where's the big plans THEY have? SHouldn't THEY be proposing some grand economic vision? Some major infrastructure plans if Trumps doing so bad? Where's the bold push for reinstating or expanding Obamacare? Where's the promised gibs? What exactly do I get if I vote for them instead of "Someone who isn't Trump?" Half of this is that their chosen can't articulate the usual social freebies, but the other half is.... they have indeed been unable to think of any except the broadest of things like UBI or reparations, or the GND that have sextillion-dollar price tags and they can't even PRETEND to know where the money for them will come from.

And, as @Pointless Pedant said, the lack of a 3rd party candidate this time around will not provide some kind of unexpected sapping of borderline "R" votes. Part of this is due to corona making it impossible to really do the groundwork to set up a 3rd party this cycle, but, the traditional things that would cost red votes wouldn't have been there anyway. Trump's populism means he can't be Perot'd and the death of the Religious Right as a political force means he cant be Buchannan'd. If anyone was going to face such a threat, it was the dems who risked some kind of avowed socialist picking up when socialist-in-all-but-name Bernie dropped out. Those folks instead decided to go burn cities anwyay...

They're hoping a general malaise will fall on Trump voters over the mess 2020 turned out to be, but can't seem to cite exactly how or why they should be mad at Trump above and beyond anyoen else in "the system" while offering no clear alternative except "not Trump"

Remember, even if people are grumbling about Trump not dropping the hammer on rioters that would require Federal force he may or may not be justified in using (and certainly will be lynched by the media for using) , and saying they don't support him as much now as they used to... all it takes is one look across the aisle at Biden, with no platform, babbling about "Me and Obama, we did things" to realize they're STILL in pretty good hands.

TLDR - Just like you said, the democrats didn't plan on them ever being unpopular, they saw the election of Obama as the point-of-no-return for conservatism. That it hasn't gone away has left them unable to strategize a way to sell their ideas because they thought everyone would be at least light blue by now. They're in a situation where they know how to appeal to selling chocolate ice cream over vanilla from their pushcart, but don't know what to do if it's 20 below and snowing, and nobody's in an ice cream mood.

They thought winter in the 21st Century was obsolete....

 

[Pointless Pedant]

The issue with all these comparisons is that the head of state can't commit treason unless he actively aids a hostile power in waging war against his country, which there isn't any confirmation of. Treason is very strictly defined in the Constitution, which is why barely anyone has ever been charged with it.

That's not to say that it can never be justified. The founding fathers were committing treason to take up arms against the British state at Lexington in 1775.

 

[TowinKarz]

Treason is the only crime the Constitution spells out, because the founders knew it was a matter of "when" not "if" we'd reach places like today where the political divide is so striking and severe that some honestly believe that it's treason to vote for the opposition. They knew that if they didn't make it clear treason only applies when you are actively trying to pass notes to an enemy army, that vetoing congress' latest tariff would be spun as such as a means to oust a leader they just didn't like.

 

[Jarolleon]

We are.

So, a bit of a political science perspective which I have mentioned a few times in this thread. The left wing in the U.S. forgot how to actually fight the culture war. They went decades of being the established counter culture, then everyone -hated- Bush, then Black Jesus won. They created a narrative that their success is literally inevitable. You have seen the results of Trump winning against that mindset, but what people miss is that the mindset is still quite alive.

But what does that mean? Well, it means that they can't fire up the base. If your victory is inevitable, how do you motivate people to take it seriously? You can't doomsay and expect it to actually move anyone but the minority which haven't bought into your massive narrative. You can't point to specific issues and motivate on that, they are already going to win on them.

It creates a scenario where they, ironically, depress their own voter turnout by being so self-assuredly smug of their own victory.

Fearmonger about your victory being not-so-inevitable to due to some nefarious interference and how this would result into a horrid backsliding into dictatorship, cronyism and bigotry? Oh wait that's exactly what they're doing.

This.

While they don't think victory is inevitable this time around, (a mindset that arguably only began to really set after the failure of impeachment) and are realizing that Trump wasn't a fluke or stumble, (his approval rate stays stable, proving enough of the populace has accepted him that outright treating him as a de facto contemptuous loser like they did in 2016 and the Twitterverse does to this day, won't work) they still have no idea how to make hay out of all the things that fate and/or their own machinations have delivered in terms of things that conventional wisdom says SHOULD nuke an incumbent out of office.

Namely, mass civil unrest, a national emergency that was arguably mishandled and a sudden and unexpected recession.

That last one alone should doom a popular President, like how G.W. Bush went from being a ticker-tape hero after Gulf War I to ousted in less than 2 years due to poor economic performance.

