Plagued Super Smash Bros. Community

[haunted vagina]

. There're dire penalties for persecuting and exempting someone, particularly if they're found as innocent of claims proven to damage their income or social mobility in a previous suit.

I couldn't find any tort called "persecuting" or "exempting" in a search of some real law books, can you let me know which Internet Law School you consulted that told you kicking people out of a video game tournament is RICO-libelslander-HIPAA so I can do some further research?

 

[Marissa Moira]

What's up all? I was just lurking but I wanted to chime in that I've consulted some legally knowledgeable I know about what the chances would be for the accused in this situation and I think that a lawsuit or two could honestly still have you able to compete long term if you contested any event bans in a civil court. There're dire penalties for persecuting and exempting someone, particularly if they're found as innocent of claims proven to damage their income or social mobility in a previous suit. It just seems to me like MrWizard didn't want to have to swim through that ocean and he's not a competitor anyway, if there's no evidence at hand your prospects are reasonably open ended to my shaky understanding.

edit: and to add to this, things like Skype conversations or Discord logs scarcely ever count in due process, too. They might but I'm not sure.

Please don't consult pets or animals for legal advice. It's bad form.

 

[Violent Ken Apologist]

I couldn't find any tort called "persecuting" or "exempting" in a search of some real law books, can you let me know which Internet Law School you consulted that told you kicking people out of a video game tournament is RICO-libelslander-HIPAA so I can do some further research?

No, no, it's more like... I knew someone incredibly affluent who make it clear to me that banning or kicking someone from a real event like that without a reasonable concern is incredibly risky and it's something a good deal of people who've been involved in the dealings of real companies have echoed. But it's true I'm not the most educated. It's unfortunate if I've been hearing white noise on this matter. You're actually legally trained? If so that might settle it, damn.

 

[Marissa Moira]

No, no, it's more like... I knew someone incredibly affluent who make it clear to me that banning or kicking someone from a real event like that without a reasonable concern is incredibly risky and it's something a good deal of people who've been involved in the dealings of real companies have echoed. But it's true I'm not the most educated. It's unfortunate if I've been hearing white noise on this matter. You're actually legally trained? If so that might settle it, damn.

You and like a billion other people who ever claimed the same thing in armchair legal advice threads.

Weeb Wars has a billion posts like yours and all of them were proven wrong or had no idea what they were talking about.

 

[Violent Ken Apologist]

So why wouldn't it work particularly? Afaik keeping someone out of an event that's meant for the public with no due cause or evidence CAN be contested as unlawful, is that seriously entirely wrong?

 

[Marissa Moira]

So why wouldn't it work particularly? Afaik keeping someone out of an event that's meant for the public with no due cause or evidence CAN be contested as unlawful, is that seriously entirely wrong?

You're not a lawyer and neither is that person you're talking to.

I can prove it because all that shit relies on actual evidence, of which nobody has started to gather.

 

[Jeff Boomhauer]

Since it's a video game tournament, I doubt any court would give a shit about banning a player.

 

[Violent Ken Apologist]

Since it's a video game tournament, I doubt any court would give a shit about banning a player.

The idea was based on how supposedly it could count as obstructing work if you actually got money or something from attendance, even in a roundabout way such as through streaming or an audience.

 

[DumbestPersoninthUniverse]

The idea was based on how supposedly it could count as obstructing work if you actually got money or something from attendance, even in a roundabout way such as through streaming or an audience.

The problem is that this isn't necessarily a business prospect. It's a tournament that anyone could attend. I don't think any tournament scene is stupid enough to have contracts provided to its attendees. Same goes for sponsors, they can drop a player whenever they want. For teams, it depends on the contract, but it's likely they have something in there that allows them to drop the player without need for reason.

At best, they can probably sue for defamation if they weren't so fuckin' stupid that they said, "Yeah, I totally did this, I'm sorry!"

 

[JamusActimus]

Let's not talk about the legals ramifications here.
Most of those man-childs can't even get a lawyer's aid before making a statement.
So thinking they would sue a tournament organiser is really far fetched.
They can't even contact a professional to treat their mental problems so hiring a professional to deal with legal problems is asking way too much

 

[Susan Fumiko Tanaka]

Not to spam about an irrelevant player no one cares about too much, I'm just enjoying the ability to gossip about a person I've actually met.

