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The whole "Jesus was a refugee" is usually referring to when they had to flee to Egypt because of Herod killing Hebrew babies to get rid of the messiah. Egypt was still part of the Roman Empire though. Though I wouldn't be surprised if some of these morons were using Bethlehem to say he's a refugee

They definitely mean the Bethlehem thing, they usually compare the innkeeper who "cruelly" put them in the stable (which to a contemporary would have read as "Sorry, all full up on regular rooms, we've got the economy lodge left") to whatever figure they're accusing of unchristianlike behavior. Saying "Herod" to most of these people would just result in blank stares, with some of the more Mexican-flavored ones wondering if you meant the Subway guy they heard Deadpool talking about. Even if they knew who Herod was, they wouldn't want to draw any attention to that part of the story... after all, "cruel tyrant calling for the killing of babies" is kind of not an opening they want to give a largely pro-life opposition.
 
The whole "Jesus was a refugee" is usually referring to when they had to flee to Egypt because of Herod killing Hebrew babies to get rid of the messiah. Egypt was still part of the Roman Empire though. Though I wouldn't be surprised if some of these morons were using Bethlehem to say he's a refugee
Yeah, I've literally never heard a single one of them ever mention Herod. That's way too deep into Christianity for any of them to know anything about. They're skimming along the surface and assuming that because he was shoved into a manger, that means he was a refugee.
 
They're skimming along the surface and assuming that because he was shoved into a manger, that means he was a refugee.

They're not even going that far. This "Jesus was homeless" bullshit started when Jesse Jackson or some other "Reverend" said it in a "sermon" thirty years ago, and it's been repeated in Left-circles every Christmas since. They're just parrots and ventriloquist dummies at this point.
 
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He also wasn't as black as the image ironically makes him look... he'd have looked more like a modern Syrian, someone on the lighter end of complexion for the region.

He also wasn't POOR, his father was a craftsman and he himself was one. That's not poor, that's safely middle class for the time period. In fact, he might have been rich. He and his father were carpenters, in the middle east. Wood products were more valued due to the relative scarcity of wood.

The bible, at large, is also very nationalistic. Kings are given power by grace of God and one can make a fairly strong case for the nation state. Can't recall if Jesus himself is said to have commented on them though.

You've activated my ETHNOGRAPHICS AUTISM CARD.

tl;dr: Jesus could have been black or black-adjacent (unlikely), he also might have been euro-white (again, unlikely) or even a red-head Celt as there was a population next door in Turkey (again, unlikely) and as the silk road was near by, Arab, Persian (also unlikely) and even possibly Azn (extremely unlikely as at the time this would have been very rare and likely attracted some comments; sorry chinamen, gook & AznPacIs is the only races we can nearly definitively rule out for Jesus).
Most likely he would have looked something like modern-day Coptic or jordanian royal family member.
Mel Gibson's Passion of the Christ got a Jesus of roughly correctish, if a little bit on the pale side.
(Jesus as tradesman would have almost assuredly been more tanned on his face.)

Several world events have made the modern Middle East look quite different thant historically.

Israel around the time of Jesus would have had mostly people who looked a bit more like Jordan or central Iraq does today. Due to the influx of post-WWII das juden, modern-day israel is almost certainly more white pale than historically. The Crusades also imparted everything north of Egypt with tons of Latin (read:French) DNA, but modern-day Syria has been ethnographically fucked up since the bronze age as it was home to the primary trading ports on the Mediterranean, so had populations from all over the Med as well as people further east.

Islam made the whole region a few shades darker. Greece in particular got blacked by the Ottomans so most modern greeks, especially in the south, are a bit darker than historical Greeks would have been, especially since they had got repeated infusions of DNA from 'barbarian' peoples from their north.
The Ottomans, hilariously enough, made the general population darker but the higher economic strata whiter - basically the Ottoman Turks realized they were complete shit at both warfare and governance, so enslaved & forcefully abducted caucasian youths to run the empire for them.

Anyway, getting back to Black Jesus....
Jesus was likely not full-strength black, as he didn't seem to have acquired the moniker of "The Nubian", but its possible (if unlikely) he had some octoroon action going on. BUT! Even if ethnically he was pale Anglo Jesus, he would not have looked like that as a trades person and would have had a deep tan.

In any case, as Jesus was said to have at least some genes from a native Jewish royal lineage, we can assume that Jesus wasn't full immigrant stock, and would have had generally semetic features.
 
I think somewhere in the NT, Paul says to obey the rulers of whatever country you're in, because the rulers wouldn't be there and in charge unless God wanted them there. I'm pretty sure these clowns aren't following that when it comes to Orange Man.