Granted, it's early, but, the only ads that play regularly opposing Trump don't do anything except say nebulous things about how "He's a disappointment" and how 'This TRUE and HONEST Trump voter is now ashamed to have voted for him, and won't in 2020" Lukewarm, wishy-washy and lacking in "oomph". No concrete cited reasons, no "he failed to do THIS" or "he promised me THAT", just "he didn't do enough" and "didn't deliver". I think this is because when DNC operatives found those "disillusioned" people, and polled them to figure out what to put in the ads, the REAL reasons cited were the kind of stuff you wouldn't dare print and can't say on the radio. I.E. - "He didn't ban fags!" "He didn't shoot everyone crossing the border!" "He fucking sold out to the Jews!" Essentially, the ones disappointed are disappointed he didn't do everything the DEMS said he would... wreck the nation with openly racist and dictatorial policies....


Even the ones that try to pin corona on him take an odd tack (at least the ones played constantly around here) They don't criticize him for the deaths, or the lockdowns, the things most-likely to have the biggest effect on the average person, but complain that he's too busy tweeting to give everyone a mask...... or "support" the healthecare workers. That's it, they think he's not doing enough to enforce mask wearing, a stance their own media cut the legs off of when they didn't criticize BLM rioters pulling down statues but people protesting thier own Governor's orders that were keeping the family business shut until tentatively September were roundly criticized. And the only ad running here locally that tries to play up the economic stagnation is your typical bland "This economy only works for RICH people" ad that they play every election, and increasingly don't realize that their actions over the last 20 years have alienated the kind of working class person that's supposed to stoke the rage in.

And the complaint about healthcare workers? Those don't ring true either, around here, your average nurse and hospital worker is as blue collar as the rest, and I mentioned that at least once, a person in line ahead of me at the grocery that SHOULD be obeying the mask rule, but isn't, was a person in scrubs with a hospital ID badge on... if they aren't all-in on the lockdown, why should I be?

And where's the big plans THEY have? SHouldn't THEY be proposing some grand economic vision? Some major infrastructure plans if Trumps doing so bad? Where's the bold push for reinstating or expanding Obamacare? Where's the promised gibs? What exactly do I get if I vote for them instead of "Someone who isn't Trump?" Half of this is that their chosen can't articulate the usual social freebies, but the other half is.... they have indeed been unable to think of any except the broadest of things like UBI or reparations, or the GND that have sextillion-dollar price tags and they can't even PRETEND to know where the money for them will come from.

And, as @Pointless Pedant said, the lack of a 3rd party candidate this time around will not provide some kind of unexpected sapping of borderline "R" votes. Part of this is due to corona making it impossible to really do the groundwork to set up a 3rd party this cycle, but, the traditional things that would cost red votes wouldn't have been there anyway. Trump's populism means he can't be Perot'd and the death of the Religious Right as a political force means he cant be Buchannan'd. If anyone was going to face such a threat, it was the dems who risked some kind of avowed socialist picking up when socialist-in-all-but-name Bernie dropped out. Those folks instead decided to go burn cities anwyay...

They're hoping a general malaise will fall on Trump voters over the mess 2020 turned out to be, but can't seem to cite exactly how or why they should be mad at Trump above and beyond anyoen else in "the system" while offering no clear alternative except "not Trump"

Remember, even if people are grumbling about Trump not dropping the hammer on rioters that would require Federal force he may or may not be justified in using (and certainly will be lynched by the media for using) , and saying they don't support him as much now as they used to... all it takes is one look across the aisle at Biden, with no platform, babbling about "Me and Obama, we did things" to realize they're STILL in pretty good hands.

TLDR - Just like you said, the democrats didn't plan on them ever being unpopular, they saw the election of Obama as the point-of-no-return for conservatism. That it hasn't gone away has left them unable to strategize a way to sell their ideas because they thought everyone would be at least light blue by now. They're in a situation where they know how to appeal to selling chocolate ice cream over vanilla from their pushcart, but don't know what to do if it's 20 below and snowing, and nobody's in an ice cream mood.

They thought winter in the 21st Century was obsolete....

Re: Protest Masks. They do have an argument for how the riots don't spread Corona as much. Apparently the droplets that spread the virus don't spread as well outdoors even with the same level of crowding because there's more airflow or something, which can then morph into "You can't catch corona outside so outdoor gatherings are fine". They successfully moved these goalposts in early May to make it more of a stretch to claim they did it for the riots.

 

[Ghostse]

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I genuinely don't understand how these people jumped on "defund the police" thinking that it's the campaign message America wanted to hear.

I was talking to my shitlibby friend about this, and it boils down to anyone with functioning braincells is listening to the PR spokespeople for BurnLootMurder who want to offload a lot of non-violent first contact responsibilities from the Police to more social-service focused organizations. (See: What they did EMS). Which makes some sense, you don't need to haul hobos or wildin' youngsters right off to jail.

But he doesn't really have a good answer when you point to places like CHAZ, crime rate in Chicago after "reform", and the violent looting going on, or those neighborhoods full of cucks promising not tot call the cops, and that a large percentage of the rank and file very clearly want the police to go away so they can be violent kleptomaniacs with no repercussions.

HE also doesn't have much in the way of serious arguement when you point out BLM is passing donations onto Move Blue, the DNC/Rapist Joe superPAC.
(Or when you point out all these horrible racist places are run by Dems, but that's a given)