UK streamer speaks about his experiences meeting the Swedish player accused of messing with minors.

In his twitter comments someone says this Swedish guy was a mod for Leffen's chat just recently. Not sure if this is true or of any interest.

EDIT added correct link
Tweet archive:

Fuzzyness on Twitter: "https://t.co/T7bfHulwuH" / Twitter

archived 6 Jul 2020 16:46:04 UTC

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Stream:

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/669869430

Haven't read the thread on this since I don't care for Smash, but a Swedish player is being accused of messing with minors as well.

Apparently, at some point, he was arrested at an event, for possession of drugs as well as soliciting/giving them to girls and supposedly attempting to have them leave the event area. (with him)
Attendees included minors.

Be warned, ESL statements are at times incoherent.

Accusations
twitter thread:

http://archive.md/nHyiL

twitlonger statement:

TwitLonger — When you talk too much for Twitter

archived 4 Jul 2020 05:52:50 UTC

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EDIT
Turns out he is mentioned in this accusing statement as well.
twitter thread:

http://archive.md/7iZ6j

twitlonger statement:

TwitLonger — When you talk too much for Twitter

archived 3 Jul 2020 21:41:46 UTC

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Response by player
twitter thread:

Jinny - VELVET THUNDER on Twitter: "I was never ready to write, I nev…

archived 4 Jul 2020 05:58:56 UTC

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pastebin statement:

I don't even know how to begin this, I know it doesnt matter how litt…

archived 4 Jul 2020 05:59:11 UTC

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Spoiler: powerlevel

Scandinavian communities are pretty small so there is a lot of overlap among people engaging in gaming, anime and any such.
I met this person briefly many years ago. He seemed like a total waste of space then, relying on acquaintances and constanly chatting up girls for food, money and a place to stay.
His continued behaviour checks out with what I saw back then. Not surprised by any accusations.

 

[Itu aru kamusu tugeza]

I did some minor background research into the Katie allegations and did some basic arithmetic. Spare the autistic ratings until the end of this rambling, and take this as pure speculation or commentary at most.

Spoiler: context for zero's case and the jisu accusations

This topic has been eating at me for some time, and I've had a while to reflect on this.

Gonzalo Barrios (alias ZeRo) is a Chilean citizen, as stated before. I do not think he became a U.S. citizen until very recently, nor should it have been possible until recently. At the time of the incident, Barrios was 19 years old in 2014, a legal adult, but definitely not a U.S. citizen. How do I know this? We have his tournament history to go off of. Barrios did start participating in competitions from a young age, but never participated regularly in the international scene until 2012, which was Apex. The allegations proper date to 2014, and U.S. citizenship requires a continuous 5 years of residency in the state to qualify for citizenry. This reaffirms prior statements regarding his living situation in Chile, which if you've read the thread up to this point should realize how long he's been kept in a state of arrested development. From what I've seen so far, despite being with fault I think he's probably the most sympathetic case of a name being dragged due to doing dumb shit at a considerably young age.

On that note, a statement on his living situation come 2015 according to his twitlonger:

After I left the house in February 2015, I returned to Chile as I mentioned before, then went to live in Arizona with Mew2King and MVG in March.

This can probably be backed up with VODs on MVG's and M2K's youtube accounts. Incidentally, he wasn't able to get a house until around 2019/2020, which, considering the 5 year requirement for citizenship, matches up.

His upbringing as well as the people he surrounded himself with I suspect naturally led to this which ended up making a prime target for the current community flogging.
Seeing how emotionally immature he does seem to be in personal interactions within Discord as well as his own Twitch channel in the past, it genuinely seems that he's too trusting of the people around him.

Also consider that Barrios was at the peak of his then relatively-short 3-year career at the age of 19 and felt on top of the world. What rash hormonal male wouldn't make rash decisions? 2014 was the year Smash 4 was revealed at Nintendo's show floor event at E3, and was broadcasted to millions of viewers worldwide. To think that anyone in that position wouldn't fault to a mental high would be a misstatement. He only started attending tournaments regularly in 2011, which made him 16 when he started winning tournaments with Meta Knight. According to his own statements in VODs and videos in the past I also believe his tournament behavior in sticking with what the community considered to be an annoying character stemmed from the fact that he had to find some way to keep bread and food on the table back at home. Anecdotal history aside, we already here have one distinction that sets one of these players out from the rest of the community, and that's that at least one player was participating not with the strict implicit motivation to have fun, and that's going to be a pattern looking at Smash and the larger FGC.