Romans 13: 1-5 said:
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

Now I believe there are exceptions to this if the rulers in question are doing wicked, corrupt things that put the livelihoods of people (good, decent people) in jeopardy and risk turning them away from God should they obey bad laws, and there has to be actual proof in the pudding of this corruption in the courts. Usually in those cases, God sends a prophet or someone to act in His place to preach to him and the people and warn them to repent or be destroyed. And more often than not, they refuse and are destroyed and its people scattered (happens to the Jews all the time). Sometimes, the kings are killed by their people as a result (karma), or by someone else. Others like Ninevah would repent and be spared (least for the time being, as Ninevah would fall generations later).

An example of a Moab king being slain by Ehud since the Jews repented and wanted to be delivered; from Judges 3: 12-23:
And the children of Israel did evil again in the sight of the Lord: and the Lord strengthened Eglon the king of Moab against Israel, because they had done evil in the sight of the Lord.

And he gathered unto him the children of Ammon and Amalek, and went and smote Israel, and possessed the city of palm trees.

So the children of Israel served Eglon the king of Moab eighteen years.

But when the children of Israel cried unto the Lord, the Lord raised them up a deliverer, Ehud the son of Gera, a Benjamite, a man lefthanded: and by him the children of Israel sent a present unto Eglon the king of Moab.

But Ehud made him a dagger which had two edges, of a cubit length; and he did gird it under his raiment upon his right thigh.

And he brought the present unto Eglon king of Moab: and Eglon was a very fat man.

And when he had made an end to offer the present, he sent away the people that bare the present.

But he himself turned again from the quarries that were by Gilgal, and said, I have a secret errand unto thee, O king: who said, Keep silence. And all that stood by him went out from him.

And Ehud came unto him; and he was sitting in a summer parlour, which he had for himself alone. And Ehud said, I have a message from God unto thee. And he arose out of his seat.

And Ehud put forth his left hand, and took the dagger from his right thigh, and thrust it into his belly:

And the haft also went in after the blade; and the fat closed upon the blade, so that he could not draw the dagger out of his belly; and the dirt came out.

Then Ehud went forth through the porch, and shut the doors of the parlour upon him, and locked them.
So moral of the story, be a good ruler to your people lest you be removed by force (usually by your subjects). God's hand may or may not play a part.

They're not even going that far. This "Jesus was homeless" bullshit started when Jesse Jackson or some other "Reverend" said it in a "sermon" thirty years ago, and it's been repeated in Left-circles every Christmas since. They're just parrots and ventriloquist dummies at this point.

Closest I can gather that Jesus was ever "homeless" was when he was doing his ministry and traveled the land and stayed in inns or stayed the night at someone's house out of hospitality. I think he still visited his mother during those three years or at least had ways to still care for her as the patriarch even while in another city. Just because Jesus lingered among and taught the homeless doesn't mean he himself was homeless, though.

Given how much those on the left don't care about the homeless, if Jesus was homeless, they would've turned their noses up at him anyway. Actually, maybe by tainting their view of him that way, it just helped to feed into their disdain for the homeless. 🤔
 
Closest I can gather that Jesus was ever "homeless" was when he was doing his ministry and traveled the land and stayed in inns or stayed the night at someone's house out of hospitality. I think he still visited his mother during those three years or at least had ways to still care for her as the patriarch even while in another city. Just because Jesus lingered among and taught the homeless doesn't mean he himself was homeless, though.

In context, when they say 'homeless" they mean the Holy Family in either Bethlehem or Egypt. Which is why it gets brought up at Christmas constantly. As has been noted, they would have been travelers for a specific purpose. Not "homeless". When I take the family car and drive to see my relatives, in no sense whatsoever am I ever "homeless". It's absurd.
 
I've been noticing a deceptive trend in shared content on the left generally. Specifically, they grossly misrepresent a term or a picture that has been passed among right-leaning people.

For example, one of these geniuses breathlessly informed others that the term "Fudd" was becoming popular among gun rights advocates, that they self-identified with that term. No. A "Fudd" is someone who doesn't support gun rights very broadly, usually on the basis they they didn't need no big magazine capacities back in the day. It is a term of scorn, and I have never seen anyone use it to describe themselves.

Another claim was that there was an emerging vogue in pictures of people pointing pistols at their own crotches, that the subjects of these photos were proud of their stupidity and that they enjoyed general esteem. There are such photos, but they're not being passed around admiringly. People who point guns at their crotches are not well regarded, and the main reaction is to hope that those guns go off.

The thing is, the people who find these things almost certainly know that they're lying about the context. They're doing it in the certainty that the people with whom they share them don't know the context and won't look it up. The whole point seems to be to increase solidarity in the ranks, to intensify their smugness (which they did not need), and to denigrate the out-group.

I'm not sure what they hope to accomplish with this crap, but if your worldview requires that you lie to your fellow believers on a regular basis, I suggest you rethink some things.
 
I've been noticing a deceptive trend in shared content on the left generally. Specifically, they grossly misrepresent a term or a picture that has been passed among right-leaning people.

For example, one of these geniuses breathlessly informed others that the term "Fudd" was becoming popular among gun rights advocates, that they self-identified with that term. No. A "Fudd" is someone who doesn't support gun rights very broadly, usually on the basis they they didn't need no big magazine capacities back in the day. It is a term of scorn, and I have never seen anyone use it to describe themselves.

Another claim was that there was an emerging vogue in pictures of people pointing pistols at their own crotches, that the subjects of these photos were proud of their stupidity and that they enjoyed general esteem. There are such photos, but they're not being passed around admiringly. People who point guns at their crotches are not well regarded, and the main reaction is to hope that those guns go off.

The thing is, the people who find these things almost certainly know that they're lying about the context. They're doing it in the certainty that the people with whom they share them don't know the context and won't look it up. The whole point seems to be to increase solidarity in the ranks, to intensify their smugness (which they did not need), and to denigrate the out-group.

I'm not sure what they hope to accomplish with this crap, but if your worldview requires that you lie to your fellow believers on a regular basis, I suggest you rethink some things.
They do the same thing with incel manosphere ideologies. Like no, you fucking morons, incels don't think of themselves as alpha chads, they hate alpha chads for "stealing" all the m'ladies from "nice guys". No, redpill don't think of themselves as "nice guys", they chug protein shakes, work out and pat themselves on the back for being douchebags who can get laid while laughing at "nice guys".
I remember when I was just a lurker there was a Jerry Peet/Lily Orchard (not that the psycho represents anyone) comic where the 1D baddie Gallade called Gardevoir "m'lady" and himself an "alpha".

I used to think they do this because they like wrapping a whole host of opposing veiwpoints they dont like under one banner, but now I am starting to think its just because they are retarded.

If you had told me: "Imagine the face of a guy who would wear a Bors comic as a T-shirt" then I would have imagined this face.
 
The whole "Jesus was a refugee" is usually referring to when they had to flee to Egypt because of Herod killing Hebrew babies to get rid of the messiah. Egypt was still part of the Roman Empire though. Though I wouldn't be surprised if some of these morons were using Bethlehem to say he's a refugee

Egypt was still apart of the Roman Empire though. Does this mean if I go from Pennsylvania to New Jersey I get to claim refugee status?
 
Egypt was still apart of the Roman Empire though. Does this mean if I go from Pennsylvania to New Jersey I get to claim refugee status?
That's what I said in that post. I'm sure eventually you'll see people who got butthurt at the media when they called people fleeing New Orleans after Katrina "refugees" suddenly have no problem when people flee blue areas to red areas after some disaster or fuckups with chastising people for not accepting queer bipoc soy refugees
 
Egypt was still apart of the Roman Empire though. Does this mean if I go from Pennsylvania to New Jersey I get to claim refugee status?

It's a bit of a mess, because Rome had direct-rule provinces, but there were also client states who governed their own affairs and paid a yearly tribute to Rome but were mostly left alone. Judea under Herod the Great was a client state, not a province. Judea became part of a direct-rule Roman province after Herod's sons royally fucked up enough times that the Empire finally dropped the hammer on them and took over. The supposition is that's why the first census under Quirinius was necessary.

I guess in a technical sense you could hide as a "refugee" in Egypt and Herod had no jurisdiction there, but they only go to Egypt in Matthew's Gospel but not in Luke's. Shrug.
 
It's a bit of a mess, because Rome had direct-rule provinces, but there were also client states who governed their own affairs and paid a yearly tribute to Rome but were mostly left alone. Judea under Herod the Great was a client state, not a province. Judea became part of a direct-rule Roman province after Herod's sons royally fucked up enough times that the Empire finally dropped the hammer on them and took over. The supposition is that's why the first census under Quirinius was necessary.

I guess in a technical sense you could hide as a "refugee" in Egypt and Herod had no jurisdiction there, but they only go to Egypt in Matthew's Gospel but not in Luke's. Shrug.

So going from Europe to a state in the US would be more comparable? Refugee status makes more sense in that light.
 
They're parsing it. Is it technically a "hoax" if you're a stupid attention-seeker who accuses your neighbor of letting their dog shit on your lawn, when the "shit" turns out to be a rock that's been there since you bought the house?

Is it a "hoax" if you're just a moron? Or did you have to plan it and you knew it was bullshit from the beginning?
 
They're parsing it. Is it technically a "hoax" if you're a stupid attention-seeker who accuses your neighbor of letting their dog shit on your lawn, when the "shit" turns out to be a rock that's been there since you bought the house?

Is it a "hoax" if you're just a moron? Or did you have to plan it and you knew it was bullshit from the beginning?

To be fair NASCAR did kind of hype him up and whip him into a bit of a paranoia (allegedly, I don't know if he's lying about that talk with the head of NASCAR in his trailer). It technically wasn't him who perpetrated it rather the elite and he just went along with it given the benefits.
 
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