I don't think it's been mentioned yet in this thread, but as of July 2nd, the date before the accusations started hitting Barrios was currently 25, having picked up sponsors and obtained a somewhat stable income with the help of his sponsors, Tempo Storm and Facebook. His primary accuser, Jisu, is currently 21. I'll have more details on her up in a later post. Regardless, these aren't the smartest people in the room: after all Jisu herself admitted to being a runaway at the age of 15 when she came into contact with Sky, and her current social media posts suggest she hasn't completed college yet, unlike her other various colleagues. To say she has issues is also an understatement. Jisu is also insistent on keeping the rest of Katie's information and number close to her chest, despite being willing to throw allegations against Vanessa, Barrios's girlfriend as of this post, at the wall. The relative silence to the community regarding further disclosure is also discomforting and also not helpful in terms of constructing a useful case, though I can assume that Katie did have certain developmental issues in some form or another as well. These are all extremely young adults who were wronged in one way or another also emboldened by the current cultural climate. Keep that in mind for later.

Spoiler: the state of the community/rant

Considering the subject nature of Smash Bros. already being an inherently inclusive and accessible game, I'm honestly not surprised, but looking all around at all the stories I've read and seen, I think it's rather obvious that both accused and accusers come from broken families and cultures, without the proper support of a moral institution like strict adherence to religion or a family that can properly support them, and thus end up as vindictive, broken people as a result. The reality is that numerous parties were groomed into this community, having started as a small minor gatherings in its initial incarnation, never receiving the company support the community has consistently clamored for over the years; I'm sure several earlier documentaries note that the Melee competitive scene was 'like a tight knit family'; so this "spirit" in one way or another has persisted over the years.

Despite that I'm fairly positive that all this recent wave of accusations will accomplish is driving the more abusive members of the community underground to stalk the local scene for a time. This is nothing but a cleansing to replace with much more abusive people, and it's very obvious by the way these accusations are even being handled in the first place. Smash players are easy targets with their own inherent problems, but seeing a coordinated effort to collectively kick all the speds on the floor when they've done nothing more than exist as speds comes with its own sense of churning disgust. I can take no enjoyment from this, and the people trying to moralfag only to shut up and continue being degenerates weeks later can go stick a sock in it. These are the equivalent of carpetbaggers; the Smash community for the longest time has never been puritan; the only people I see here on both sides are degenerate manchildren.

That just begs the question: where does the blame ultimately lie? Predators will continue to guise as virtue-signallers or their vice, Smash will inevitably pick itself off the ground with new abusers, more lives ruined, more reputations destroyed, for nothing more than what's otherwise supposed to be an innocent hobby/party game for the family, purely by nature of being an autist-magnet.

Can you really punish them? Can you really consider them adults in the end, despite the law? These are manchildren that don't otherwise know how to live, and the very existence of eSports as an industry inherently encourages it. The competitive scene requires vast amounts of time and investment for minimal return; when anyone gets to that point, they'll have inevitably wasted their lives, all the while we continue to hear baseless encouraging messages from our moral guardians to pursue whatever we want because we're all snowflakes and shining stars in the end. In other words, from the very beginning, their childlike admiration coupled with the environment they're put in is setting them up to fail.

So who's to blame? The parents? The players? The culture?
Until this clout chasing has a definite answer, I don't think I'll ever know.

Regardless, I don't have any respect for the players, the community that feeds them, or anyone who doesn't step back and realize that maybe basing your life achievements on a game where Mario and Pikachu beat the stuffing out of each other isn't exactly a good look long-term.

In a world where saner minds are being increasingly drowned out by the mobs of social media and social standing, I hesitate when I think of the future of this site and the future of the world in general: his could've happened to someone you know, this could've happened to a former friend, and it can especially happen to the children you rear, but most importantly, had the stars aligned, this could've happened to you. As a slight powerlevel, I have relatives that are genuine autists and have completely failed at life that I've met during family reunions, having been dragged along by their parents who are of the same exact demeanor, being neglected, having nothing but an iPad to accompany them: genuinely, it's disgusting. There are no winners here. Only the slow death throes of the smug prideful few.

 

[moocow]

So something I don’t understand, and correct me if I’m wrong or if this was answered already. It’s common knowledge (at least here in Burgerland) that when you’re accused of something by the cops, you don’t say anything and you ask for a lawyer. Why haven’t any of these spergs, innocent or guilty, just shut up and waited for the accusations to pass?

Because they're idiots and drama queens. The moment someone comes gunning for your career or reputation like this, or the cops get involved, or both, you say nothing and lawyer up. That was drilled into my head in high school and college. How these people missed that memo is beyond me.

 

[Itu aru kamusu tugeza]

Because they're idiots and drama queens. The moment someone comes gunning for your career or reputation like this, or the cops get involved, or both, you say nothing and lawyer up. That was drilled into my head in high school and college. How these people missed that memo is beyond me.

They never got bullied in high school, and come college no one really cares to begin with. These are all the kids that either grouped up in anime club or somewhere else hooked up to a TV; Smash stank existed back then too, and it’s a deterrent.

 

[Violent Ken Apologist]

The problem is that this isn't necessarily a business prospect. It's a tournament that anyone could attend. I don't think any tournament scene is stupid enough to have contracts provided to its attendees. Same goes for sponsors, they can drop a player whenever they want. For teams, it depends on the contract, but it's likely they have something in there that allows them to drop the player without need for reason.

At best, they can probably sue for defamation if they weren't so fuckin' stupid that they said, "Yeah, I totally did this, I'm sorry!"

It feels like there might be some leeway even based on your response and if there was enough money pooled into it that it might be a lot more rewarding than it sounds from here. The response is appreciated though because I find this subject almost endlessly fascinating. And yes, there's no plausible deniability in here given that they admitted to it pretty much upfront.

I think all the people intuitively saying to lawyer up in here also feel it may potentially be more of a vulnerability than the cancel squad is giving credit for

edit: discrimination laws I think?

 

[Stoic of the Lockness]

This kind of hit me hard since I am slightly part of the Smash community. Though, I can't deny that this has put things into perspective into the world as a whole, people on social media usually don't care you are, or what pain you're going through, all that matters is that if you did something they deem obtuse and want to drag you down for it. There is no justice, there is no happy ending for all parties involved, only crushed people willing to crush other people when the moment is right. However, this does not dismiss the confirmed allegations of multiple different parties that have done sexually questionable actions, nor will I defend them since what they have done is disgusting to say the least. All in all, this comes down to virtue signaling, moral fagging, manipulation, and knife twisting from the accusers (and the culture this stems from), in tandem with blatant incompetence, no real way to deal with this due to upbringing/environment they existed in that, causing long term pain and turmoil, and no real guidance given to them evident from the accused. There are no real winners, only suffers of a larger problem at play.

 

[AmbiTron]

Well regardless of who raped who or asked who to put a popsicle in their butt, I think we can all agree Leffen is a virtue signalling faggot with an ego the size of Sky House's rape list.

 

[Disco Inferno]

The more I think about it, the more I feel bad for mew2king
Dude already has a lot of mental problems. Some cunt accused him of sexual assault and he had to reveal incredibly deep and personal trauma to prove his innocence.
Now he'll be mocked relentlessly on social media because some fucking twat decided to go after a mentally and physical disable lad for...no reason?
Fuck her.

 

[Observotron]

Well regardless of who raped who or asked who to put a popsicle in their butt, I think we can all agree Leffen is a virtue signalling faggot with an ego the size of Sky House's rape list.

you mean someone who has been involved with the community for so long wouldn't know about this? Or how he's only speaking out about it once it's in vogue? He's a saint though - a true savior of the smash community

 

[AmbiTron]

you mean someone who has been involved with the community for so long wouldn't know about this? Or how he's only speaking out about it once it's in vogue? He's a saint though - a true savior of the smash community

He's always been a piece of shit, but I was starting to like him a bit more lately. This seals the deal though, he isn't a kid who had a few bad tendencies and managed to overcome them, he's a weasel who will do what it takes to get what he wants. In this instance, it's clout and virtue points which I guess are basically the same thing on modern Twitter.